New Pricing on UltraSkinLayered Tips

I said the in the previous post,,,,,,,,a question that needed to be asked,,,,,,,,,but I think you took it wrong Tom,,,,,,,,I just meant that it needed to be clarified, by you, just who the price increases are geared towards.

Clearly now, you have stated that AZB Members still get the original pricing,,,that's a good deal, and hopefully now everyone understands.
 
Renegade_56 said:
I said the in the previous post,,,,,,,,a question that needed to be asked,,,,,,,,,but I think you took it wrong Tom,,,,,,,,I just meant that it needed to be clarified, by you, just who the price increases are geared towards.

Clearly now, you have stated that AZB Members still get the original pricing,,,that's a good deal, and hopefully now everyone understands.
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Renegade,

Your right. I posted in a previous thread I am not the best at conveying the written word.

The people in here are like my on line Pool family. I don't stab family in the back and one simple line could have clarified.
 
I'd like to rephrase my question, as it was not answered.

Are you trying to position your tip, specifically from an installed price standpoint that the end consumer pays, to compete directly with the group of:

Moori, Sniper, Kamui

----or----

Tiger, Lepro, Water Buffalo


----or----


Somewhere in the middle.

Thank you.
 
I am not a Franchise, I have no control and want no control over what the installer gets.

My positioning is to give the idea of inexpensive versus the chance of mistaking it as "Cheap".

Wouldn't it be nice for an installer to be able to offer a "Sale" on installed layered tips if he wanted and still make a very good dollar on it?

I apoligise but I get confused sometimes and will use a recent post as an example. Snapshot is having a custom cue made, it will be ready in Feb. 2 Shafts = 2 Tips. If my prices were raised, he would go with Morri.

I made cues for many years, I know a lot of Cue Makers. The cost of the Tip is on the Cuemaker not the person buying the Custom Made Cue. In the 1990s my standard cue sold for $1,000.00 and the most expensive tip on the market was standard. No one ever brought me in tips, if they wanted something out of the norm I bought them if I did not stock them.

My position is it is and always will be a supply and demand plus quality world. In some areas the Cue Repair person is swamped with competition and needs an Ace to survive on quality and lower price. Some areas the Cue Repair person is the Lone Ranger and he gets whatever he wants for my tips based on quality.

If you are looking for someone that tries to dictate MAP you are looking at the wrong guy.

I have a line of one of the greatest tips available today at prices that cannot be beat. Other than my warranty once they leave me, I have no position other than quality.
 
So as of your 09-30-2012 posting 10 Ultraskin tips are now 32.00? Still amazing value for what you are getting. Thanks Tom
 
TomHay said:
I am not a Franchise, I have no control and want no control over what the installer gets.

My positioning is to give the idea of inexpensive versus the chance of mistaking it as "Cheap".

Wouldn't it be nice for an installer to be able to offer a "Sale" on installed layered tips if he wanted and still make a very good dollar on it?

I apoligise but I get confused sometimes and will use a recent post as an example. Snapshot is having a custom cue made, it will be ready in Feb. 2 Shafts = 2 Tips. If my prices were raised, he would go with Morri.

I made cues for many years, I know a lot of Cue Makers. The cost of the Tip is on the Cuemaker not the person buying the Custom Made Cue. In the 1990s my standard cue sold for $1,000.00 and the most expensive tip on the market was standard. No one ever brought me in tips, if they wanted something out of the norm I bought them if I did not stock them.

My position is it is and always will be a supply and demand plus quality world. In some areas the Cue Repair person is swamped with competition and needs an Ace to survive on quality and lower price. Some areas the Cue Repair person is the Lone Ranger and he gets whatever he wants for my tips based on quality.

If you are looking for someone that tries to dictate MAP you are looking at the wrong guy.

I have a line of one of the greatest tips available today at prices that cannot be beat. Other than my warranty once they leave me, I have no position other than quality.
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Thanks for the explanation. I understand your position, and respect it. If I was still doing repairs, and your tips held up (I'm not saying they don't, but I have never tried one), I'd quit offering any single layered tips, and offer your tip at the low end in their place. I looked for quite a while for a layered tip I could buy for $2 to $3, so that I could charge in the low teens installed. I never found one that did not delaminate, in that price range.

Funny, I bought 100 super pros about 5 years ago. I think they were 30 or 50 cents a piece. I had half of them come back as delaminations. I cant remember a single other brand ever coming back. Worst tip I ever installed! End rant, lol.
 
iusedtoberich said:
Thanks for the explanation. I understand your position, and respect it. If I was still doing repairs, and your tips held up (I'm not saying they don't, but I have never tried one), I'd quit offering any single layered tips, and offer your tip at the low end in their place. I looked for quite a while for a layered tip I could buy for $2 to $3, so that I could charge in the low teens installed. I never found one that did not delaminate, in that price range.

Funny, I bought 100 super pros about 5 years ago. I think they were 30 or 50 cents a piece. I had half of them come back as delaminations. I cant remember a single other brand ever coming back. Worst tip I ever installed! End rant, lol.
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JustaB:

I understand just what you are saying. I could have used a cheaper process and met those prices but the results would be the same as you describe. This is a long term mission for me as I plan to give the company to my Niece and Nephew when I pass away. Shame like any other industry people will make cheap for quick sales rather than inexpencive for long term.
 
TomHay said:
I started the UltraSkinLayered Cue Tips to give the Cue Maker and especialy the Cue Repair person a High Quality tip at a very resonable price.

As of today you will find my Ebay prices @ $19.00 a Tip.

My Web Site will soon be reflecting the same type changes on prices.

This however does not effect the prices of the Cue Repair people and Cue Makers, They will recieve the usual prices as always.

I had to start with a broader market to get the word out and rankings on google search. This has been accomplished.

Your right to get what the market will bare is intact and now stronger as unless you are an AZB member the tip prices are $19.00. Membership does have its privlages.

Thanks
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Thanks so much Tom! Can't wait to hear the review on the HH tips. Thanks again!
Mikey
 
I don't think it benefits any installer to put on a tip supplied by a customer, in fact I think it is foolish. If the supplied tip has any issues whatsoever, then YOU are the one who is going to look bad.

My gross profit with a Kamui is about 20 bucks. Subtract: Pickup, drop off, materials, a trip to the ER when I glue myself to my chuck....ect. About 15 bucks when it is said and done. It, of course, works better when I have several but many times I simply get one at a time.

Whenever someone asks if they can supply their own tip I here one thing in my head. "Can I possibly save 3 dollars on Ebay, then get him to drop his install price a bit".

I seldom get returns and if I do(they don't like the tip for whatever reason) I change it for the price of the tip. That is what I will do for my customer who isn't looking for some bargain. I typically take out the dents and condition the shaft as well for the same price.

Anyway...I gotta go, but that is my two cents
 
pescadoman said:
a trip to the ER when I glue myself to my chuck....ect.
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That's why I have a bottle of debonder within reach...I just stuck myself to the ca bottle the other day and the top of my headstock all in one shot,,,
Dave
 
Randy, sounds pretty dern close to how I do things.
The gluing of oneself to other objects as well.

I sold a Moori to a guy who told me that he installs his own tips. The night I gave it to him at the hall, he turned around and gave it to the other repairman in town, right in front of me.

About a week later, I received a call from him asking me if that was a M or a H. I told him it was a M as that is the only Moori I carry. He told me that it played like a hard.

I told him there was nothing I could do about it as I wasn't the person that installed the tip. I told him that he should bring the shaft over and I would cut the tip off and install a new one in front of him. He didn't take me up on the offer as I suspected that he wanted me to hand over another tip so it would get installed on a spare shaft.

And then the rumor started that I sell knock off tips.

So, that was the first and last time that I will sell someone a tip without an install included.

I have only installed one customer supplied tip and that was because he was a good guy. Another thing that I won't make a habit of doing.
 
Although I have slowed down in the last couple of years as I no longer pick up repair work from pool rooms any longer, I still put on probably 800 tips a year, down from around 2500.


I charge 10.00 to install all one piece tips, other than milk duds. One piece tips cost around .25 each, hence forth, the 10.00 is all labor. Now I make a whole lot more than 10.00 when I install layered tips as I buy at wholesale and sell at retail. I guarantee all of my repair work and custom builds. I can understand why a client want's to save a few sheckles in this economy so if he get's off his ass and orders some exotic tips it doesn't bother me at all though it may cost me an extra 20.00 profit. If a man brings me in a tip that he would like installed I will gladly install it for 10.00 and guarantee that it stays on. It only takes around 2 or 3 minutes to install a tip so 10.00 is plenty of profit. I do let the customer know that since I am charging the cost of a low cost tip then that is what I will re-install should his expensive substitute comes off and can't be found.

All of you people who refuse to install tips other than your own please send those customers to me. 10.00 dollars for 3 minutes equals a rate of 200.00 an hour. That definitely is better than working at Mcdonalds.

Dick
 
rhncue said:
Although I have slowed down in the last couple of years as I no longer pick up repair work from pool rooms any longer, I still put on probably 800 tips a year, down from around 2500.


I charge 10.00 to install all one piece tips, other than milk duds. One piece tips cost around .25 each, hence forth, the 10.00 is all labor. Now I make a whole lot more than 10.00 when I install layered tips as I buy at wholesale and sell at retail. I guarantee all of my repair work and custom builds. I can understand why a client want's to save a few sheckles in this economy so if he get's off his ass and orders some exotic tips it doesn't bother me at all though it may cost me an extra 20.00 profit. If a man brings me in a tip that he would like installed I will gladly install it for 10.00 and guarantee that it stays on. It only takes around 2 or 3 minutes to install a tip so 10.00 is plenty of profit. I do let the customer know that since I am charging the cost of a low cost tip then that is what I will re-install should his expensive substitute comes off and can't be found.

All of you people who refuse to install tips other than your own please send those customers to me. 10.00 dollars for 3 minutes equals a rate of 200.00 an hour. That definitely is better than working at Mcdonalds.

Dick
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If you want 800 people visiting your shop a year, that's is certainly up to you.

However, I've got 100.00 that says you have zero chance of doing 20 tips in one hour.
 
I actually like it when people bring their own tips. Just like Dick, I charge them $10 to install them, and it only takes a few minutes. They almost always need something else eventually, and it's a good way to keep customers happy.

Also, it relieves me of any responsibility for the quality of the tip. I have always guaranteed complete satisfaction with everything I do, including tips. If I put on a tip someone says they dislike, or it delaminates, or whatever, they get a new one for free, or for cost. If they bring their own, all I warrant is that it wont come off!
 
Order a few Tips from Tom.

Great Quality, great Price for
Tip Installer and Cue Maker.

Tom is one of the best seller
i know, ....

Every Time again and many
thanks to Tom from Germany.

Good Business

greetings Sebastian


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Sheldon said:
I actually like it when people bring their own tips. Just like Dick, I charge them $10 to install them, and it only takes a few minutes. They almost always need something else eventually, and it's a good way to keep customers happy.

Also, it relieves me of any responsibility for the quality of the tip. I have always guaranteed complete satisfaction with everything I do, including tips. If I put on a tip someone says they dislike, or it delaminates, or whatever, they get a new one for free, or for cost. If they bring their own, all I warrant is that it wont come off!
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I suppose you and Dick are correct. I am somewhat burned out on people at the moment.

Working 2 months straight on a boat without any real time off does that to me.....

Captain Randy Kramer
F/V Legend...
Seaforth Sportfishing
San Diego Ca,
 
pescadoman said:
I suppose you and Dick are correct. I am somewhat burned out on people at the moment.

Working 2 months straight on a boat without any real time off does that to me.....

Captain Randy Kramer
F/V Legend...
Seaforth Sportfishing
San Diego Ca,
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Not nearly as exciting as turning wood ?
 
I have found If I paid people to put on tips for them it would save me money VS using that same time to buy wood.
 
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