Well that does prove one thing. That some people will believe nearly anything just cause they read it on the internet!Varney Cues said:I would like to personally thank everyone for keeping this thread bumped to the top. I have received 3 new orders today alone for new G10 pin cues.All three directly from reading this thread & seeing the pics.
New Varney with blk G10 Radial
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TellsItLikeItIs said:
How many people who buy cues from the bigger names like South West, Hercek, Szamboti, James White, Mottey, Scruggs, etc., are in this Varney posse? I'm just curious. I have cues by big names, and by small names, but no Varney. My choices were not made purely because of the way a particular cue hits. I read Kevin's posts here, some explaining features of his cues. I also read what his supporters post and that gives me an idea of the type of person who buys a Varney, and their intellect and ability to make decisioins. I also read what other cuemakers have to say about cues, and what their supporters post. Some things I believe, some sound like pure rubbish. These things effect how I choose who to buy from.
Bishop said:
But don't forget...he has two and a half years of "knowledge" and anybody with any less number of posts is STOOPID.
If you can't be a bully on the playground, be a bully on the Internet.
Has nothing to do with tenure or post count, other than the fact that you've not been here long enough to partake in the history... No loss, though. You're probably better off untainted.the9ballroller said:
Yet another example as to why someone cannot state their opinion without being attacked. It's quite obvious that you cannot comprehend written dialogue and insterting context on your own, even in its most simplistic nature, or you're just too blind for the cause.
I'm curious - how was he being a bully? He didn't insult anyone. Ignorance is not a negative thing, just a lack of knowledge in certain areas, which can easily be surmised by your negative reply to pharoah's last post.
Either way, drink up, boys!!
The thing is Roscoe that he doesn't just intelligently interject his opinion. He's made it his personal goal in life to talk down on anything and everything Varney related. He never lets up, and its never productive critizism, his comments bring absolutely nothing to the table.
I have no idea why its so important for him to act the way he does evertime the name Varney is mentioned. Did Varney kick his dog, sleep with his mother, pee in his gas tank.......
Good opinions and bad opinions should be welcome but he's clearly not bringing anything to the table as far as good posting goes. I'm sure you can tell the difference.
I have no idea why its so important for him to act the way he does evertime the name Varney is mentioned. Did Varney kick his dog, sleep with his mother, pee in his gas tank.......
Good opinions and bad opinions should be welcome but he's clearly not bringing anything to the table as far as good posting goes. I'm sure you can tell the difference.
pharaoh68
Banned
the9ballroller said:
You don't have to have 2 years of membership or 2,000 posts under your belt. But you do need to have a degree of common sense which you seem to be lacking here.
What I am saying is that my opinion is based on evidence presented here before me - photographs. The photographs show a cue that I find to be of a mediocre design. It is not bad. It is not great. Its a plain jane with some bland ringwork. And the figure of the woods is again - average. Now, how do I come to this conclusion?! Not because I've been a member here for 2+ years. Not because I have over 2,000 posts. Not because I have max. reputation. Because I have eyes and the ability to formulate my own opinions. Because I have played with MANY cues by many different makers, some of whom are considered part of the elite in the industry.
Part of what I am saying here is that perhaps so many rave over Kevin Varney's cues (and are so quick to attack me and my opinions of them) because they have not played with a South West, a Tascarella, a Searing, a Mottey, etc. Well, I have. And the designs coming from these shops are far cleaner, far more creative, and are known by many connoisseurs
as being among the best playing cues in the world. Perhaps KV does fit that bill. Who knows??? All I know is that the Varney I played with was good, but it was no South West. Now, have many of you Varney loyalists hit with a Kersenbrock? A Gina? Do you know how good these cues play? And if so, how does your Varney stack up???
This is my point. Kevin has touted his cues on this site as the best around
for quite some time. He has claimed that pros all over use his cues and use his services (and a bone of contention was raised here - but that's another story). He has sold many cues on here for prices that I think were a tad too high. So, I question all of this (pricing, his claims, and especially his arrogance, etc.) and I question it based on the factors I've listed above. Compared to other makers in the industry, does Kevin stack up? In my opinion, no. Not yet. So I share my opinion with all of you and I'm an ass hole for it. That's ok. Believe me. I've been the ass hole before and I will be again. It doesn't bother me. What does bother me is that all of you are so quick to assume that I'm just some idiot who has no real basis for making an assessment of these cues. Well I've played with cues by some of the best in the game. What about you?
pharaoh68
Banned
Bishop said:
Really?!?! You must have missed the thread that I myself started in which I stated that I had finally played with a Varney cue and, despite my bias, I actually found it to play ok. Missed that one didn't ya? Maybe do a little research before you go making blanket statements like this.
....and yes. Kevin kicked my dog. And the poor little guy only has three legs to begin with.
I LOVE PUNCHY......I JUST THOUGHT SINCE THE KOOLAID GUY WAS HERE THAT HE'D LIKE SOME COMPANY
I read the thread and was fine with it. You didn't see me jumping on you about that now did you.pharaoh68 said:
Its that fact that you don't come in with something productive to say 98% of the time.......so I guess I stand corrected. You sir had one nice stroke of intelligence and put a good productive thought provoking thread out that one time. Give yourself a pat on the back and let that shining moment be your justification for the rest of the flamming worthless garbage you post on nearly a daily basis
.Aren't you the same guy that questioned Eydie's character over the whole stolen cue fiasco? You just don't make any sense....not 100% of the time because remember you did have that one productive thread to your name.
Sorry about your dog. You ought to think of having Varney make him/her a nice moderately figured peg leg with average ringwork. Remember it'll walk real nice.
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pharaoh68 said:
He's telling the truth. He hit 3 or 4 balls with Brooklynjays used Varney sneaky that had a very used, very early TigerX shaft on it. So thats his sole Varney experience he's using to make his expert opinion. Hey at least he said it played "OK"...I hardly think that cue is worthy of comparision to some of the all time greats like SW & etc. But hey...its nice to be mentioned in the same breath with the greats...who knows...maybe one day if I work real hard and perfect my trade, I'll be worthy of his praise.
Getting praise by him most likely would hurt sales.
I remember now about the shaft not being a Varney, that review might have bothered me as well. No worries because with all my knowledge and rep points I have its safe to say what kind of shaft is on a cue would never affect the hit and playability.
I remember now about the shaft not being a Varney, that review might have bothered me as well. No worries because with all my knowledge and rep points I have its safe to say what kind of shaft is on a cue would never affect the hit and playability.
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i don't know exactly where i stand as far as respect on this forum (or if i'm even known of) but i have a varney on order and i intend to write a review of my cue after i get it. i'm what i would call impartial i dont own a varney but i do like the look of the cues he's posted on here. maybe it'll stop some of these long threads about how good or terrable mr. varney's cues are
i hope so at least
i hope so at least
Never pass up a good opportunity to STFU, this includes you oh great wise Roscoe P. Coltrain.
Pharaoh's comment was not wanted nor needed. It's sole purpose was to "stir the pot". If you can't see that, then you need to go back to the school for the "Mentally Challenged" as they like to be called now. Otherwise you and Mr. Pharaoh can go back to high fiving and patting each other on the rump.
Pharaoh's comment was not wanted nor needed. It's sole purpose was to "stir the pot". If you can't see that, then you need to go back to the school for the "Mentally Challenged" as they like to be called now. Otherwise you and Mr. Pharaoh can go back to high fiving and patting each other on the rump.
pharaoh68
Banned
Bishop said:
First off, yes. I am the guy that questioned ydie's integrity and rightly so. She started a thread asking for the help of AZers and offered a reward. Then, when it was time for the reward to be claimed and the whole fiasco went downhill really quickly, Eydie threw up her hands and said "I'm having no part of this!!! I just posted a message for someone else!"
I think that's a bit different than this situation in which someone posted a cue in the 'CUE GALLERY' section. Now, the point of a gallery is to showcase people's work, and for what purpose?!?! For others to come and view and form their own opinions of said work. That was what I did here. And you as well as a whole slew of others objected to it.
Now, here's a question for you Bishop, seeing as how you seem to be the judge of what is acceptible and unacceptible behavior on these forums:
Why is it that when I offer my opinion of a cue, I am considered a pr!ck/a$$ hole/d!ck/whatever else you want to call me? Why is it that I'm the bad guy because I keep giving Kevin a hard time yet none of you seem to say ONE WORD when Kevin's ego unleashes and he claims that his cues are 'the best playing cues on the planet'. Not a single on of you says a damn thing when Kevin makes the claim that he does all the work for certain pro players and then that very pro steps forward and says 'Huh?!?! Really?!?!'.
No, you guys don't do that. You don't attack Kevin for his ways. You just jump down my throat for sharing my honest opinions with you. Make no mistake about it Bishop. I'm not the only one here whose actions reflect a bias. Your loyalty to Kevin is admirable but don't think for one second that you can even be considered a voice of reason in a debate like this. Because you turn a blind eye to Kevin and his hubris then look at someone like me and claim that I'm some sort of arrogant S.O.B.
And thanks for the kind words on my dog. 'He' is actually a 'she'. She's a female dog, also known as a b!tch. Ironically, her name is Bishop too.
I suggest you heed your own advice. Your initial comment was not warranted either, so does that inturn make you a hypocrite?the9ballroller said:
For the record, I don't know Pharaoh... never met him. There is no "rump patting" going on here.... What I can tell you is that his post was NOT intended solely to stir the pot, it has quite same sentiments I have as well. I believe it is quite telling of your experience as well. Those who usually get butthurt the quickest are those with the least knowledge. It's ok. You gotta start somewhere, right?
As for "going back to school", I'm quite sure I can stump you as far as education is concerned....
pharaoh68
Banned
the9ballroller said:
Maybe you didn't want or need my opinion. But my opinions aren't posted to meet your approval. I could care less whether or not you like or even care to read what I have to say. Here's an idea genious: You don;t like my posts? You don;t care for my opinions? Skip over my posts when you see my name. Just move along.
If this thread has done anything for me, it has illustrated that there are certain individuals whom I may never see eye to eye with on ANYTHING (Bishop) and others who clearly not smart enough to understand that they themselves are hypocritical (you). You sit there and claims that my comments are unwanted and unneeded. Why? Because they were negative? Well I for one am sick and tired of hearing people like yourself sing the praises of something that has such apparant flaws. So before you go claiming that Varneys are awesome and Kevin rocks, maybe you should stop and think about how myself and several others (believe me! There are others!) could give a damn what you think.
See how it works, bud?! The door swings in both directions. You don't care for what I have to say and I don't care for what you have to say. So why don't we just agree to disagree, ignore each other from this point forward, and move on.
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