No Conflict Rules Favor the Better Player

one stroke said:
The 5 best players I ever beat all came in alternating break formats ,,and I have seen countless times better players get knocked off by lesser players that would have exactly zero chance of winning a winner break match.
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This is anecdotal in the big picture of thousands of matches.
 
one stroke said:
You keep saying that but have yet to produce any evidence that support your claims
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I could do this but this really is not the place for algorithms. I read my explanation over again and I don't think I can word it any better. Its okay. You can think and believe what ever you want without an argument from me. No big deal. This is only a forum.
 
I think it would take far less time to learn how to break than it is taking to come up with new rules punishing guys who did learn....
 
Why try a bunch of gimmicks to fix a fatally flawed game when you could just play 10 ball instead? Would you be afraid the weaker players wouldn't enter due to a lesser chance of winning?

JC
 
JC said:
Why try a bunch of gimmicks to fix a fatally flawed game when you could just play 10 ball instead? Would you be afraid the weaker players wouldn't enter due to a lesser chance of winning?

JC
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Honestly, I don't know a game less interesting than World Standardized Ten-Ball. Very, very, very few play it and even fewer can stand to watch it. The most exciting and memorable moments on a pool table over the last 40 years have been with Nine-Ball, a wide open game.

I also want to point out that the No Conflict Rules also can be applied to Ten-Ball. The shenanigans that take place in Nine-Ball also takes place in Ten-Ball and it is getting worse and worse as time goes on.
 
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Paul Schofield said:
That is exactly what my rules do. Control the cue ball, control the 1-ball, and get a good spread...all of which requires a great amount of skill.

Look, it is time that you play under these rules so that you can intelligently talk about them. My next event is in August. Come and play so that you can stop speculating. You don't know what you are talking about. You should know that my tournaments fill fast and there are some very fine players who participate.

I do stuff.
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Should I make a movie too before I can intelligently comment on whether I like it or not?
 
The Renfro said:
I think it would take far less time to learn how to break than it is taking to come up with new rules punishing guys who did learn....
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This is a sentiment that I never hear, not from league players, not from weekly tournament players, not from quarterly regional players, not from the pros.
 
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Paul Schofield said:
Honestly, I don't know a game less interesting than World Standardized Ten-Ball. Very, very, very few play it and even fewer can stand to watch it.
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What is so boring about 10 ball that 9 ball solves? Your statement is perplexing and not backed up by the current state of the pool scene I'm seeing out here. Where I live the better players much prefer 10 ball. Pool in general isn't a big spectator sport except for the hard core.

Your rules are a silly answer to a problem racking templates have already long ago solved. I attended the Reno bar boxes this year where the magic rack was mandatory and it was a big event with "no conflict" that I saw or heard about.

I would guess the main reason folks put up with your nonsense is due to your beautiful room and willingness to host events. For that sir you have my utmost respect.

JC
 
Paul Schofield said:
Honestly, I don't know a game less interesting than World Standardized Ten-Ball. Very, very, very few play it and even fewer can stand to watch it. The most exciting and memorable moments on a pool table over the last 40 years have been with Nine-Ball, a wide open game.

I also want to point out that the No Conflict Rules also can be applied to Ten-Ball. The shenanigans that take place in Nine-Ball also takes place in Ten-Ball and it is getting worse and worse as time goes on.
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Very well said. Almost all the big events worldwide are 9-ball. Ten ball is every bit as broken, and they figured out years ago on the Eurotour that nine ball with the nine racked on the spot isn't broken at all. We've all seen how exciting this makes the Mosconi Cup.
 
JC said:
What is so boring about 10 ball that 9 ball solves? JC
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The rules are very different for each game. Without getting into the details, I can point to the net result. Barry Behrman sponsored a Ten-Ball version of his Fall Nine-Ball event. I have not seen a second one for very obvious reasons. Try to convince Barry Hearn (Mosconi Cup) that Ten Ball is good thing. He will have none of it. He knows better. World Standardized Ten-Ball is a dry-ball game.

I want to be clear. IMO Nine-Ball is not the answer to improving pool's popularity. It is just too difficult for 95% of the pool playing community. For now, it is the best we have. I buy pay-per-view streaming for my place. I can get people to watch Nine-Ball. Ten-Ball gets no interest.
 
JC said:
I attended the Reno bar boxes this year where the magic rack was mandatory and it was a big event with "no conflict" that I saw or heard about.

JC
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Man-oh-man! Think about it. They are doing the same thing I do *almost*. The Magic Rack on a bar table is a dead-ball-racking-gadget. The balls fly in the holes! I have watched the streaming and the videos. My rules guarantee that the breaker gets first shot. SO DOES THE MAGIC RACK!!!! When players get to shoot after the break, there is no conflict.

There are 3 big differences between the No Conflict Rules and the Magic Rack. 1) there will be no pattern racking withe the No Conflict Rules 2) there will be less balls made on the break with the No Conflict Rules. 3) the No Conflict Rules are easier and faster than a Magic Rack.
 
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JC said:
What is so boring about 10 ball that 9 ball solves? Your statement is perplexing and not backed up by the current state of the pool scene I'm seeing out here. Where I live the better players much prefer 10 ball. Pool in general isn't a big spectator sport except for the hard core.

Your rules are a silly answer to a problem racking templates have already long ago solved. I attended the Reno bar boxes this year where the magic rack was mandatory and it was a big event with "no conflict" that I saw or heard about.

I would guess the main reason folks put up with your nonsense is due to your beautiful room and willingness to host events. For that sir you have my utmost respect.

JC
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Yeah, let's trash Paul for his nonsense of actually doing positive stuff for the game. What's the matter, JC, don't Paul's goals match yours exactly so that's why the putdowns?

I've got an idea!!!!!!!!....If you don't like Paul's rules and tournaments, don't play in them.


Jeff Livingston
 
chefjeff said:
Yeah, let's trash Paul for his nonsense of actually doing positive stuff for the game. What's the matter, JC, don't Paul's goals match yours exactly so that's why the putdowns?
Jeff Livingston
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No big deal. It is times like these that everything should be examined and questioned.
 
Paul Schofield said:
Man-oh-man! Think about it. They are doing the same thing I do *almost*. The Magic Rack on a bar table is a dead-ball-racking-gadget. The balls fly in the holes! I have watched the streaming and the videos. My rules guarantee that the breaker gets first shot. SO DOES THE MAGIC RACK!!!! When players get to shoot after the break, there is no conflict.

There are 3 big differences between the No Conflict Rules and the Magic Rack. 1) there will be no pattern racking withe the No Conflict Rules 2) there will be less balls made on the break with the No Conflict Rules. 3) the No Conflict Rules are easier and faster than a Magic Rack.
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Come to think of it I did hear Lee Brett ranting about someone pattern racking against him. With short races and alternate break I'm not sure I caught his point. Win the lag and you have the extra break to do as you please. BTW I did see a fair amount of dry breaks in nine ball, even from the pros. Something like one in ten probably :)

JC
 
Hey Mike, How about posting one match of your best work on Youtube so that people can get an idea of what you are all about? I can see where players would be reluctant to subscribe without knowing the quality of your product.
 
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