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I guess you could say a new old dog. Used to play quite a bit long ago, but suffered a bad back injury and thought I'd never play again. But, at 45, it seems I have recovered some of the lost use and can at least shoot again. But I long since sold my old Meucci(before they moved into the factory) and now am looking for a cue. I already know what I'm getting to start with, so you wont hear me asking for brand, model, price advise. So here is my question:

What exactly do you look for in the butt section of your cues?

I ask this because so many people change out the shaft for a better one, I'm wondering how important is the inlays, wrap, no wrap, linen, leather, etc, etc. to determine if you buy it. I realize balance plays a major roll and maybe the ability to change the weight, but does the look play an equal or bigger roll in the choice?

Anyway, I really like the forum and so far the folks whose posts I've read so far. I'll apologize now for my future inane posts, you can count on me to go straight for the dry sarcastic punch lines, but I promise that I will never try to insult or overly offend anyone.

Thanks y'all,

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welcome to AZB..

You might want to post this in the For Sale forum, there are many cue dealers there that can help you find what you want
 
Thanks for the reply BPG24, but I'm not really looking for anything as in a cue. I'm just wondering how everyone determines that this butt section is better than the next one. Example: How much difference is the butt of a $250 Joss next to a $900 Joss?
 
BadKarma said:
Thanks for the reply BPG24, but I'm not really looking for anything as in a cue. I'm just wondering how everyone determines that this butt section is better than the next one. Example: How much difference is the butt of a $250 Joss next to a $900 Joss?


A $250 joss won't have points or inlays, but is the same in quality as a more expensive Joss. Given that you are comparing models within the same series.
 
BadKarma said:
Thanks for the reply BPG24, but I'm not really looking for anything as in a cue. I'm just wondering how everyone determines that this butt section is better than the next one. Example: How much difference is the butt of a $250 Joss next to a $900 Joss?
Aside from looks? Most cuemakers use the same construction for their models, in the same series at least, so I would think no difference. My $500 Samsara, I was told by the company, is made the same way as their $5000 cues aside from the inlays. Wrap is what you like the feel of, it's kinda like asking what perscription you should get for your glasses based on a poll of what other people's glasses are like. Inlays, etc.. is on your budget and taste, everywhere I read, they should have no percievable effect on play or solidness of construction.

Edit.. now for the age of the cue, some people say 10 year old Joss has a better feel than new Joss (I know people that complained about a new Joss they bought because it does not have the hit of my 15yr old cue), and the same may be said for other makers. Like wine, no two are exactly alike. So if you say "I am getting a Joss", the other thing you may say is "what year?" more than "what looks?"
 
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I speak for myself and probably alot of other fellow posters when I say that we are looking for the cue that both looks equally as good as it plays. I have tried dozens of different cue makers by buying, selling and trading. I keep the cues that look good and play good to me. Although I am a player of average talent I have a real addiction to the beauty and art of the cue making trade.
Welcome to the forum and beware it too may become and addiction for you as well. Have fun and happy cue hunting.

Kevin
 
Quality of the shaft wood varies... higher end custom cues usually come with better shaft wood than do lower end customs... and that can be a huge factor in how well the cue plays... something to keep in mind.
 
You an buy a cue and change around the weight bolts to get it to weigh what you want, but every time you change it, you also change the balance point of the entire cue. My suggestion is to actually hit with whatever cue you wish to purchase before you buy. One Meucci, Joss, Gina, Mottey, whatever will not hit like the next one, even if they look virtually identical. Buy what feels good in YOUR hands, and don't worry so much about what others think or tell you. If you are lucky, the one that feels good to you will also be pleasing to your eyes, and viola! you have your new cue. Now, fork over the $$$
 
Thank you very much folks, that's pretty much exactly what I was thinking. I was very fortunate a some years ago to have the chance to work in a "pool hall" in Kansas City. A place called "Breakers" in Shawnee KS. Some of you may even have known that place. I also had the chance to play with some "VERY" high end cues that the owner had. So I'm not "star struck" when it comes to cues, I was just curious. Other than my old "M", I have been very happy with the mid to lower end cues, Players and now Fury's. But if my back isn't waiting to ambush me, I just may go looking for my very first custom.

Any way, thanks for the welcome.

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cigardave said:
Quality of the shaft wood varies... higher end custom cues usually come with better shaft wood than do lower end customs... and that can be a huge factor in how well the cue plays... something to keep in mind.

Exactly what I was going to mention. Most cuemakers reserve their finest shaft wood for their higher end cues. That wood costs them a lot more, because of it's higher quality, so they pass along the cost, as well as the quality.
 
JesPiddlin said:
Exactly what I was going to mention. Most cuemakers reserve their finest shaft wood for their higher end cues. That wood costs them a lot more, because of it's higher quality, so they pass along the cost, as well as the quality.

They should only use the best shaft wood available for every cue that they make. That is just good business

Some of them offer the premium shaft wood with any of their cues if you pay a small up charge. No need to pay for a bunch of stuff you don't want on your cue.
 
I don't know

if many will agree with me, but I also think the butt wood matters in the feedback you get from the hit. You definately want a high density wood used for the butt, one of my favorites is Mexican Bacote', which has a real high density level.

I also think the joint plays a part too. I have always preferred a stainless steel joint, but each have their merits.

I am not as picky as some players, and can play with a leather or linen wrap or a wrapless cue. You can get used to any of them over time, but one might strike your fancy a little more than the others.

Balance of the cue is a big thing for me, and one of the reasons I don't play with an aftermarket shaft like a predator 314 shaft, it changes the balance, and I am not comfortable with it.
 
BadKarma said:
Thanks for the reply BPG24, but I'm not really looking for anything as in a cue. I'm just wondering how everyone determines that this butt section is better than the next one. Example: How much difference is the butt of a $250 Joss next to a $900 Joss?

Welcome aboard, it is always very nice to see people with a like interest. This currently is the best forum around, and all of us can learn and contribute no matter what our knowledge is. Many new members stay out of discussions because they feel they have nothing to add, and this simply is not the case. No matter what a persons level of experience maybe, there perception of thought is certainly unique, with that said there really is no such thing as stupid question or idea.

Now I think I can help with your question above: I'm just wondering how everyone determines that this butt section is better than the next one It is kinda like evaluating a Female, when she is in your hands you know if it wright and nothing else matters.;) Remember, touch and feeling are the most important factors when evaluating any cue or a women:p for that matter. No two are alike, and when you find that special one never let go of it.:D

Everything is personal preference, do not let all the hype about this or that cloud your judgment, because no one is a better judge of touch and feeling than you!!!!


Have a great day!!!!:)
 
manwon said:
Welcome aboard, it is always very nice to see people with a like interest. This currently is the best forum around, and all of us can learn and contribute no matter what our knowledge is. Many new members stay out of discussions because they feel they have nothing to add, and this simply is not the case. No matter what a persons level of experience maybe, there perception of thought is certainly unique, with that said there really is no such thing as stupid question or idea.

Now I think I can help with your question above: I'm just wondering how everyone determines that this butt section is better than the next one It is kinda like evaluating a Female, when she is in your hands you know if it wright and nothing else matters.;) Remember, touch and feeling are the most important factors when evaluating any cue or a women:p for that matter. No two are alike, and when you find that special one never let go of it.:D

Everything is personal preference, do not let all the hype about this or that cloud your judgment, because no one is a better judge of touch and feeling than you!!!!


Have a great day!!!!:)

Thats great advise to keep in mind.

btw, when I go looking for a new gf can I call you for bail? j/k
 
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BadKarma said:
Thats great advise to keep in mind.

btw, when I go looking for a new gf can I call you for bail? j/k

No, I do not run the numbers anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek::D

Have a great day!!!!!
 
There's a cue maker in Mo. .... can't remember the town, but he makes one of the best hitting cue I've ever played with and sells them a very reasonable prices. Some of the most experienced and skillful players on the forum, guys like Jay Helfert for instance, rave about his cues.

He will guide you straight. His email is starkeyc5k@earthlink.net

Welcome to the forum and good luck.
 
BPG24 said:
They should only use the best shaft wood available for every cue that they make. That is just good business

Some of them offer the premium shaft wood with any of their cues if you pay a small up charge. No need to pay for a bunch of stuff you don't want on your cue.

I don't recall saying anything about any cuemakers using poor quality shaft wood. In fact, all the cuemakers I know use nothing but top quality Maple for the shafts. BUT, if I'm going to pay a few thou for a pool cue, I better be getting a better quality shaft than one that is made for their standard $400 cue!

As for offering premium shafts for a little more, I am sure most, if not all of them would do that.
 
Forgot to tell you...

Welcome to the forum! It's a fun place. Just watch out for the mud puddles! :D
 
JesPiddlin said:
I don't recall saying anything about any cuemakers using poor quality shaft wood. In fact, all the cuemakers I know use nothing but top quality Maple for the shafts. BUT, if I'm going to pay a few thou for a pool cue, I better be getting a better quality shaft than one that is made for their standard $400 cue!

As for offering premium shafts for a little more, I am sure most, if not all of them would do that.


Why would you recall saying something that you didn't?
I didn't see anyone say that you did...
 
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