Noticed a trend with cues for sale...

Cue Guru

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I realized something today, that maybe others have or have not noticed, but I felt compelled to bring it to everyones attention.

A few minutes ago I was looking at a cue for sale here made by a maker I respect.

While reading the ad, I noticed a great deal of effort and detail regarding the number and shape of inlays, veneer colors and other details clearly shown in the photos.

However, what bothered me was the lack of mechanical (for lack of a better term) detail. How long is the cue? Where is the balance point of the butt alone, and of the assembled cue? What are the ferrule diameters? What type of tips? Some ads don't even have a weight listed for the entire cue! Any details I CANNOT gather from looking at the pictures that might be relevant? Now, this does not apply to all ads, and the more established sellers have been down this road already, and are quite good in this regard, but I think it would be great if more people did this (and it might increase sales too!)

I understand the whole 'collector' angle, and how a cue looks and who made it is more important than how it actually plays, or would play (in the case of un-chalked cues). However for me, if I'm looking at a cue by maker XYZ, I'm looking because I am looking for an instrument to play the game of pocket billiards with, not to fill my safe with yet another item that sits dormant. I can relate to the fact that not everyone who might be selling a cue has the dial calipers and precision balance to accurately collect this information, but an estimate ("weighs about the same as my 19.5 oz Joss") seems like a reasonable compromise. At least then, you would not buy a cue way heavier than you are accustomed to for example.

Maybe this qualifies as a rant, but I think it would be a great service to potential buyers if all the information possible were presented. Particularly in light of the fact that we are often talking about several thousand dollars for a cue from a 'known' maker.

Is this unreasonable? Perhaps the for sale section (which may be segregated somewhat in the near future perhaps?) could include a 'questionnaire' for the seller to fill in to the best of their ability to try and collect the relevant details, with a 'notes' section for other details such as "made with a John Davis blank" or what ever might not be obvious from the pictures.
 
not everybody lists all the specs. some don't even list pics. if you have a specific question... ask it.
 
You are right!

I really like your idea with the standardized form/questionaire.
Of course on voluntary basis, but i bet the buyers will love it.

IMHO to provide quality sales in this forum, this would take it to the next level.

Nossi
 
Not unreasonable, but there are sure a lotta things people might want to know...hard to bat 1000.

I agree. This is why I suggested the 'standard form' which would guide the seller into providing as much information as they can, as accurately as possible. It could also be used in a search function, so if you only want to look at 57" cues for example, it would be able to easily filter it that way.

not everybody lists all the specs. some don't even list pics. if you have a specific question... ask it.

Of course! This would not replace buyer-seller interaction at all. If I'm serious about a multi-thousand-dollar cue, I'm going to be asking a lot of questions. However, I'm sure a lot of sellers will be glad to be rid of a lot of 'tire-kickers' who want info, but do not have the means to purchase...

You are right!

I really like your idea with the standardized form/questionaire.
Of course on voluntary basis, but i bet the buyers will love it.

IMHO to provide quality sales in this forum, this would take it to the next level.

Nossi

I think so too. It will take some effort on the part of the moderators to set it up, and effort on the part of the sellers to use the functions provided, but if that is done, it will be a very nice experience moving forward for the buyers and sellers in my opinion.
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Cue Guru, you make good points.......buyers have hot buttons, and if you skip over their hot button in an advert, many people will just skip it go onto the next one....

Personally, I always look for three things.....good pictures, a price, and weight....if all 3 are not listed, I go on to the next cue.....not saying it's right, but when you are selling a cue, too much information trumps not enough....

I have bought 2 or 3 cues from Martin/jazznpool.....I may or may not have gotten the "best" deal, but I got EXACTLY what he advertised for an agreed upon price.....the details made the sale easy and it avoided any miscommunication....

IMHO, your post is right on point....a good for sale post with great pictures and details on the cue will help buyers sell more cues for more money....
 
I think the idea benefits both the buyer and seller for exactly the reasons you listed.

If you are buying a used car, there are quite a few questions you could/should ask. And, in the case of a collector car, certain details are more significant than others. The more information you have as a buyer, the higher the comfort level. Otherwise, you have to wonder: "Is the seller hiding something, or does he simply not know the amswer?"

My idea would not replace proper interaction, and an additional "Notes" section is imperative, but the general idea is sound and, as I said, benefit the buyer and seller both.
 
I would suspect that the reason for this is more associated with THE reason that the seller originally bought the cue.

If they bought it because of its aesthetics (sp?), they will highlight that when they sell it.

If they bought it more because of its playability, they would emphasize the physical aspects of the cue.

..... I think.
 
You may have nailed it there...

I was just thinking that even if it's the most beautiful cue, it needs to perform a job as well.

Therefore I think both form and function are important to a potential buyer. Maybe they just want to own an XYZ cue and never plan to play with it anyway (so the mechanics don't matter) but there is a chance that the buyer is looking for their player cue too...

Just thinking out loud here...
 
I've mentioned this several times. Over 90% of cues sold are playing cues. They need to list specs on the cue. I pass them buy if specs are not listed. Things like weight, joint type, shaft diameter, balance point and length. If I ask for shaft and butt diameter (which I do) I expect an exact answer. If I don't get and exact answer, I pass.

A smart buyer will not by a cue without some detail. In this market it pays to give all the info you can to help sell your cue.

Rod
 
I like the idea, especially with refined search capabilities.

I've been looking into buying a cue recently, with a limited budget. I've always read that I could get more cue for my money from the AZ forums than buying new. Then I spent a LOT of time wading through page after page of cues for sale, with virtually all of them being sold for a much higher price than I can budget for right now.

A search function that used your form, and allowed to search by price (or any other desired attribute) would be incredibly helpful, especially given the high number of entries in the for sale section. I wonder how many other people here are like me and stop browsing the for sale section after a while because of the difficulty digging through it all.

Hopefully it's easy enough to implement that your idea gets real consideration.
 
Well, lets see what happens.

Hopefully something we can all live with will come out of this.

Maybe we should start a list of search-able specifications? I'm not sure how that might work; if you searched by EXACT weight (for example) you may get no hits; however if you had a range, it might pick up a few things.

I see no reason why it couldn't be broken down further, say forearm wood, point wood, wrap type etc. It can get as complex as you might want.

One down side I see is if you were searching for cues with a leather wrap, and someone did not specify in their listing it had a leather wrap, would it come up in your search, or be passed over? In other words, the search engine will have to be able to add anything without something specified in the searched field as well as listing the matching items from that field. Follow? It might be too complex to get it going well if everyone does not fill all fields to the best of their ability (of course if that is the case those people will not come up in searches either, so it pays to be detailed).

For me, I am not very comfortable with a 58" (or 60" for that matter) cue, so I am always on the lookout for 59's as they come along. This is an example of criteria I might filter by...
 
I realized something today, that maybe others have or have not noticed, but I felt compelled to bring it to everyones attention.

A few minutes ago I was looking at a cue for sale here made by a maker I respect.

While reading the ad, I noticed a great deal of effort and detail regarding the number and shape of inlays, veneer colors and other details clearly shown in the photos.

However, what bothered me was the lack of mechanical (for lack of a better term) detail. How long is the cue? Where is the balance point of the butt alone, and of the assembled cue? What are the ferrule diameters? What type of tips? Some ads don't even have a weight listed for the entire cue! Any details I CANNOT gather from looking at the pictures that might be relevant? Now, this does not apply to all ads, and the more established sellers have been down this road already, and are quite good in this regard, but I think it would be great if more people did this (and it might increase sales too!)

I understand the whole 'collector' angle, and how a cue looks and who made it is more important than how it actually plays, or would play (in the case of un-chalked cues). However for me, if I'm looking at a cue by maker XYZ, I'm looking because I am looking for an instrument to play the game of pocket billiards with, not to fill my safe with yet another item that sits dormant. I can relate to the fact that not everyone who might be selling a cue has the dial calipers and precision balance to accurately collect this information, but an estimate ("weighs about the same as my 19.5 oz Joss") seems like a reasonable compromise. At least then, you would not buy a cue way heavier than you are accustomed to for example.

Maybe this qualifies as a rant, but I think it would be a great service to potential buyers if all the information possible were presented. Particularly in light of the fact that we are often talking about several thousand dollars for a cue from a 'known' maker.

Is this unreasonable? Perhaps the for sale section (which may be segregated somewhat in the near future perhaps?) could include a 'questionnaire' for the seller to fill in to the best of their ability to try and collect the relevant details, with a 'notes' section for other details such as "made with a John Davis blank" or what ever might not be obvious from the pictures.

You can't get people to get the shaft diameters accurately, and you want balance point to? lol Now these guys need micrometers, a tape measure and a scale to sell a cue. (if the scale wasn't digital you'ld really be screwed)

JV
 
Most of these guys are Flippers trying to sell a cue for more than they paid for it. The others are trying to sell off dog crap cues that won't play a darn. I won't buy any! JMO
 
Here it is:(add as you see fit)
Specs
tip name -
tip dia - ##.#mm
ferrule material -
ferrule length -
Shaft dia at 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24 inches -
Shaft material -
Joint dia(at cut line) -
Shaft weight -
Shaft length -
Shaft description -

Butt description - Woods/Materials used, type, style, is white ivory, etc
Butt dia at C, D ring locations and center of gripping area -
Bumper type -
Finnish details, if known -
Butt weight -
Total Cue Weight -

Complete damage description - Warp, chips, dents, dings, rub marks, anything you will not remove, played, unplayed, unchalked

Pics
Tip pic - Tip + 4" of shaft
Whole shaft 3/4 view - for viewing taper
Joint tightened for play
Butt 3/4 views from butt and joint directions
Wrap seam
Forearm, straight on
Signature up close
Butt sleeve straight on
Bumper + 1" with name, if there
Pic of JP's assembled to the cue
Any damage which can be viewed in pics. . .

Try to diffuse your lighting sources and use many directions of lighting, all behind you or off to the side.

Price
What will you trade for
Payments
Deposit to hold, in case a buyer needs a month to put it all together. . .like 25% or something
returns??
Other restrictions like need itrader or Ebay rating, etc,
Payment methods accepted
Escrow deal ok?

Shipping info
Where will you not ship? This is a worldwide site. . .If you won't ship to i.e. Afganistan, say so.
Responsibility for loss

Best way to contact

I probably missed something, so add on!!

Oh yea and you must put "HITS A TON" in the description for us to know how it hits. My favorite is unplayed. . .HITS A TON!
 
That's a great start. Most will not be able to fill in all the blanks, and for a $100.00 cue sale, I would not expect more than weight, tip diameter, a pic and if it's straight or not.

However, if considering a Gus Szamboti for example, these details might weigh a bit more importantly.

The fields would not be 'required' so a seller could fill in what they are able to. And although calipers are rather cheap these days, sellers may not want to invest in them.

For those people, I suggest going to IKEA and grabbing a free tape measure they have all over the store. Wrap it around the ferrule, joint etc. and divide this measurement by pi. If it's 1-5/8 around the ferrule, that is 1.625. Divide by pi for .517 times 25.4 (to convert to mm) and you get a very accurate 13.14mm tip diameter. You don't need a caliper to get accurate measurements, just use what you have available. Plus an inexperienced user of a dial caliper can easily score an ivory ferrule, or use it out of parallel which also causes inaccuracy... This method can be used all up and down the cue with ease, and it's free.

A postal scale (even digital) is quite inexpensive these days, but everyone should be able to use a triple-beam balance from high school science class. Rather cheap at garage sales these days (and super-accurate). 1 gram is equal to 0.03527 oz. if you scale does not have both units...
 
It is funny you talk about postal scales! I actually take my cue bits to the post office to weigh for free!
 
Resurecting this thread. I have no looked at the for sale section in months, but I guess this idea died...:frown:
 
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