No More Complaining!!!

Its nice to know i'm not the only one who feels this way. It's just disgusting to see a great player turn his nose at what most of us would consider an extremely large bet and well worth our time and effort.
 
beav99_4life said:
The other night I was sitting and chatting with a great player, whose name would be easily recognized by all if mentioned. He lives locally and came into the pool hall to catch up and BS. While talking, he mentioned if I knew of any action he might be able to get into. I told him about a guy that was a decent B player, but who liked to match up with better players for the right spot and would be willing to drop $2000 without thinking about it. The player kind of laughed a little and then had the nerve to say "I'm not looking for $2000, i'm looking for $20,000." Now we're not talking about him having to fly to the other side of the country, we're talking about a 20 minute drive across town to win $2000 OR more, and he shrugged it off as if it were nothing. If pool has come down to you either put up 5 digits or more, or its not even worth considering, then I guess all the complaining these same players are doing about tournament payouts arent justified. I immediately said something back to the effect that there are fathers out there busting their asses for $9/hr to feed their families who work for a month to see less than $2000. He once again shrugged it off, and he is not the only one. I have seen this attitude becoming more and more common among the pros and top road players. Its called GRINDING, and most people have to do it their whole lives. Why dont some of you players try it and learn some humility so you can be thankful for what you have. Sorry for the length, I just had to get this off my chest.

None of this surprises me. It happens all around the World. It's just plain and simple BS. Good rep for calling it.
 
beav99_4life said:
The other night I was sitting and chatting with a great player, whose name would be easily recognized by all if mentioned. He lives locally and came into the pool hall to catch up and BS. While talking, he mentioned if I knew of any action he might be able to get into. I told him about a guy that was a decent B player, but who liked to match up with better players for the right spot and would be willing to drop $2000 without thinking about it. The player kind of laughed a little and then had the nerve to say "I'm not looking for $2000, i'm looking for $20,000." Now we're not talking about him having to fly to the other side of the country, we're talking about a 20 minute drive across town to win $2000 OR more, and he shrugged it off as if it were nothing. If pool has come down to you either put up 5 digits or more, or its not even worth considering, then I guess all the complaining these same players are doing about tournament payouts arent justified. I immediately said something back to the effect that there are fathers out there busting their asses for $9/hr to feed their families who work for a month to see less than $2000. He once again shrugged it off, and he is not the only one. I have seen this attitude becoming more and more common among the pros and top road players. Its called GRINDING, and most people have to do it their whole lives. Why dont some of you players try it and learn some humility so you can be thankful for what you have. Sorry for the length, I just had to get this off my chest.

I agree, this is BS. A man that only wants to play high action typically either has a chump backer or is blowing smoke to puff their chest. Let them bet their own cheese and the story changes pretty quickly. I am friends with some great players and if I told them where we could knock off a G a piece with me on stake they would drive to see me.
 
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Beav Is Da Man!

beav99_4life said:
Sorry Gary, I would never post his name or even send it in a PM. The pool world is a small one and I would never knowingly do anything to put a negative conotation on anyone's name, even though I thoroughly disagreed with his attitude and statement. As far as him not being able to give the player weight, he could easily give this guy 10-7 to 10-6 and probably walk away with the jack. I just have alot of respect for players who are willing to grind it out for their living. I know Chris Bartrum pretty well and he is my definition of a grinder. He will jump on a $500 set and try to take it as serious as a $5000 set. He understands that its his profession and takes it seriously.

Beav: YOU DA MAN!
JoeyA
 
LOL, Thanks Joey, but i'm not the man. I'm just someone who appreciates what I consider the best sport in the world. Its full of characters, stories and never ending action that makes it very appealing. I dont like seeing the sport I love belittled by players who put their ego and attitude ahead of the purity of the game, especially those who were blessed with an amazing God given talent to play this game at a level higher than most of us can hope to reach. I could only dream of making ANY kind of living off of pool. I just want those who can to appreciate the gift given to them.
 
beav99_4life said:
The other night I was sitting and chatting with a great player, whose name would be easily recognized by all if mentioned. He lives locally and came into the pool hall to catch up and BS. While talking, he mentioned if I knew of any action he might be able to get into. I told him about a guy that was a decent B player, but who liked to match up with better players for the right spot and would be willing to drop $2000 without thinking about it. The player kind of laughed a little and then had the nerve to say "I'm not looking for $2000, i'm looking for $20,000." Now we're not talking about him having to fly to the other side of the country, we're talking about a 20 minute drive across town to win $2000 OR more, and he shrugged it off as if it were nothing. If pool has come down to you either put up 5 digits or more, or its not even worth considering, then I guess all the complaining these same players are doing about tournament payouts arent justified. I immediately said something back to the effect that there are fathers out there busting their asses for $9/hr to feed their families who work for a month to see less than $2000. He once again shrugged it off, and he is not the only one. I have seen this attitude becoming more and more common among the pros and top road players. Its called GRINDING, and most people have to do it their whole lives. Why dont some of you players try it and learn some humility so you can be thankful for what you have. Sorry for the length, I just had to get this off my chest.

Well said, Pos rep for you!!
 
beav99_4life said:
Sorry Gary, I would never post his name or even send it in a PM. The pool world is a small one and I would never knowingly do anything to put a negative conotation on anyone's name, even though I thoroughly disagreed with his attitude and statement. As far as him not being able to give the player weight, he could easily give this guy 10-7 to 10-6 and probably walk away with the jack. I just have alot of respect for players who are willing to grind it out for their living. I know Chris Bartrum pretty well and he is my definition of a grinder. He will jump on a $500 set and try to take it as serious as a $5000 set. He understands that its his profession and takes it seriously.

Steve,

You probably should have written the original post differently, in a manner where it wouldn't leave the the players identity open for conjecture. Everyone has read "He lives locally", "a 20 minute drive across town" and can easily see in the right hand corner of your post that you live in "Location: Columbus, Ohio". Since Cory moved to Fla. that only leaves 4 players "whose name would be easily recognized by all if mentioned" that you can possibly be talking about. As you know, I am very good friends with all of them. My whole point in posting is that most here can easily guess who three of the four are, the fourth would be recognizable but most wouldn't associate his name with Columbus. Peoples heads out there are spinning wondering who the player you are talking about is. Now, since you brought it to everyones attention, you may as well "out" whoever it is and save the other three from looking like greedy, pompous dirtbags! Piss one off and vindicate the three others.....

Kirk
 
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:rolleyes: let me guess. he said that and then asked to borrow $20?? thats how alot of champions are, talk alot of big money but 95 % of the time they are broke. i'am with you grind it. if ya grind 100 to 200 a day tax free your living pretty good. bums.....get a life. go flip a burger 10 hours a day and see ho good a 2k score looks. want fries with that...:rolleyes:
 
What is interesting to me is that I have offered to play pro level players even nine ball or one pocket while I have no chance of winning. My expectation is that I might learn something and I am fully willing essentially donate $100 for their effort. The response I have gotten is that's boring or not right now. Same individual will later ask to borrow $20.00... I am not sure of what you call this, but lazy comes to mind...
 
The Saw said:
Steve,

You probably should have written the original post differently, in a manner where it wouldn't leave the the players identity open for conjecture. Everyone has read "He lives locally", "a 20 minute drive across town" and can easily see in the right hand corner of your post that you live in "Location: Columbus, Ohio". Since Cory moved to Fla. that only leaves 4 players "whose name would be easily recognized by all if mentioned" that you can possibly be talking about. As you know, I am very good friends with all of them. My whole point in posting is that most here can easily guess who three of the four are, the fourth would be recognizable but most wouldn't associate his name with Columbus. Peoples heads out there are spinning wondering who the player you are talking about is. Now, since you brought it to everyones attention, you may as well "out" whoever it is and save the other three from looking like greedy, pompous dirtbags! Piss one off and vindicate the three others.....

Kirk

Kirk, the rest of the world doesn't have the foggiest idea of who he is talking about. I even sent him some rep for not outing the player. And for that matter, he might not live in Columbus even if that's what it says. Bottom line is I don't think any harm has been done unless he reveals the player. Just my $.02.

JoeyA
 
There are several great comments on this thread

It is easy to act that way when you're not playing with your own bankroll. Several so-called big money players have backers, so they can act like $2,000.00 is not a big deal, and they only get $1,000.00 if they win.

slop stroke is right, the same person will try to borrow $40.00 tomorrow after he goes broke playing cards....action is action I guess
 
just a little side note as discussed yesterday,straight from larry "i have offered stevie the 8 on the big table,yea i would like to play stevie". there ya go for all who where interested.
 
Ok...Ok...I'll out the player. It was Fast Larry Guninger. He moved up that way. Sorry Larry....but you're going to have to settle for $2000 action, and not $20,000.00.
 
dimes33 said:
just a little side note as discussed yesterday,straight from larry "i have offered stevie the 8 on the big table,yea i would like to play stevie". there ya go for all who where interested.


If he gives Stevie the 8 in Athens this weekend then I will bet at least $1000 even though I won't even be there to sweat all of the set.
 
corvette1340 said:
If he gives Stevie the 8 in Athens this weekend then I will bet at least $1000 even though I won't even be there to sweat all of the set.
im not sure how you would get that bet down if you will not be there but im sure you can get action if you could stop in long enough to post up and then go do what you needed to do until later.
 
AWWWWWWthe pooor pro pool player.................


whatever.............. gamble a years salary at min wage (20k) in one session and you give up any right what so ever to ***** and moan about pros not being able to make a living ....
 
dimes33 said:
im not sure how you would get that bet down if you will not be there but im sure you can get action if you could stop in long enough to post up and then go do what you needed to do until later.

No, I will be there during the tourney. I will just most likely go out with everyone that night. And I would have it no other way than to post up even if I'm not going to be there during the match. I don't trust anyone I don't know, especially in a pool hall.
 
I dont understand

I guess I see this from a different perspective. I really don't understand some of the thought processes behind playing for money. I have many of those same guys that play pool in my room. They will be out of work, on disability, retired or living in their girlfriends basement and will turn down $50 games because its not worth thier time? Then two days later they need to borrow $5 for lunch at McDonalds, or cigarrettes because they are broke. I just don't get it. They only want to play for $100 or $200 or $500. But if they lose then they are that much more in debt. So you wouldnt rather be $50 in debt than $500??:confused: Like I said, I just don't get it. I have never been a gambler and have no desire to do it. But the mental point of view towards it has baffled me since I was about 10 or 11 years old. I remember guys playing pool for $500 a set back in the early 70's. Those were exciting matches to watch because there was actual value at stake. I guess everyone would like to race to 7 for a million dollars with some cripple....but is that really ever gonna happen? $2000 a set still seems like a ton of money to a profession that complains about being broke all the time. :confused:
I cannot remember the last time I made $2000 in a couple hours....oh wait...NEVER!!!
 
The Saw said:
Steve,

You probably should have written the original post differently, in a manner where it wouldn't leave the the players identity open for conjecture. Everyone has read "He lives locally", "a 20 minute drive across town" and can easily see in the right hand corner of your post that you live in "Location: Columbus, Ohio". Since Cory moved to Fla. that only leaves 4 players "whose name would be easily recognized by all if mentioned" that you can possibly be talking about. As you know, I am very good friends with all of them. My whole point in posting is that most here can easily guess who three of the four are, the fourth would be recognizable but most wouldn't associate his name with Columbus. Peoples heads out there are spinning wondering who the player you are talking about is. Now, since you brought it to everyones attention, you may as well "out" whoever it is and save the other three from looking like greedy, pompous dirtbags! Piss one off and vindicate the three others.....

Kirk

Hi Kirk

I was thinking peoples heads are spinning wondering who the B player is ;-)

Seriously though, maybe the player wants to be in the kind of action that people would get juiced up about on this forum. Maybe he wants to be in the kind of action that he himself could get juiced up about, Maybe he wants to be in the kind of action that's going to get cell phones and text messages and emails buzzing. Call me a romantic, but maybe, just maybe, you guys are failing to understand the same kinda stuff that Charlie failed to understand about Eddie Felson.


...

When I'm goin', when I'm really goin', I feel like a, like a jockey must feel when he's sittin' on his horse, he's got all that speed and that power underneath him, he's coming into the stretch, the pressure's on him - and he knows. He just feels, when to let it go and how much. 'Cause he's got everything workin' for him - timing, touch. It's a great feeling, boy - it's a real great feeling - when you're right and you know you're right. Like all of a sudden, I got oil in my arm. Pool cue's part of me. You know, it's a - pool cue, it's got nerves in it. It's a piece of wood; it's got nerves in it. You can feel the roll of those balls. You don't have to look. You just know. You make shots that nobody's ever made before. And you play that game the way nobody's ever played it before.
 
Who cares?

The Saw said:
Steve,

You probably should have written the original post differently, in a manner where it wouldn't leave the the players identity open for conjecture. Everyone has read "He lives locally", "a 20 minute drive across town" and can easily see in the right hand corner of your post that you live in "Location: Columbus, Ohio". Since Cory moved to Fla. that only leaves 4 players "whose name would be easily recognized by all if mentioned" that you can possibly be talking about. As you know, I am very good friends with all of them. My whole point in posting is that most here can easily guess who three of the four are, the fourth would be recognizable but most wouldn't associate his name with Columbus. Peoples heads out there are spinning wondering who the player you are talking about is. Now, since you brought it to everyones attention, you may as well "out" whoever it is and save the other three from looking like greedy, pompous dirtbags! Piss one off and vindicate the three others.....

Kirk
Does it really matter who it was. I've heard players talk like this for years. I don't know why everyone acts so surprised. Just because someone plays well, it doesn't mean they are not full of B.S. The guy obviously had no intention of playing, and when he was told there was a possible 2K score in the house, he acted like he was above playing for that. The fact is he probobly did not have 2K on him.
 
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