Nitty behavior

n33njah

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Granted this is an often talked about behavior and sadly becoming more prevalent within local rooms.


So I decided to play a guy whose just a little gear over my head [ in 9 ball anyway] for some 20 a game one pocket which is what we classify as cheap action. Anyway we start the discussion, where I ask how we're gonna match up and he's asking for three balls and the break and I respond with we'll start even since we've never matched up, he barks and argues and I get him talked into it. Fine and good, he wins the flip for the break.

First game comes up and i'm playing terrible, selling out non stop and he's taking advantage and shooting about how he should considering i'm giving him charity; seriously i'd have been better off throwing that twenty on the sidewalk. Score is 8-5; So second game I'm focused in and trying to tighten my head up. Getting in the mode as I say, anyway I break and for the first time ever make the wing ball and pull perfect shape. I proceed to run another 5 balls. By the time he gets to shoot he's down 6-0, well the entire time i'm making that little run he's literally stomping around the table screaming about I trapped him, how i'm a one pocket champion, no one should be able to break and run six balls off a break, that i'm a piece of #### and generally anything else he can to get into my brain. After that 6-0 deficit I made one terrible mistake and he runs out. He proceeds to tell me that we're not playing anymore one pocket unless i give him 10-7 and rotate break. I immediately laugh and break my cue down, hand him the money and state simply "you're up 2 games demanding a spot?"


He goes off on another tangent and starts to scream and go insane about the fact that I quit after two games when he's been flagging me, threatening me and in short making an ass of himself. Anyway he offers me the 8 and last two playing nine ball for some cheap sets [5 for 20] I agree. Put the cue back together andstart playing. I win 5-4, he wins 5-4, third set I catch gear and stroll him 5-0 and he pulls up and starts screaming again about the spot being out of line. I politely take my earbuds out, tell him to give me my 20 back we're done that Im content getting 20 back. Well he proceeds to call me a nit for quitting "Up" in our 9 ball sets. Offers me the 8 for 10 a game, at this point after arguing and basically calling him out on a being nitty at this point, i'm shook apparently. I rattled and dogged more shots in the 5 games we played at that point than i have all night.


I pull up after getting down 5 games because i realize i'm starting to get my nose opened up. We quit and I lay the money in the pocket as usual and he laughs and makes the comment that " Your nitty a## will never get a spot from me" and I immediately turn on him and ask why, his reply. " you wont spot me in 1p when you play a lot better than I do so you're not getting a spot in my game." so all in all I played for about 3 hours, lost 70 bucks and got so mad and shook that I literally went off on him.


Sorry for the rant but honestly what happened to matching up and being friendly in cheap games, as opposed to being called a nit for wanting a fair game?

And yeah I was in the wrong in some of the arguing, but the blatant flag and behavior that got me shook up is what I can't stand. No big hurt feelings over the money or losing, i honestly deserved to lose the way I played, but to honestly call me a nit then tell me you'll never spot me after beating me, and then to demand a spot when you're up money??? It doesn't get much worse imo.
 
Common sense, here. This is BAD action. It will get nothing but worse. If you're gonna fu#$ around with this kind of guy, make sure it's worth it. Otherwise, just tell him "You're the best in the world. No way I'm gonna beat you, so just walk away." and walk away. Take the 'fish's advice. You guys keep this up, and there's a fight brewing. One of you will snap.


For those of you interested, yes I've cut many a "fit pitcher" for exactly this kinda shit.
 
Common sense, here. This is BAD action. It will get nothing but worse. If you're gonna fu#$ around with this kind of guy, make sure it's worth it. Otherwise, just tell him "You're the best in the world. No way I'm gonna beat you, so just walk away." and walk away. Take the 'fish's advice. You guys keep this up, and there's a fight brewing. One of you will snap.


For those of you interested, yes I've cut many a "fit pitcher" for exactly this kinda shit.

Exactly. That was entirely too much bullshitt for what you classified as "cheap action".
 
This sounds like my typical Saturday night with Bartram. He's just so damn nitty and always asking for a spot.
 
that's what's weird

is normally he's all laughs and chuckles, we basically match up well, and hell all his friends are my good buddies when it comes to goofing off in action. This is maybe the second time he's ever opened up like this, and normally he goes off internally. Like i've seen him literally snap a predator air jump against the floor because he's mad at himself. Not once has he ever popped at me, and it came very close to a fist fight.

Our room is strict no fighting, and the .38 in the counterman's pocket enforces it solidly. So I had no desire to hit him inside, though I did tell him if he threatened me a second time we were going outside one way or another, but i dont plan on playing him again, and if I do it's going to be get in get him open and get out. Like i said this was just insane that I'm getting called a nit for losing money and refusing to GIVE my spot away. I was sort of shocked and awed by it.
 
Generally speaking, I think matches are prone to more ill will and stroke causing tension where as the match proceeds, spots are negotiated on the fly.

Sounds like he was irrational and of questionable sportsmanship.

You can freeze a turd and chill the stink, but it's still a freakin turd.

The craw already took a good stab at this - seems he's bad action for you.
 
Freeze some money up and play one game with no adjusting. Only way to play that dude. You're going to run into people who put you on tilt. As long as you can win money and make them gamble I'd still play.
 
Freeze some money up and play one game with no adjusting. Only way to play that dude. You're going to run into people who put you on tilt. As long as you can win money and make them gamble I'd still play.

I agree with Mike. The OP's follow up post seems to intimate the guy isn't a horrible person. Screw messing with spots on the fly. By booking a game and freezing the cheese upfront, you may avoid his ass-side and actually get a worthy game. If he turns on you again, then "no mas".
 
Thanks for the response

I truly didnt expect much action on this thread. I just felt like ranting lol. Appreciate the input guys, and like I said my goal isnt to bust this guy he's a good practice partner, but after that display I have no plans on playing him.

It would literally take the world for me to put my cue together against him. LIke if he offers me the 6 out. and freezes a nice chunk of change then yeah I would probably admit to robbing him at that point. But just practicing with a lil change on the line, or even cheese locked I dont want to play just because he knows now after that little episode and watching me get twisted that he can get to me by running his mouth.

My faithful ipod didnt save me this time, he was that loud and ignorant as he threw a two year old's temper tantrum. Sad that i cant even block it out but its hard for me to do in this instance because i've NEVER seen that side of the dude, i mean i know he has a temper, but never to the point of threatening me. And dancing around and slapping tables and whatnot.


Anyway thanks for the response.
Scott Much respect for putting me on the spot like that. That gives it a nice prospective from an outsider. If i go back to him regardless it makes me a nit to give into bad action. That's not what I want to be and in our pool room who you run with defines your status so to speak. I'd hate for the guys locally that I respect to think i'm nitty like that.
 
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I am a nobody, a lowly 8 in APA, but it sure seems like there is WAY more of this type stuff than 20 years ago.

It used to be someone who didn't know you, or had never matched up with you would shoot $100 at you just to find out. If they didn't play their best, they'd do it again another night to be sure before they started woofing and nitting for a spot.
 
Gambling

This is the reason so many players are just playing in tournaments.
In a lot of gambling situations even if you win, it's not worth it.

The other night at Table Steaks here in Denver two great players were playing 1P for $40 a game, having fun, laughing.
After hours of play someone was up 1-game and then came the "hanging ball" controversy.

  • What's the rule
  • Did the ball hang for 3-seconds or not
  • I don't cheat, he put's it back, the other guy drops it, back & forth
  • Ted (me) saw it, what's the ruling

I called a foul for excessive hanging of the 7-ball
 
I remember once matching up in some even sets with a good road player. We had played before and broken even, so now we were upping the bet and playing for maybe $300 or so for races to nine, nine ball. It figured to be a good match and plenty of railbirds were there to sweat it and sidebet.

So we flip for the break and he wins, but then I remember that the table we're fixing to play on racks a little funny and the nine can go in on the break a lot. So I ask him if he wants to play that the nine just spots if it goes in on the break and explain about the rack. It's no fun, I say, for either of us to win a bunch of games with just one or two shots. His response is that he's okay with that, but only after we play the first game. His logic is that he won the flip for the break while he could still win by making the nine, and that it wasn't fair to take that advantage away.

Well that was a little much for me, so I just said I didn't feel like playing any more and just unscrewed and left.
 
If my opponent cannot play like a gentleman and control himself, he does not get any play from me.. Life is too short to play with nits and idiots.. I'd pull up in a second if a guy I was playing acted like your opponent.
 
The only way I would play an ass hole like that guy is if I was a lock to win, knew he was going to pay, and knew he wasn't going to throw a punch.
 
I really can't believe you played him again after the 1 pocket "set". The guy is obviously an idiot.

These days, how crazy can people be to threaten someone? With the number of handguns and black belts out there, this guy was begging to get hurt.

I was really hoping that the story ended with you kicking his butt, preferably in the alley, but good job to keep your cool.

Tom
 
Stay away......

This is way too much headache for cheap action.

In my experience the best way to play is to make a game then play it out that way for the whole session. You can always come back tomorrow and play with a different spot. Never adjust more than once in an evening. If you do it only leads to trouble. It is sporty though to adjust and give a guy a shot at his dough.

Too much talking and not enough playing.

If a guy won't play more than a couple sets without adjusting that isn't action-> that is fishing for the nuts.


Dudley
 
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wait, if you're playing 1P and lose the first two games you're NOT supposed to give your opponent a spot?? CRAP!! you folks need to tell me these things!! :rolleyes::p
 
Classic woofing move

N33,

IMO he was definitely playing you...off the table, that is. He tested your hype level to tighten you up and get into your head. It's a move I've had used on me a bunch of times and I know it's out there. It could happen with the nicest guy you know and have played before. They're looking for an edge. Some guys are human windmills while you play them, sharking and mumbling the entire time you're locked up with them. Others slow roll you and keep walking away from the table when you get on a roll to raise your adrenaline to overflow and cause you to hurry shots and lose your rhythm.
When I was in the military, the drill instructors got paid to put a ton of pressure on you to get you to crack and have a meltdown. When somebody did they immediately escorted them off and were all nice to them. It's a move to get you out of your game plan. He feels he can't beat you without an edge.
I travelled with a player years ago that used this same tactic to rile up the competition. We didn't know anybody, so I was never too comfortable with him doing this in strange poolrooms. After it was over we would laugh about it because some players never made a ball they were so shook. We called it the 'Bekins' because it was such a good move(only once did we have to back out of a room and run:D).
If you get a rep for not being cool here, the word will get out and they may line up to play with you and treat you bad. "Don't let 'em see you sweat". Fade the duel and chalk it up to a lesson learned. It's gonna happen again. Don't fan the flames.
Hope this helped bud.:cool:
 
I hate playing pool in America. Scumbags like that are rampant and it makes me sick. I gotta tell ya, I'm not a gambler by a long shot, but if I do decide to gamble I don't give a spot and I don't take one. It's straight up or nothing. I wouldn't care if Efren, Earl, and Johnny were all waiting in the wings to rob me, I would not take a spot. No one wins if there's a handicap. If you have a spot and take the set it's because of the spot. If you give a spot and lose it's because of the spot. The only way to win is in a fair game where the best player wins. Spots are for pussies. I'm more than willing to hand over the cash if I lost to a better player.
MULLY
and yes, I've lost my fair share so I'm not trying to come off like I win every time I'm at the table. I just don't do handicapping.
 
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