New valley tables at APA Nationals

People will have to decide if the features offered on the Diamond warrant spending the extra money. While i think the Diamond is better table , it is how much better? , and to the person who has a business and is a buyer that will be a factor.

The Diamond will never be replace with a newer model of the Diamond "Smart Table"...as Diamond is going to be producing the same table today....20yrs from now, because believe it or not...the Diamond "Smart Table" is about a 100 year lifespan table, as there's nothing on the tables that can't be replaced if worn out...and still look new, can't say THAT about a Valley;)

To the knowledgeable tavern owner it might weigh in ,in the case of the bar owner who just wants another revenue stream it might not . Have to give Valley a little credit , they are trying to make improvements , don't see this from the others in the market .
Valley has added some new paint so-to-speak, but they haven't addressed the issues of frame design, rail design, or cue balls rolling off, so what's really new about a Valley...the pocket castings?...Wow:rolleyes:

Does Diamond make a home version of the smart tables minus the coin-op features at a reduced cost?

Yes, it's called the "ProAm" non-coin version of the "Smart Table"...same table in every way....just no coin chute.

Glen
 
IMO Valley needed to redesign its barbox to bring it up to a standard of todays competitive play.Lowering those corner brackets is a big one.IT looks like they also made the top of the pocket flush or nearly flush.If they just lowered everything without redesigning or at least lowering the pockets and ball returns to match this could be the problem causing balls to return to the felt.This is purely speculation though.Maybe the tables at the tourney are a prototype or re engineered to test a new design?Also speculation.Can't wait to find out the rest of the story.

Surely Valley realizes that there is room to improve their product enough that it is not vastly inferior to a Diamond Smart but still less expensive therefore keeping it share of the bar table market.
 
Valley has added some new paint so-to-speak, but they haven't addressed the issues of frame design, rail design, or cue balls rolling off, so what's really new about a Valley...the pocket castings?...Wow:rolleyes:
Glen
Nothing that new about the castings.
Remember early/older Valley barboxes had flush pocket castings.:rolleyes:
I guess they are moving backwards.:scratchhead:
 
Wandering around the web I found that the Valley weighs 670 lb.

I found nothing on the Diamond site giving the weight of their tables. They used to have this information:confused::confused::confused:


Theory
The lighter the table, the worse the table.
 
Wandering around the web I found that the Valley weighs 670 lb.

I found nothing on the Diamond site giving the weight of their tables. They used to have this information:confused::confused::confused:


Theory
The lighter the table, the worse the table.

I'd like to know the weight of the 7' Diamond (Smart Table) compared to the 670 lbs. of a Valley. I would think the extra amount of slate alone would make it weight 100 lbs. more than a Valley. Johnnyt
 
I heard that the new Valley tables have a few more bolts in the rails, rather than just 3 like the old ones. That was supposed to help the dead rail problem a lot of valleys have. This isn't the first time this issue has popped up about balls being spit back out on these new tables, it was happening at VNEA as well from what I was told.
 
How are the balls coming back out? Are they spinning around in the pocket and coming out, bouncing back on the table when thethey hit back of pocket hard, or are they hitting the top of the pocket because it's too low since they made the change? I have the old stye Valley with the standard pocket liners and they NEVER spit back out unless you hit the the rail going in too hard (Ridgebacks). Johnnyt
 
Wandering around the web I found that the Valley weighs 670 lb.

I found nothing on the Diamond site giving the weight of their tables. They used to have this information:confused::confused::confused:


Theory
The lighter the table, the worse the table.

The Diamond 7ft is 800lbs.:grin:
 
Play TAP!

TAP uses Diamonds for all of their major tournaments!!!:):grin-square::grin:
 
I've been down at the Riviera for the past week watching my friends in the 9 ball tournament and now in the 8 ball tourney. I didn't notice in the mini mania room, but the main tournament room has the new redesigned valley barboxes. The corner castings are inset flush with the rail as well as the pocket liner being flush. I have watched a total of about ten matches and the new tables are spitting balls back up onto the table after they go in the pocket...What a ***** !!! your opponent leaves you tough but you make a great shot to escape the trap only to have the ball hit the bottom of the pocket and bounce back up on the table!!! I have seen it 5 or 6 times already and hear the screams from surrounding tables where they were experiencing it also. Maybe a few kinks still to be worked out on the new Valley. Nice looking table though!!


Is Frank 'dabarbr' one of your friends? I was hoping for an update on his/his teams progress this week. If anyone could adjust to the equipment issues-I think Frank and his crew could.

Thanks for any update
 
Years ago while working at Accenture, I learned one of the most vital and lengthy areas in the development of new software or technology was the testing stage. Not enough can be said about the importance of the testing stage.
 
Valley/Diamond

Not even close buddy. First of all, for the cabinets...there's a pretty big difference in the price of 3/4" particle board vs 1 1/2" thick plywood. There's also a huge difference between the cost of laminate and Dyamond wood on the surface of the rails. Then, the cost of the electronics to use a red circle cue ball vs magnetic ball....huge reduction of the cost of a magnet. Hmmmm...what else, OH...I know...how about 3/4" undersized slate cost vs 1" over-sized. Then how about the labor to finish the rails vs snapping together a kit table like a Valley.

You probably think a Cooper Mini and a Mercedes SL65 should cost about the same too.....because after all.....they both have 4 tires each...right?:rolleyes:

Glen

PS, forgot to mention the fact that a Diamond has a 26 point leveling system, whereas a Valley only levels by the 4 legs!

PS, forgot to mention that the Diamond tables have a leather bi-level pocket design....designed to keep them nasty balls from jumping back up on the table....after they've been pocketed!



SOLD!!!!!!!

After reading your post Glen, I'm switching from my beloved Valley tables to Diamond tables!:)


David Harcrow
 
Whats his team name?

Is Frank 'dabarbr' one of your friends? I was hoping for an update on his/his teams progress this week. If anyone could adjust to the equipment issues-I think Frank and his crew could.

Thanks for any update

I have yet to meet Frank, but if you know his team name I'll post an update later tonight. I'm going down again tonight at 7 to watch more matches. On the APA webste they have all the teams listed by state and city so you might be able to figure out what the team name is. unless he's from an area that sent many teams. If you find out tonight call me I'll update you from the Riviera. Gordon 425-275-8255

http://www.poolplayers.com/ntc/2010ntc/stats/open0001.HTM
 
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I have yet to meet Frank, but if you know his team name I'll post an update later tonight. I'm going down again tonight at 7 to watch more matches. On the APA webste they have all the teams listed by state and city so you might be able to figure out what the team name is. unless he's from an area that sent many teams. If you find out tonight call me I'll update you from the Riviera. Gordon 425-275-8255

http://www.poolplayers.com/ntc/2010ntc/stats/open0001.HTM
They use to call themselves "The Three Amigos"
 
I was out there in May, the balls were spitting out of the pockets, mostly sides, some in the corners, I believe one problem is that the ball return in the pocket is too shallow, or it seams higher/closer to the pocket than the old valley's. This cost Jessica Friederes alot of games in the ACS tournament, She won the womens masters 8ball in the valley, but had probly 3 just in the acs womens 8ball. I played on the valleys in a few sets, YES I like the corners being flush, but the pockets are bigger or cut different than older valleys, I know valleys have always had big pockets, but these are huge. Good for a b or c player but at the level some play at these would be a joke X 5. For example: If I could get the 7 out from SVB, Then he would only give me the 9 on the new valley's. That's how easy they play. I'm hoping for improvements, but valleys been saying they were also going to improve there "new" cue balls and that's like 5-6 years ago. So I wont hold my breath. Atleast the "new" cue balls don't roll of like the old ones did. But I showed some one I can draw a cue ball 9-10 feet with the valley cue ball, and 14 feet with a red circle, reason being the valleys have a soft outside and can easily rub off or dent and Red circles are the same weight as the balls aswell.

I like both valley and diamonds, at my place I have a Valley because that's what is played on in tournaments around here, I own 3 and there cheap. But my 9fter will be a diamond w/ 4.25in pockets, being a 1 pocket lover any thing else would be uncivilized.
 
Years ago while working at Accenture, I learned one of the most vital and lengthy areas in the development of new software or technology was the testing stage. Not enough can be said about the importance of the testing stage.

Absolutely correct! And something I learned while going through DOD Acquisition Training is that when a project is over budget, or behind schedule, the first thing that is cut is testing. Management figures it is better to just work the problems out in the field. In the DOD it can cost lives, in business it costs money.
 
SOLD!!!!!!!

After reading your post Glen, I'm switching from my beloved Valley tables to Diamond tables!:)


David Harcrow

Let me know what I can do to help you make that happen buddy:grin:

Glen

PS. Why not trade in the Valleys on 7ft Diamonds while you're at it?
 
I was out there in May, the balls were spitting out of the pockets, mostly sides, some in the corners, I believe one problem is that the ball return in the pocket is too shallow, or it seams higher/closer to the pocket than the old valley's. This cost Jessica Friederes alot of games in the ACS tournament, She won the womens masters 8ball in the valley, but had probly 3 just in the acs womens 8ball. I played on the valleys in a few sets, YES I like the corners being flush, but the pockets are bigger or cut different than older valleys, I know valleys have always had big pockets, but these are huge. Good for a b or c player but at the level some play at these would be a joke X 5. For example: If I could get the 7 out from SVB, Then he would only give me the 9 on the new valley's. That's how easy they play. I'm hoping for improvements, but valleys been saying they were also going to improve there "new" cue balls and that's like 5-6 years ago. So I wont hold my breath. Atleast the "new" cue balls don't roll of like the old ones did. But I showed some one I can draw a cue ball 9-10 feet with the valley cue ball, and 14 feet with a red circle, reason being the valleys have a soft outside and can easily rub off or dent and Red circles are the same weight as the balls aswell.

I like both valley and diamonds, at my place I have a Valley because that's what is played on in tournaments around here, I own 3 and there cheap. But my 9fter will be a diamond w/ 4.25in pockets, being a 1 pocket lover any thing else would be uncivilized.

When do you want me to show up with that 9ft Diamond?:grin:
 
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