Nick Varner article: May 2007 BD

[Russ Chewning]

Anyone see anything wrong with the diagrams on page 22?

I mean, granted, I am not nearly the player Nick is, but he diagrams how low english forces a cue ball forward off the tangent line, and how high english pulls it back off the tangent line.

He might be right, but that would mean that I've wasted approximately 1000 hours of practice time.

Please tell me I am not crazy!

Russ

 

[spktur]

Hate to tell you but it will make come a little back off tangent line but you need to contact the oblect ball just slightly off center to get the most effect.

 

[Russ Chewning]

Hate to tell you but it will make come a little back off tangent line but you need to contact the oblect ball just slightly off center to get the most effect.

Don't think so. Perhaps Bob Jewett can answer this for us, but I think the closest the cue ball ever comes to "backing up" off the tangent line is when hit with force follow, the cue ball sticks to the tangent line for a longer time than is normal with a follow shot hit at medium pace.

Since we expect the cue ball to go forward of the tangent line when we put follow on the cue ball, the fact that it hugs the tangent longer is wrongly percieved by the eyes as "backing up" off the tangent line..

Either way, I'm pretty sure it's impossible for the cue ball to follow the paths as diagrammed in Nick's article. It looks like the diagrams were mislabeled by the person doing the layout.

Bob? You there, bro?

Russ

 

[SPINDOKTOR]

Russ, have a link to the article? a diagram? some sort of example? I have no idea where the article is located let alone page 22? lol..

SPINDOKTOR

Anyone see anything wrong with the diagrams on page 22?

I mean, granted, I am not nearly the player Nick is, but he diagrams how low english forces a cue ball forward off the tangent line, and how high english pulls it back off the tangent line.

He might be right, but that would mean that I've wasted approximately 1000 hours of practice time.

Please tell me I am not crazy!

Russ

 

[JimS]

I think it got printed incorrectly. They show movement of the cue ball that they identify as follow but it should be draw (the cb comes off the ob and goes up the long rail). They show the cb hitting that long rail short of the tangent line and they call that draw and it should be follow.

 

[PoolSharkAllen]

I think it got printed incorrectly. They show movement of the cue ball that they identify as follow but it should be draw (the cb comes off the ob and goes up the long rail). They show the cb hitting that long rail short of the tangent line and they call that draw and it should be follow.

I agree. It's a misprint.

 

[Tommy-D]

> There was an article about uses of inside/outside spin by George Fels that was also flip-flopped due to the shot diagrams being mislabeled. In that one,his description made it sound like low inside spin brings the cue ball 2 rails out of the corner off a spot shot to play position on a ball along the side rail,LOL. What a difference that little A or B can make in a diagram huh? Tommy D.

 

[Bob Jewett]

Don't think so. Perhaps Bob Jewett can answer this for us, but I think the closest the cue ball ever comes to "backing up" off the tangent line is when hit with force follow, the cue ball sticks to the tangent line for a longer time than is normal with a follow shot hit at medium pace. ...

The cue ball can bounce back from the tangent line some if it is seriously light (which practically means it's seriously small). Normally, the cue ball actually starts out slightly ahead of the tangent line because the balls are not perfectly elastic. This is a very slight effect, and any draw or follow you have on the cue ball will mask the imperfection. You might see it if you set up kiss shots with object balls, but you must not freeze the balls in the combo or the carom angle may be quite different from 90 degrees for a different reason.

 

[Williebetmore]

I saw the article, and just assumed both diagrams were mis-labelled. Just reverse the words follow and draw and I think its okay.

Just another example of the limitations of printed instructional material. There will be a lot of novice players that will waste hundreds of hours because of this. Another great reason to find a good instructor.