on a push out. are you allowed to contact the one ball first and have it be a legal push.
nine ball push out rule
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I would let my opponent hit the 1-ball and call push.
But why would he want to give me an extra option?
What was the situation?
You can make an illegal hit on a pushout, Doesn't have to be legal, or at least it's that way unless the rules have been changed.
Some hits on pushes are not allowed...usually involves not hitting
the cueball in a conventional manner.
I've seen people use their shaft,butt or even their hand to push.
Sorry, I was referring to not hitting the low ball, not an illegal shot as you describe. My bad.
The way to think of a push out is that two foul rules are suspended and nothing else is changed:
No Rail -- you are not required to make contact with a cushion
Bad Hit -- you are not required to hit the lowest ball first
No other foul rules are added or subtracted. One example is that you are not allowed to shoot with the side of your stick on a push out -- you are never allowed to shoot with the side of your stick.
Doesn't hitting the one ball negate the called push - assuming something
bumps into a rail.
IIUC - in 8 ball or 9 ball - if you legally pocket a ball, it is still your turn
at the table, no matter how many times you have called "safe".
So, I would think that if you execute a legal stroke(hit the one and get to a rail)
your push is no longer a push. The result would be that your opponent no longer has
the option to make you shoot again.
Dale
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Must state, "push out or push", cue tip must hit cue ball, cue ball can not go into a pocket or it is a foul, otherwise a push out is a legal shot.
You can call "push" and hit the one, although I've never seen it done.
No, after a legal push out, the seated player still has the choice.
Here's the text of the rule:
2.4 Second Shot of the Rack – Push Out
If no foul is committed on the break shot, the shooter may choose to play a “push out” as his shot. He must make his intention known to the referee, and then rules 6.2 Wrong Ball First and 6.3 No Rail after Contact are suspended for the shot. If no foul is committed on a push out, the other player chooses who will shoot next.
If no foul is committed on the break shot, the shooter may choose to play a “push out” as his shot. He must make his intention known to the referee, and then rules 6.2 Wrong Ball First and 6.3 No Rail after Contact are suspended for the shot. If no foul is committed on a push out, the other player chooses who will shoot next.
It would also be illegal to double hit, or push through the cue ball.
Maybe the word "Pushout" should be changed to "Rollout". nevermind.
i hear you but picture this.....it happened to me...I broke, and the cue ball rolled up and froze to the end rail super close to the corner pocket....the 1 ball almost froze to the cueball slightly off angle so I could only roll down table a short distance but had no choice but to contact the 1. very rare but it happens.
There are tight, complicated situations, like the one above. Suppose you have a real close hit on the one ball, but you don't trust the referee. (The TD is the road partner of your opponent, for example.) You could get the good hit on the one and still have it called a foul. Instead, you can call the push and rearrange the balls a little. It might even be best to pocket the one on the shot.
I almost hate to remind people, but in the days of pushout 9ball, it was not
unusual for a player to roll the CB to a spot that was tough in hopes that
the opponent would pass it back to him.
Usually this was because he felt he could make the shot,
or play a devistating safety that hs opponent could not.
Thankfully, moves like this are all but forgotten in the era of 1 foul
with its trap shot safety play, but it could still come up.
Dale