New Viking Amateur Qualification Rules

geno

geno

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I just got this email. I like the changes.


New Viking 'Amateur Qualification Rules - Who Can and Can't Play

As of January 1st, 2010 the Viking Cue Amateur 9-Ball Tour has restructured the eligibility/disqualification rules for all players wishing to participate in the events. The new rules structure has been changed to reflect our increase of events, regions and prize monies added to the amateur division of the Viking Tours.

Re: Disqualifications

You Can Not Play in the Viking Cue Amateur 9-Ball Tour events if in the prior 3 years:

1. You have ever won any Open Regional Tour event with 32 or more players in the event.
2. You have placed in 2nd or 3rd place of any $10,000 added tournament.
3. You have 8 or more 2nd or 3rd place finishes in open regional tour events with 32 or more players in the event.
4. You have won 6 or more Amateur events on any other Amateur tours (combined) and not including the Viking Cue Amateur 9-Ball Tour.
5. You have ever been considered a male professional player.
6. You have ever been in the top 8 of the WPBA or are currently in the top 32 of the WP BA.
7. If you have ever won any National title in either Amateur or Handicapped play in any tournaments or leagues.
8. You are a known Road Player or Top Player in your region.

If you fall into any of the above categories the Viking Cue "Open" or "Amateur-Advanced" 9-Ball Tour is the division for you. Additionally, who may and who may not play in the Amateur division is at the sole discretion of the director at the event or the Viking Cue 9-Ball Tour office staff. If you have any questions regarding your eligibility please email the Viking Cue Amateur 9-Ball Tour at vikingtour2@yahoo.com at least 14 days prior to the event you wish to compete in. If you do not fall into any of the above categories the Viking Cue Amateur 9-Ball Tour is ticket to success.

Re: Current Member Disqualifications

Current Viking Cue Amateur 9-Ball Tour players will be disqualified from participation in Viking Cue Amateur 9-Ball Tour events if at anytime they meet any of the any of the above stated rules for disqualifications. At that time your current Viking Cue Amateur 9-Ball Tour card your status will be changed to an Open tour card for the remainder of your tour card time period.


Viking Cue Amateur 9-Ball Tour members will be eligible to participate in the Amateur division until:

1. You win 8 Viking Cue Amateur 9-Ball Tour events.
2. You win 4, $2,000 added or more Viking Cue Amateur 9-Ball Tour events
3. You place in the top 4 places of Viking Cue Amateur 9-Ball Tour events 16 times.


All players that have not met the disqualification rules for the Viking Cue Amateur 9-Ball Tour are welcome to participate in our Amateur division events.


About the Viking Tours: The Viking Cue 9-Ball Tour was founded in 1994 as an Ohio based tour. Over the years it has grown significantly to include many regions of the US. It is currently the largest and longest running Open regional billiards tour in the USA. The Viking Tours consist of four separate tours: The Viking Cue Open, Amateur Only, Amateur-Advanced and the Viking Cue - Olhausen Billiards Classic 9-Ball Tours. Combined, the tours offer approximately 141 tournament events each tour season for players from beginning to professionals to compete in. Player and business associate members are offered many outstanding benefits that separate the Viking Tours from any other tour in the USA. These benefits include: Health-care insurance, Free entry fees for Ladies and Junior players, Discounts to Military Personnel, Senior Citizens and Pool League Players.

For more information about sponsoring, participating in or hosting Viking Tour events contact the tour at vikingtour2@yahoo.com or call 1-800-200-POOL .
Visit the Viking Tours web page at: http://www.viking9balltour.com
 
I think it's great to have rules like these and have them out there for all to see. It draws a nice line in the sand and leaves no doubt as to who can play and for how long.... Say what you want about Mike, like him or not, but the guy has always been innovative in the tournament arena and keeps coming with ways to improve it!

IIRC, the Janis thing went off the rails primarily due to amateur qualifications between his and another competing tour. Well, I haven't seen the other tour lay out specific rules about ameteur status. Mike is a tournament directors tournament director and has been doing it for nearly 20 years. Show me anyone else that has done it any better than Janis, for even half as long......

It's high time that Mike is welcomed back to AZB and is once again able to contribute here!

Thanks for the post.....
 
The Saw said:
I think it's great to have rules like these and have them out there for all to see. It draws a nice line in the sand and leaves no doubt as to who can play and for how long.... Say what you want about Mike, like him or not, but the guy has always been innovative in the tournament arena and keeps coming with ways to improve it!

IIRC, the Janis thing went off the rails primarily due to amateur qualifications between his and another competing tour. Well, I haven't seen the other tour lay out specific rules about ameteur status. Mike is a tournament directors tournament director and has been doing it for nearly 20 years. Show me anyone else that has done it any better than Janis, for even half as long......

It's high time that Mike is welcomed back to AZB and is once again able to contribute here!

Thanks for the post.....
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saw you are lucky they let you post
 
well said

The Saw said:
I think it's great to have rules like these and have them out there for all to see. It draws a nice line in the sand and leaves no doubt as to who can play and for how long.... Say what you want about Mike, like him or not, but the guy has always been innovative in the tournament arena and keeps coming with ways to improve it!

IIRC, the Janis thing went off the rails primarily due to amateur qualifications between his and another competing tour. Well, I haven't seen the other tour lay out specific rules about ameteur status. Mike is a tournament directors tournament director and has been doing it for nearly 20 years. Show me anyone else that has done it any better than Janis, for even half as long......

It's high time that Mike is welcomed back to AZB and is once again able to contribute here!

Thanks for the post.....
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Mike does ALOT for players and people who care about pool .Honestly before I met him I heard alot of people hating on him ...but I judge people by how they treat me and what I see them do. Mike is more of a giver than a taker ,people seem to always have a good time at the Viking events.
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Plus, he is a great partner for the poolrooms holding events..... I can speak from experience there. Every other tour we hosted was a nightmare with low turn outs and/or got jacked on the product we were supposed to get. A couple of times he had stuff on back order and drove out of his way to his next tournament to deliver it. John McChesney/Texas Express (P.O.S.) couldn't even find his way to UPS or the Post Office to ship what he owed..... Mike has the biggest mailing list of pool players in the US and we always had 90-110+ players for our events. And he still does.... Who else does that???
 
Regarding rule number 7, does this mean if a person wins the apa singles event as a skill level 2 in april they can no longer enter the viking tour events?
 
I think I asked this question before but forget what the answer was.... Is Janis banned or did he leave on his own accord? I always thought he was a good contributor.
 
geno said:
Re: Disqualifications

You Can Not Play in the Viking Cue Amateur 9-Ball Tour events if in the prior 3 years:


6. You have ever been in the top 8 of the WPBA or are currently in the top 32 of the WP BA.
7. If you have ever won any National title in either Amateur or Handicapped play in any tournaments or leagues.
8. You are a known Road Player or Top Player in your region.
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#6 - So you can be on the cover of Inside Pool but still play in a Viking Tour event.
#7 - Another poster already stated the obvious
#8 - Saw - how can you say that this makes Janis rules black & white?? This falls back to, if Janis doesn't like you, then you are not an Amateur and can't play.
 
corvette1340 said:
sweet! looks like I'll be able to play now.
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Call/email first to double check. For sure I'm an amateur but Mike wouldn't let me play previously because he said I won two Planet Pool Open events. I had the TD from Planet Pool email Mike and explain that those two events were 'amateur only' 8 ball events and Mike said, "nah, sorry. You can play in the advanced amateur."

I like the clear guidelines myself but I don't like that Mike makes a call on what an "open event" is without doing the research.
 
Pool is the only sport where the players get PO'D when someone says- hey, you have to play at the higher level because I respect your talent, skill and ability.
 
mapman72 said:
Call/email first to double check. For sure I'm an amateur but Mike wouldn't let me play previously because he said I won two Planet Pool Open events. I had the TD from Planet Pool email Mike and explain that those two events were 'amateur only' 8 ball events and Mike said, "nah, sorry. You can play in the advanced amateur."

I like the clear guidelines myself but I don't like that Mike makes a call on what an "open event" is without doing the research.
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Didn't you win PP 8-ball Nationals or the year end championship event?
 
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watchez said:
#6 - So you can be on the cover of Inside Pool but still play in a Viking Tour event.
#7 - Another poster already stated the obvious
#8 - Saw - how can you say that this makes Janis rules black & white?? This falls back to, if Janis doesn't like you, then you are not an Amateur and can't play.
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I think this rule (#8) was at the time (1994 or so) made for players like James Walden, Piggy from Detroit, Chris Bartram, etc... and others that were not tournament players but great known road or hometown gamblers.

I am also very sure Mike lets a lot of players compete in his events even if he personally doesn't like them. He probably don't like you much watchez but you would probably still be allowed to play in his events. IMO everyone is treated fair as a competitor at viking tour events.

The fact that the rules are updated to meet the players concerns or to correct any problem areas on a regular basis seems pretty fair to. I think these rules for the amateur players have been updated every year.
 
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Pretty Sure

watchez said:
#6 - So you can be on the cover of Inside Pool but still play in a Viking Tour event.
#7 - Another poster already stated the obvious
#8 - Saw - how can you say that this makes Janis rules black & white?? This falls back to, if Janis doesn't like you, then you are not an Amateur and can't play.
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I am pretty sure you can play(donate) to this level event.

Hell Eberhardt and many other players are allowed to play.:o
 
watchez said:
#8 - Saw - how can you say that this makes Janis rules black & white?? This falls back to, if Janis doesn't like you, then you are not an Amateur and can't play.
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I haven't seen any of the other "Ameteur" tours spell it out like what is posted here.... Mike is the most fair tournament director I've been around and there is no doubt that Mike may make a wrong call here and there but the majority of the time he will make the right call. All Mike is trying to do with the ameteur tour is promote the game from the grass roots and mold new players for the future. #8 is a good one IMO because it keeps certain people from cherry picking an ametuer tourney and dejecting the true ameteurs. He's not just winging this thing, theres an end game and the end game is good for everyone....
 
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