Niels Feijen's approach to aiming with and without side spin

lfigueroa said:
I only offer my opinion and I certainly don’t try and get people to do anything.

In the end, people will always choose to do what they want. If some are persuaded by logic and intelligent discussion rather than fanatical ravings that is as it should be.

Lou Figueroa
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Well you certainly should know about fanatical ravings.
In your phone conversations with The White and The Johnson, you really, really, sound short circuited.
You think other people don't KNOW about those things..???????????
People like to brag...and they don't care who they throw under the bus. Especially if it's you being tossed under it.
Your "fwen" list isn't as reliable as you may think it is...………………………………."dufus".
 
Low500 said:
Well you certainly should know about fanatical ravings.
In your phone conversations with The White and The Johnson, you really, really, sound short circuited.
You think other people don't KNOW about those things..???????????
People like to brag...and they don't care who they throw under the bus. Especially if it's you being tossed under it.
Your "fwen" list isn't as reliable as you may think it is...………………………………."dufus".
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Obviously, you are delusional and totally ate up with frustration, making up shit out of thin air.

I think I’ve exchanged an email or maybe a PM once or twice with Dan in the last five years and that was to discuss a video from the DCC 14.1 Challenge.

The only time I’ve tried contacting PJ was when someone on the group reported he was in the hospital and to see how he was doing. Guy didn’t even return my voicemail, lol.

Lou Figueroa
 
Tyler Styer vs Neils Feijen in Tyler's Mosconi Cup debut match. Neils can say that aiming systems aren't worth it and denigrate them with a "no magic pill" snide comment. Joey Bautista can call Tyler and other CTE users liars and decide to use the "no magic pill" nastygram in his signature. But the fact is that Tyler is clear about his use of CTE and he teaches it to others. As demonstrated in this video between Ghost Ball user Niels and CTE user Tyler it is clear that Tyler has achieved world class skill with CTE OBJECTIVE aiming as one major pillar of his skillset. Here is a good example of two world class players doing their thing and both of them have put in thousands of hours of dedicated deep training to get there.

 
JB Cases said:
Tyler Styer vs Neils Feijen in Tyler's Mosconi Cup debut match. Neils can say that aiming systems aren't worth it and denigrate them with a "no magic pill" snide comment. Joey Bautista can call Tyler and other CTE users liars and decide to use the "no magic pill" nastygram in his signature. But the fact is that Tyler is clear about his use of CTE and he teaches it to others. As demonstrated in this video between Ghost Ball user Niels and CTE user Tyler it is clear that Tyler has achieved world class skill with CTE OBJECTIVE aiming as one major pillar of his skillset. Here is a good example of two world class players doing their thing and both of them have put in thousands of hours of dedicated deep training to get there.

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What was that?

A 9ball race to five, lol. Shoot, I beat Larry Nevel right after he’d won the US One Pocket Open in a race to three.

Short race don’t mean much... but then you knew that.

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
What was that?

A 9ball race to five, lol. Shoot, I beat Larry Nevel right after he’d won the US One Pocket Open in a race to three.

Short race don’t mean much... but then you knew that.

Lou Figueroa
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Makes me wonder how many pros have been shown chicken to egg system and have laughed it off or did not want any part of it . We know Johns Schmidt and Corey Deuel scoffed at it in the TAR video .
I know I was next to Efren when Tang Hoa was getting shown a version of chicken to egg at Hard Times .
The object ball was not the far from the pocket and it was just a small angle shot .
Efren said, well you're not supposed to miss that one. He set up the shot on his table and slammed it in .
And he said to me, I'd play that maestro anytime ( in the Philippines teachers are called maestro ).
Tang Hoa was only less than 5 years removed from second place finish at the US Open then.
Did he need aiming lessons ?
Doubt it.
Niels is correct in his magic pill statement. Some whack at balls and expect the ball to go in because they used their aiming system.
 
JB Cases said:
Tyler Styer vs Neils Feijen in Tyler's Mosconi Cup debut match. Neils can say that aiming systems aren't worth it and denigrate them with a "no magic pill" snide comment. Joey Bautista can call Tyler and other CTE users liars and decide to use the "no magic pill" nastygram in his signature. But the fact is that Tyler is clear about his use of CTE and he teaches it to others. As demonstrated in this video between Ghost Ball user Niels and CTE user Tyler it is clear that Tyler has achieved world class skill with CTE OBJECTIVE aiming as one major pillar of his skillset. Here is a good example of two world class players doing their thing and both of them have put in thousands of hours of dedicated deep training to get there.

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TS is a great young player (top 10 playing 10B in USA, primarily because of his world class break) however, he is not a world class player (he may have world class skill, consistently displaying that skill is another matter) at this point.

His growth has been stagnant the last couple of years and hopefully with COVID not gutting so many aspects of our lives he'll have more opportunities to season and grow as a pool player.
 
ribdoner said:
TS is a great young player (top 10 playing 10B in USA, primarily because of his world class break) however, he is not a world class player (he may have world class skill, consistently displaying that skill is another matter) at this point.

His growth has been stagnant the last couple of years and hopefully with COVID not gutting so many aspects of our lives he'll have more opportunities to season and grow as a pool player.
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If he plays James Aranas , who's the favorite ? I wonder if Roy has tried to make the match.
 
ribdoner said:
Don't think so, however, he's closing in on hitting a million balls
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I've watched him do his drills . They are insane . They place two ball blockers in the middle of the table and he has to run out opposite corner sets of balls . Fedor Gorst's drills are even more insane .
lfigueroa said:
Does Aranas use CTE?

Lou Figueroa
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No, but he definitely darts his cue like Efren .
 
As good as Niels is (and I've been one of his YouTube followers for quite some time), I have to say he is isn't exactly correct when it comes to aiming with spin. He says it's 100% feel, and a player just has to do the old school rote learning of trial and error, hit and miss, in order to get good at it. He says this because he's a ghostball user, and using ghostball with spin is a bit tricky. But there is a much easier method for learning how to aim...

In the ghostball setup that he shows in the aiming video, he physically places a ghostball in line with the ob, then stands behind the cb and looks at the aim line. Then he moves the gb out of the way and sends the cb down the aim line. For a new player, or a player that struggles with aiming certain shots, it is much more effective to actually look beyond the ghostball to see where the aim line hits in relation to the ob itself. Then when you move that makeshift ghostball out of the way you'll have a solid visually reference for the line of aim. This can easily help players develop a good eye for aiming, and at a much quicker pace than the trial and error method of trying to put the cb where you think the imaginary gb should be.
 
BC21 said:
As good as Niels is (and I've been one of his YouTube followers for quite some time), I have to say he is isn't exactly correct when it comes to aiming with spin. He says it's 100% feel, and a player just has to do the old school rote learning of trial and error, hit and miss, in order to get good at it. He says this because he's a ghostball user, and using ghostball with spin is a bit tricky. But there is a much easier method for learning how to aim...

In the ghostball setup that he shows in the aiming video, he physically places a ghostball in line with the ob, then stands behind the cb and looks at the aim line. Then he moves the gb out of the way and sends the cb down the aim line. For a new player, or a player that struggles with aiming certain shots, it is much more effective to actually look beyond the ghostball to see where the aim line hits in relation to the ob itself. Then when you move that makeshift ghostball out of the way you'll have a solid visually reference for the line of aim. This can easily help players develop a good eye for aiming, and at a much quicker pace than the trial and error method of trying to put the cb where you think the imaginary gb should be.
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That is the more traditional "English" way of teaching ghost ball. "Translating" ghost ball to fractional hits. I mean, it's better to have something tangible to aim for, but it doesn't really help with the sidespin, IMO.

It would help if one would for instance translate deflection into 1/8ths pr diamond distance or something. Then we'd be onto something maybe.

Unfortunately it varies with cut angle and speed. Less cut, more throw, more speed less throw+more deflection. There really isn't a good system for this or if there is, I haven't found it. I think maybe the easiest would be BHE, but it too is subject to variability. One could at least teach that to beginner in a half-assed manner to get them close on most shots. Center pocket on all shots at all speeds...no, needs practise and more practise.
 
BC21 said:
... For a new player, or a player that struggles with aiming certain shots, it is much more effective to actually look beyond the ghostball to see where the aim line hits in relation to the ob itself. Then when you move that makeshift ghostball out of the way you'll have a solid visually reference for the line of aim. This can easily help players develop a good eye for aiming, and at a much quicker pace than the trial and error method of trying to put the cb where you think the imaginary gb should be.
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One thing that helps keep the line is to place a ball behind the object ball along the same line and back far enough it does not block the pocket. Then the beginner can check alignment by seeing if the aim line goes to the "distant ghost ball".
 
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