NOTICE TO: ABP, American Billiard Professionals. from the Maxim Billiards Tour

pros in amateur events

There was a time , not long ago , when the greatest amateur event in all of sports existed . It was called "The Olympics"
Then one year the United States got tired of losing "The Olympics" , and decided to send "The Dream Team" , composed of their finest professional athletes , who proceded to domiinate the event. Any pretense of "The Olympics" being an amateur event ended that year.:frown:

I praise the Maxim tour for deciding to maintain the integrity of their "amateur" event.:cool:
 
To each his own I would rather having played in the US Amateur two times get to play Rodney Morris, Mike Davis ,Johnny Archer or Earl Strickland than Joe Smuck or a local I play with all the time for my entry fee in a U S Open or big tournament. Yeah you do lose to all of them and a lose is a lose but what do you learn. I think you should be able to learn more from playing with Jack Nickalaus ,Kenny Perry or Anthony Kim in Golf than Joe Smuck. Course management(table demeanor) Shot selection when to lay up(play safe) or when to go for the green in two (offense ) ect . ect. TV and spectators alike would rather see two heavy hitters coming down the streach in a golf tournament final round or finals of a golf or Tennis tournament than Joe smuck against Tiger, or Nadal against Joe smuck or Rodney Morris against Joe Smuck
 
Banned from Amateur Events

From the MaximBilliards.com FB site: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Maxim-Billiards-Classic-Tours/181991678498009

List of Players Barred From Participation in MaximBilliards.com Amateur Events.
This is not a complete list but it is all players under the rules as stated from other sources per Rule #5 at http://mxmbilliards.com//tour/aarules.htm

This list has been expanded to include UPA and ABP professionals
This list also includes some players barred for conduct reasons.

Alessandro Torrenti
Alex Pagulayan
Allan Hawkins
Allen Cathers
Allen Hopkins
Allison Fisher
Amanda Lampert
Andreas Roschkowsky
Andrew Dudman
Andrew Shaw
Angel Geigel
Angel Paglia
Anna Kostanian
Antonio Gabica
Antonio Lining
Art Wiggins
Arturo Hernandez
Asia Cycak
Austin Murphy
Bart Frazier
Bashar Hussain
Belinda Campos-Calhoun
Ben Zimmer
Bill Dunsmore
Bill Ferguson
Bill Incardona
Bill Mccollum
BJ Ussery
Blaine Sell
Bob Falber Jr.
Bobby Lewis
Bobby McGrath
Branden Ashcraft
Brandon Shuff
Brian Brekke
Brian Davis
Brian White
Brittany Bryant
Bruno Muratore
Buddy Hall
C. J. Bailey
Cario Dalmatin
Carlo Biado
Caroline Pao
Chad Bross
Chad Hefke
Chang Jung Lin
Charles Blank
Charles Bryant
Charlie Bryant
Charlie Williams
Che-Wei Fu
Chia-Ching Wu
Chieh-Yu Chou
Ching-Shun Yang
Chris Lynch
Chris Melling
Chris Orme
Chris Szuter
Christian Reimering
Chuck Beth
CJ Wiley
Cliff Joiner
Corey Deuel
Corey Harper
Cory Deuel
Craig Osborne
Craig Riley
Dan Wallace
Daniel Cossitt
Daniel Wallace
Danny Basavich
Darren Appleton
Daryl Peach
David Alcaide
David Gross
David Hemmah
David Hernandez
David Krolick
Dawn Hopkins
Dean Goddard
Debbie Schjodt
Del Smith
Dennis Coulter
Dennis Haar
Dennis Hatch
Dennis Orcollo
Dennis Orcullo
Dennis Orender
Denver Barger
Dimitri Jungo
Donnie Mills
E.J. Glode
Earl Strickland
Efren Reyes
Eric Martisius
Eric Smith
Erik Hjorliefson
Ernesto Dominguez
Evan Broxmeyer
Ewa Laurance
Fabio Petroni
Fong-Pang Chao
Francessco Tomati
Francico Felicilda
Francisco Bustamante
Francisco Bustamente
Frank Alvarez
Frankie Hernandez
Gabe Owen
Gandy Valle
Ga-Young Kim
Gene Albriecht
George Faigen
George SanSouci
Gerda Hofstatter
Gjon Dedvukaj
Glen Coutts
Guy Falkinburg
Hajato Hijikata
He Wen Li
Heather Lloyd
Helena Thornfeldt
Henry Tyler
Hsiao-Chi Lin
Hsin Huang
Huidjie See
Hunter Lombardo
Imran Majid
Iris Ranola
Ivaylo Petrov
Ivica Putnik
J. A. Tony
Jack Maginnis
James Barraks
James Boch
James M. Baraks
James Roberts
Jasmin Ouschan
Jason Klatt
Jason Miller
Jeanette Lee
Jeff Beckley
Jeff Crawford
Jeff Hughes
Jeff Ripley
Jeffrey De Luna
Jeffrey Grizzle
Jennifer Barretta
Jennifer Chen
Jeremy Jones
Jeremy Sossei
Jesse Engel
Jesse Rice
Jian-Bo Fu
Joanne Ashton
Joe Rushinski
Joe Tucker
Joey Korsiak
Johathan Smith
John Brumback
John Caldwell
John J. Troy
John Kutcharo
John Kutcher
John Martin
John Morra
John Schmidt
Johnny Archer
Jonathan Bivens
Jonathan Demet
Jonathan Pinegar
Jose Garcia
Jose Parica
Joseph Mejia
Joseph Portera
Josh Ulrich
Joshua Terry
Joven Alba
Jui-Lung Chen
Julian Gallant
Julie Kelly
Jundal Mazon
Jundel Mazon
Jung-Lin Chang
Justin Daniels
K. Schermerhorn
Kai Lun Hsu
Karen Corr
Karl Boyes
Keith Bennett
Kelly Fisher
Kent Baker
Keun Sup Lee
Kevin Buckley
Kim Davenport
Kim Shaw
Kim White
Ko Pin-Yi
Konstantin Stepanov
Kuo Po-Cheng
Kyoko Sone
Lance Salazar
Larry Guninger
Larry Nevel
Larry Phlegar
Laura Smith
Lee Chenman
Lee Van Corteza
Line Kjoersvik
Liu Haitao
Liz Ford
Loree Jon Jones
Louis Ulrich
Luc Salvas
Manny Chau
Marc Vidal
Marcus Chamat
Mark Cantrill
Mark Davidson
Mark Finkelstein
Mark Gray
Mark Mills
Mark Stanley
Mark Stephenson
Mark Whitehead
Marlan Manalo
Marlon Manalo
Martin R. Rimlinger
Mary Rakin
Matt Krah
Max Eberle
Max Eberly
Megan Smith
Melissa Herndon
Melissa Little
Michael Arden
Michael Aro
Michael Hill
Michael Ricciardella
Michael Tosado
Michael Yednak
Mika Immonen
Mike Davis
Mike Dechain
Mike Dechaine
Mike Fuller
Mike Gulyassy
Mike Massey
Mike Robinson
Mike Sigel
Mitch Phelps
Miyuki Sakai
Monica Webb
Moreno Krajevic
My-Hanh Lac
Myke Muñoz
Neil Fujiwara
Nguyen Phuc Long
Nick Van Den Berg
Nick Varner
Nicole Keeney
Niels Feijen
Oliver Medenilla
Oliver Ortmann
Oscar Dominguez
Pamela Cimarelli
Pat Luna
Patrick Rodriguez
Paul Brodell
Paul Potier
Paul Song
Pei-Chun Tsai
Pete Kelly
Pin-Yi Ko
Quinten Hann
Rachael Abbink
Rafael Martinez Chavez
Raj Hundal
Ralf Souquet
Ralph Eckert
Randy Jaragoske
Randy Whitehead
Ray Robles
Raymond Gray
Raymund Faraon
Richard Broumpton
Ricky Bingham
Ricky Yang
Rob Hart
Rob Saez
Robb Saez
Robert Jude
Robert Laurie
Robert Staskowski
Roberto Gomez
Rocky Lane
Rodney Morris
Rodolfo Luat
Ron Park
Ronnie Alcano
Ronnie Wiseman
Rubilen Amit
Ryan Silcox
Sandor Tot
Santos E. Sambajon
Santos Sambajon
Sarah Ellerby
Sarah Rousey
Scott Frost
Scott Higgins
Sha Sha Liu
Shane Sinnott
Shane Van Boening
Shane Winters
Shannon Daulton
Shaun Wilkie
Shawn Marzulli
Shawn Putnam
Shin Park
Shin-Mei Liu
Shu-Han Chang
Si Meng Chen
Sparky Ferrell
Stefano Palinga
Stephan Cohen
Steve Lillis
Stevie Moore
T.F. Whittington
Takhti Zarekani
Tamara Rademakers
Thomas Engert
Thomas Teschner
Thorsten Hohman
Thorsten Hohmann
Tiffany Nelson
Tim Hall
Tom Drapeau
Tommy Kay
Tommy Kennedy
Tommy Najar
Tommy Tokoph
Tony Chohan
Tony Crosby
Tony Drago
Tony Robles
Tony Watson
Tracie Majors
Troy Frank
Val Finnie
Vilmos Foldes
Vinancio Tanio
Vincent Facquet
Vivian Villarreal
Walter Glass
Warren Kiamco
Wayne Catledge
Wayne Graves
Xiao-Fang Fu
Xiao-Ting Pan
Yang Ching-Shun
Young Hwa Jeong
Yousseff Jalal
Yu Long Zhang
Yu Ram Cha
Yuan-chun Lin
Yukio Akakariyama

If you believe your name appears in error on this list please contact Mike Janis by email at maximtour@yahoo.com
 
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WOW, by my count there is about 365 players on that list that can not play in Amateur events. Somebody should tell Barry Berhman that if the 41 players from the ABP don't show up he still has over 320 players listed right here that might want to play in the US Open.

I'm gonna post this in the ABP thread......

From the MaximBilliards.com FB site: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Maxim-Billiards-Classic-Tours/181991678498009

List of Players Barred From Participation in MaximBilliards.com Amateur Events.
This is not a complete list but it is all players under the rules as stated from other sources per Rule #5 at http://mxmbilliards.com//tour/aarules.htm

This list has been expanded to include UPA and ABP professionals
This list also includes some players barred for conduct reasons.

Alessandro Torrenti
Alex Pagulayan
Allan Hawkins
Allen Cathers
Allen Hopkins
Allison Fisher
Amanda Lampert
Andreas Roschkowsky
Andrew Dudman
Andrew Shaw
Angel Geigel
Angel Paglia
Anna Kostanian
Antonio Gabica
Antonio Lining
Art Wiggins
Arturo Hernandez
Asia Cycak
Austin Murphy
Bart Frazier
Bashar Hussain
Belinda Campos-Calhoun
Ben Zimmer
Bill Dunsmore
Bill Ferguson
Bill Incardona
Bill Mccollum
BJ Ussery
Blaine Sell
Bob Falber Jr.
Bobby Lewis
Bobby McGrath
Branden Ashcraft
Brandon Shuff
Brian Brekke
Brian Davis
Brian White
Brittany Bryant
Bruno Muratore
Buddy Hall
C. J. Bailey
Cario Dalmatin
Carlo Biado
Caroline Pao
Chad Bross
Chad Hefke
Chang Jung Lin
Charles Blank
Charles Bryant
Charlie Bryant
Charlie Williams
Che-Wei Fu
Chia-Ching Wu
Chieh-Yu Chou
Ching-Shun Yang
Chris Lynch
Chris Melling
Chris Orme
Chris Szuter
Christian Reimering
Chuck Beth
CJ Wiley
Cliff Joiner
Corey Deuel
Corey Harper
Cory Deuel
Craig Osborne
Craig Riley
Dan Wallace
Daniel Cossitt
Daniel Wallace
Danny Basavich
Darren Appleton
Daryl Peach
David Alcaide
David Gross
David Hemmah
David Hernandez
David Krolick
Dawn Hopkins
Dean Goddard
Debbie Schjodt
Del Smith
Dennis Coulter
Dennis Haar
Dennis Hatch
Dennis Orcollo
Dennis Orcullo
Dennis Orender
Denver Barger
Dimitri Jungo
Donnie Mills
E.J. Glode
Earl Strickland
Efren Reyes
Eric Martisius
Eric Smith
Erik Hjorliefson
Ernesto Dominguez
Evan Broxmeyer
Ewa Laurance
Fabio Petroni
Fong-Pang Chao
Francessco Tomati
Francico Felicilda
Francisco Bustamante
Francisco Bustamente
Frank Alvarez
Frankie Hernandez
Gabe Owen
Gandy Valle
Ga-Young Kim
Gene Albriecht
George Faigen
George SanSouci
Gerda Hofstatter
Gjon Dedvukaj
Glen Coutts
Guy Falkinburg
Hajato Hijikata
He Wen Li
Heather Lloyd
Helena Thornfeldt
Henry Tyler
Hsiao-Chi Lin
Hsin Huang
Huidjie See
Hunter Lombardo
Imran Majid
Iris Ranola
Ivaylo Petrov
Ivica Putnik
J. A. Tony
Jack Maginnis
James Barraks
James Boch
James M. Baraks
James Roberts
Jasmin Ouschan
Jason Klatt
Jason Miller
Jeanette Lee
Jeff Beckley
Jeff Crawford
Jeff Hughes
Jeff Ripley
Jeffrey De Luna
Jeffrey Grizzle
Jennifer Barretta
Jennifer Chen
Jeremy Jones
Jeremy Sossei
Jesse Engel
Jesse Rice
Jian-Bo Fu
Joanne Ashton
Joe Rushinski
Joe Tucker
Joey Korsiak
Johathan Smith
John Brumback
John Caldwell
John J. Troy
John Kutcharo
John Kutcher
John Martin
John Morra
John Schmidt
Johnny Archer
Jonathan Bivens
Jonathan Demet
Jonathan Pinegar
Jose Garcia
Jose Parica
Joseph Mejia
Joseph Portera
Josh Ulrich
Joshua Terry
Joven Alba
Jui-Lung Chen
Julian Gallant
Julie Kelly
Jundal Mazon
Jundel Mazon
Jung-Lin Chang
Justin Daniels
K. Schermerhorn
Kai Lun Hsu
Karen Corr
Karl Boyes
Keith Bennett
Kelly Fisher
Kent Baker
Keun Sup Lee
Kevin Buckley
Kim Davenport
Kim Shaw
Kim White
Ko Pin-Yi
Konstantin Stepanov
Kuo Po-Cheng
Kyoko Sone
Lance Salazar
Larry Guninger
Larry Nevel
Larry Phlegar
Laura Smith
Lee Chenman
Lee Van Corteza
Line Kjoersvik
Liu Haitao
Liz Ford
Loree Jon Jones
Louis Ulrich
Luc Salvas
Manny Chau
Marc Vidal
Marcus Chamat
Mark Cantrill
Mark Davidson
Mark Finkelstein
Mark Gray
Mark Mills
Mark Stanley
Mark Stephenson
Mark Whitehead
Marlan Manalo
Marlon Manalo
Martin R. Rimlinger
Mary Rakin
Matt Krah
Max Eberle
Max Eberly
Megan Smith
Melissa Herndon
Melissa Little
Michael Arden
Michael Aro
Michael Hill
Michael Ricciardella
Michael Tosado
Michael Yednak
Mika Immonen
Mike Davis
Mike Dechain
Mike Dechaine
Mike Fuller
Mike Gulyassy
Mike Massey
Mike Robinson
Mike Sigel
Mitch Phelps
Miyuki Sakai
Monica Webb
Moreno Krajevic
My-Hanh Lac
Myke Muñoz
Neil Fujiwara
Nguyen Phuc Long
Nick Van Den Berg
Nick Varner
Nicole Keeney
Niels Feijen
Oliver Medenilla
Oliver Ortmann
Oscar Dominguez
Pamela Cimarelli
Pat Luna
Patrick Rodriguez
Paul Brodell
Paul Potier
Paul Song
Pei-Chun Tsai
Pete Kelly
Pin-Yi Ko
Quinten Hann
Rachael Abbink
Rafael Martinez Chavez
Raj Hundal
Ralf Souquet
Ralph Eckert
Randy Jaragoske
Randy Whitehead
Ray Robles
Raymond Gray
Raymund Faraon
Richard Broumpton
Ricky Bingham
Ricky Yang
Rob Hart
Rob Saez
Robb Saez
Robert Jude
Robert Laurie
Robert Staskowski
Roberto Gomez
Rocky Lane
Rodney Morris
Rodolfo Luat
Ron Park
Ronnie Alcano
Ronnie Wiseman
Rubilen Amit
Ryan Silcox
Sandor Tot
Santos E. Sambajon
Santos Sambajon
Sarah Ellerby
Sarah Rousey
Scott Frost
Scott Higgins
Sha Sha Liu
Shane Sinnott
Shane Van Boening
Shane Winters
Shannon Daulton
Shaun Wilkie
Shawn Marzulli
Shawn Putnam
Shin Park
Shin-Mei Liu
Shu-Han Chang
Si Meng Chen
Sparky Ferrell
Stefano Palinga
Stephan Cohen
Steve Lillis
Stevie Moore
T.F. Whittington
Takhti Zarekani
Tamara Rademakers
Thomas Engert
Thomas Teschner
Thorsten Hohman
Thorsten Hohmann
Tiffany Nelson
Tim Hall
Tom Drapeau
Tommy Kay
Tommy Kennedy
Tommy Najar
Tommy Tokoph
Tony Chohan
Tony Crosby
Tony Drago
Tony Robles
Tony Watson
Tracie Majors
Troy Frank
Val Finnie
Vilmos Foldes
Vinancio Tanio
Vincent Facquet
Vivian Villarreal
Walter Glass
Warren Kiamco
Wayne Catledge
Wayne Graves
Xiao-Fang Fu
Xiao-Ting Pan
Yang Ching-Shun
Young Hwa Jeong
Yousseff Jalal
Yu Long Zhang
Yu Ram Cha
Yuan-chun Lin
Yukio Akakariyama

If you believe your name appears in error on this list please contact Mike Janis by email at maximtour@yahoo.com
 
There was a time , not long ago , when the greatest amateur event in all of sports existed . It was called "The Olympics"
Then one year the United States got tired of losing "The Olympics" , and decided to send "The Dream Team" , composed of their finest professional athletes , who proceded to domiinate the event. Any pretense of "The Olympics" being an amateur event ended that year.:frown:

I praise the Maxim tour for deciding to maintain the integrity of their "amateur" event.:cool:

What about the Russian hockey players? I think that was a little before the dream team.
 
This was just recently posted to the FB account of the tour.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Maxim-Billiards-Classic-Tours/181991678498009

NOTICE TO: ABP, American Billiard Professionals. As of July 31st all Professional Player Members of the ABP will be barred from participation in any of our Amateur events on the Maxim Billiards Amateur Tour. The simple fact is that if you think and you state you are a Professional Pool/Billiard Player we will respect your decision to be known as a Pro.

This ruling will not affect any supports or other membership categories of the ABP just the Professional Player Members as they have listed here: http://www.azbilliards.com/2000storya.php?storynum=8882 or on the ABP website. If your names appers on any one of these lists we suggest you make a decision as to your eligibility and contact the Maxim Billiards Tour and or the ABP to confirm or retract your name from the list we have been given. All ABP Professional Player Members will still be eligible to play in our Open events.
Most of those guys make a lot of money robbing small tours and tournaments. Most of the players on that list could not win the US Open if their lives depended on it.
 
Most of those guys make a lot of money robbing small tours and tournaments. Most of the players on that list could not win the US Open if their lives depended on it.

... and you don't have to have your name on any list to be turned away from amateur events. It is always at the discretion of the TD - which really sucks when you're in that gray area.
 
... and you don't have to have your name on any list to be turned away from amateur events. It is always at the discretion of the TD - which really sucks when you're in that gray area.


I think the Maxim Tour has done a great job in trying to get rid of that GREY AREA but yes the tour does currently have that rule in place as mentioned here: http://mxmbilliards.com//tour/aarules.htm

If you fall into any of the above categories the Maxim Billiard "Open" 9-Ball Tour is the division for you. Additionally, who may and who may not play in the Amateur division is at the sole discretion of the director at the event or the Maxim Billiard 9-Ball Tour office staff. If you have any questions regarding your eligibility please email the Maxim Billiard 9-Ball Tour at maximtour@yahoo.com at least 14 days prior to the event you wish to compete in. If you do not fall into any of the above categories the Maxim Billiard Amateur 9-Ball Tour is your ticket to success.

However, I very much like how the rules are spelled out in detail and the fact that you can simply email the tour and confirm if you can or can not play prior to an event you want to play in. I believe that given the changing status's of the players from week-2-week this is a very good system the tour has.

The tour uses there own player stats as a data base + they cross reference the info with the AZB lists and use simple web searches when researching the unknown players or the players in the grey area.
 
Yep, Most drive Jaguars , Have nice houses. f.... Really LOL

But when you are putting on a tournament and get 21 players instead of 50 because some pros show up it make a big difference. True, people will get a kick out of seeing them play but they won't donate a $100.00 to just be a punching bag. It can be a real judgment call as to what is the most beneficial to your tournament. You even see this in local very small bar tournaments. I went to one a few week ago and they had like 30 players most who could not play very well. A few of the better local players showed up, I didn't play by the way I just went to hang out. By week three the tournament was supposed to start at 8pm and they delayed starting trying to get players, they had 6 signed up. People are not interested in just being suckers, not even for a measly $10.00. That is a common experience by many guys trying to put on tournaments, that is just reality.


I should add, there is a way around it though. I used to put on tournaments every month with "NO" entry fee first 32 signed up day of the tournament were in. What I did was have side pots for the players to enter in. I put up $300 for the tournament and the better players could put up more money and got paid for the best finish in the pot they were in. It was not unusual for the side pots to be a few thousand or more if some of the better players felt like pumping it up. So in other words Joe blow can play Jimmy Reid for nothing yet Jimmy Reid and the other pros have their own separate tournament going on within the tournament. I remember one night we had some really good players in and they did a $500.00 side pot for themselves. There was like $4000.00 in it. You can structure it so everyone can have fun and maybe even make a few bucks. We also had a side put for the weak players, pros barred, as well The guy who came in 10th may win a few hundred if he was the best finisher in the pot.
You have to be creative you want everybody to have fun. You don't put on tournaments to just be arguing with people.
 
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I think the Maxim Tour has done a great job in trying to get rid of that GREY AREA but yes the tour does currently have that rule in place as mentioned here: http://mxmbilliards.com//tour/aarules.htm

If you fall into any of the above categories the Maxim Billiard "Open" 9-Ball Tour is the division for you. Additionally, who may and who may not play in the Amateur division is at the sole discretion of the director at the event or the Maxim Billiard 9-Ball Tour office staff. If you have any questions regarding your eligibility please email the Maxim Billiard 9-Ball Tour at maximtour@yahoo.com at least 14 days prior to the event you wish to compete in. If you do not fall into any of the above categories the Maxim Billiard Amateur 9-Ball Tour is your ticket to success.

However, I very much like how the rules are spelled out in detail and the fact that you can simply email the tour and confirm if you can or can not play prior to an event you want to play in. I believe that given the changing status's of the players from week-2-week this is a very good system the tour has.

The tour uses there own player stats as a data base + they cross reference the info with the AZB lists and use simple web searches when researching the unknown players or the players in the grey area.

I know, I talked to Mike this morning about the grey area. In most of those gray area situations, the TD is left in the position to make the decision that is best for his event. Once somebody objects to me playing, I'm pretty much screwed - no matter what rules you look at.

Personally, I have no problem playing in the open division. I don't have a snowball's chance in hell, but I know that's where I should be playing.
 
Once somebody objects to me playing, I'm pretty much screwed - no matter what rules you look at.

That is ABSOLUTELY NOT the rule on the Maxim Tour and I have personally seen this come up time after time. Janis does not listen to objections on players ability from anyone unless they are backed up by player stats. It is that simple. Your stats as a player in his rules speak for themselves. No and's if's or butt's about it.

Personally, I have no problem playing in the open division. I don't have a snowball's chance in hell, but I know that's where I should be playing.

David, have you won any event or even cashed in any events in the last 5 years ??? Nothing personal but me thinks you need to check your ego at the door. I could not find any player stats on you for the last 5 years. Unless you are playing under a different name. Are you, have you been playing under a different name or am I missing something here?
 
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This was just recently posted to the FB account of the tour.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Maxim-Billiards-Classic-Tours/181991678498009

NOTICE TO: ABP, American Billiard Professionals. As of July 31st all Professional Player Members of the ABP will be barred from participation in any of our Amateur events on the Maxim Billiards Amateur Tour. The simple fact is that if you think and you state you are a Professional Pool/Billiard Player we will respect your decision to be known as a Pro.

This ruling will not affect any supports or other membership categories of the ABP just the Professional Player Members as they have listed here: http://www.azbilliards.com/2000storya.php?storynum=8882 or on the ABP website. If your names appers on any one of these lists we suggest you make a decision as to your eligibility and contact the Maxim Billiards Tour and or the ABP to confirm or retract your name from the list we have been given. All ABP Professional Player Members will still be eligible to play in our Open events.
I am from the ABP. The ABP stands for Association for Billiard Professionals not American Billiard Professionals. It has been all over the news and you still get it wrong.
 
I am from the ABP. The ABP stands for Association for Billiard Professionals not American Billiard Professionals. It has been all over the news and you still get it wrong.

Sorry about that. I will try to correct that in the future when referring to the ABP - Association for Billiard Professionals. My bad.
 
I am from the ABP. The ABP stands for Association for Billiard Professionals not American Billiard Professionals. It has been all over the news and you still get it wrong.

All over the news!!! Must have missed that at 10:00 last night. Was it on c.b.s.,or nbc. you guys really do take yourselves a little to serious.
 
That is ABSOLUTELY NOT the rule on the Maxim Tour and I have personally seen this come up time after time. Janis does not listen to objections on players ability from anyone unless they are backed up by player stats. It is that simple. Your stats as a player in his rules speak for themselves. No and's if's or butt's about it.

David, have you won any event or even cashed in any events in the last 5 years ??? Nothing personal but me thinks you need to check your ego at the door. I could not find any player stats on you for the last 5 years. Unless you are playing under a different name. Are you, have you been playing under a different name or am I missing something here?

Ego? I'm just expressing my opinion that there are players that exist in the gray area. Where the hell did that come from?

I'm not using a different name, and no I haven't cashed or even played in quite some time, but I was still turned away from a qualifier for a professional event 2 years ago. Go figure. To this day it remains a mystery to me as to why - perhaps it was BS politics, who knows?

That type of response to my comments is typical to what is wrong with the entire pool world. I express an opinion, and you make insinuations about my character, which was brought up because of what? There was no reason for that - but you felt it necessary to do it anyway. I don't really play anymore, so it was pointless, but WTF, you thought you'd toss that out there anyway.

:rolleyes:

There has been a lot of rock tossing and posturing all week long. All of this nonsense is reflective of the game of pool and it's current condition. We have players boycotting - promoters responding - chatter here - chatter there - toss a grenade and run for cover. The pool world is one big joke.

Professional player? Where is there a professional tour? All I see is a bunch of regional tours. In North America, professional pool player means high level amateur. Skateboarders have their shitt together better than we do.

Banned list for players? Boycotts? All this proves is that nobody can get along. It's all posturing and throat slashing. What an accomplishment!

The industry won't start or even support a pro tour. Why is that? They don't trust anybody!

We have an entire generation of young pool players that are paying for the decisions that people made 20-25 years ago. Is anybody trying to fix that, or are we content with all these regional tours that run in 42 different directions with resources that should be directed towards building something better than what they are comfortable with?

It's a friggin' hamster's wheel constructed by the hamsters themselves.

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The promoters that put up the cash -or- raise cash for the events that players play in - how do the players give back to them - or is it just take - take - take?

I know the answer to that, and it's a big part of the problem.

We are in this situation because our game is dysfunctional. It is the end result of a severe lack of leadership, along with the inability for some people to get the hell out of the way of progress.

We can ban each other, boycott each other, flip each other off, accuse each other of this or that, its all a giant waste of time and energy. It's also childish and embarrassing. This is the reason why nobody will toss a dime our way. Can you blame them?

I don't.

We can sit here and point fingers at each other all day long - but this mess is everybody's fault. Everybody is losing, and until we pull our heads out of our asses and take care of the ROOT PROBLEMS -EFFECTIVELY... we will all continue to lose.
 
Amateur Events.

Go get um mike .A solid amateur event with no ball or game spot is great. No pro players, have a open ,an open is open to anyone to play. About time someone is going to make playing fun and a equal chance to win. 64 players showing up and knowing everyone can play at the same level. Make it winners break. If its 4 to 4 and you win .Break um.Why give up the break on the hill. Keep it up my man ,viking tour was the strongest out there at one time. I retired but I'll be there for YOUR TOURNAMENTS> Rich Ford aka the skunk.
 
I am from the ABP. The ABP stands for Association for Billiard Professionals not American Billiard Professionals. It has been all over the news and you still get it wrong.

The more I see this the more egotistical, eliteist, and arrogant you sound. How Ironic it would be if the room owners and fans decided to boycott any events, videos, or anything you had involvement with. Then what, what are you without the fans and rooms in this small industry. You guys need to start acting like professionals if ever expect to create what your goal is.
 
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