now this is a great shot an position :D
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Woah! Settle down man. We're discussing a shot here, not street brawling. lol
Anyway, you called the shot 'routine'. Routine for whom? The top 5 players in the world at the time? Something that is easy for the top echelon of players does not qualify as easy by common standards. And after all, the shot is being discussed by the forum, not by the worlds best. As such, the level of difficulty reflects the average player here. For 99.999% of players on this forum, the shot is nearly impossible.
And yes, I see Mika do crazy shit all the time. Like Corey's shot, I respect and acknowledge the level of difficulty. I don't just say "oh, that's routine" and belittle his level of skill.
If these shots were so easy, we'd be seeing them a lot more often in TV matches. However players don't shoot them because they are very low percentage shots. Why are they low percentage? Because they are extremely difficult. And difficult to top pros means extremely difficult to us average Joes.
Clearly you guys are all soon-to-be World Champions so I'll just sit back and watch you raise the ratings on televised pool this year by pocketing low-percentage power-draw shots during every innings because they're so easy.
(I'm kidding guys - Just poking fun
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beautiful shot...but i have to say i thought we all did it,i dont think its hard with the angle he had
No way on this earth I would say that was an easy shot. What I'm saying is it's not that impressive considering the following:
1. Perfect table conditions with slick new cloth.
2. Nice, shiny, balls, which I don't doubt one bit have a layer of wax on them.
3. .....and this one is the most important, a young, top tier pro player.
But again, far from being an easy shot for the average Joe.
As for other pros, I wouldn't doubt one bit that Earl, Johnny, Mika, Ralf etc... could pull that right off.
As for the situation he was under, sorry, that is what those guys do for a living. The pressure Corey Duel is under at the US Open and the pressure one of us would be under isn't even comparable. Your basketball comparison was perfect, yeah, I can make tons of free throws all day long. Put me in a stadium with 10k people watching and screaming, yeah, I'd probably not even get close to the rim. Michael Jordan surely wouldn't feel it like I would though. That's his job.
MULLY
1. Perfect table conditions with slick new cloth.
2. Nice, shiny, balls, which I don't doubt one bit have a layer of wax on them.
3. .....and this one is the most important, a young, top tier pro player.
But again, far from being an easy shot for the average Joe.
As for other pros, I wouldn't doubt one bit that Earl, Johnny, Mika, Ralf etc... could pull that right off.
As for the situation he was under, sorry, that is what those guys do for a living. The pressure Corey Duel is under at the US Open and the pressure one of us would be under isn't even comparable. Your basketball comparison was perfect, yeah, I can make tons of free throws all day long. Put me in a stadium with 10k people watching and screaming, yeah, I'd probably not even get close to the rim. Michael Jordan surely wouldn't feel it like I would though. That's his job.
MULLY
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I'm sure you read this whole thread mully, so this should come as no suprise. In the spirit of how this thread has progressed:
I'm gonna need you make this shot,collect it on video, and add it to the interwebs so I can see it.
Anything otherwise is simply unacceptable.
Thanks, Tball
You run right over here with a great table and put a nice slick cloth, speed cushions, clean waxed balls, not to mention lights all around the table to heat the bed of the table up, and I'll be right on it. There is no way in hell I can make that shot bend like that on the tables I have access to. I'm sure I can draw to the side rail and back up table though, just won't have that fancy arc to it like everyone is so gaga over. I'm willing to bet that Corey wouldn't be able to get that arc on a table that has had plenty of use to it either.
MULLY
If I understand you correctly, you're saying that the shot isn't as impressive because he had the right conditions and equipment to make the shot feasible. I can understand that perspective, and respect it.
I think the exact opposite though. I feel the shot is so difficult that it could only be executed in it's dramatic fashion under specific conditions, during the year when Corey was playing at his best. In my opinion, this makes it unique, and even more impressive.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not against the fact that you think the shot isn't insanely impressive. That's fine. I'm merely arguing the fact that it was called "easy" and "routine" by a few others.
Anyway, I think this concludes my contribution to this fiasco. Cheers. :grin:
Mully, I hope my post read in the spirit it was written...it was a little jab at the video it or it didn't happen crowd.
Fwiw I could get back to the five with draw with most attempts I believe....but I would not shoot it with draw....much easier to chase the four uptable....
Hope your well,
Edited to add it is indeed a fabulous looking shot with spectacular results. The big bend does indeed make it look sweet as hell.
Fwiw I could get back to the five with draw with most attempts I believe....but I would not shoot it with draw....much easier to chase the four uptable....
Hope your well,
Edited to add it is indeed a fabulous looking shot with spectacular results. The big bend does indeed make it look sweet as hell.
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It was a great shot. My feeling is that even Cory was a tad surprised by how much he got on that shot.
I think when he stroked it, he got even deeper on the CB than he intended by a tad and it really took off. You can almost hear the cue tip at the limit of low outside draw when he hit it.
Great shot and perhaps not so easy even for Cory to duplicate at will.
I think when he stroked it, he got even deeper on the CB than he intended by a tad and it really took off. You can almost hear the cue tip at the limit of low outside draw when he hit it.
Great shot and perhaps not so easy even for Cory to duplicate at will.
i'm so fast i can dodge bullets!!!!!!!!!!!!.
now, maybe it's true and maybe it isn't but at one point everyone's going to say those magic words....."prove it"
Ok player....
But let me ask...can you get back to the 5 with draw?
I wouldn't try it in a game situation...but I think I could more often then not...dunno, gotta try it.
But let me ask...can you get back to the 5 with draw?
I wouldn't try it in a game situation...but I think I could more often then not...dunno, gotta try it.
nope........................ if you think you can more often then not i'd bet against you
this is f**kin ridiculous..
it's an awesome shot. period.
Corey tried to do it again while we were at hammerheads in Tampa one day and he tried 3 times and got the funky arc but missed the ball every time. he didnt have his cue so he shot with a predator shaft on a schon and didnt like it.
i also remember him losing that game on that video, missing the 9, i may be wrong.
for the people that think the shot was nothing special; go back to the videos where corey jumps a full ball to draw down table against ralf souquet, when he won the us open, say thats pretty easy too. or the jump he put on efren's kick safety, its all on youtube.
for those who see nothing special about the shot.. here's another view: it's only special when you do it at the right place at the right time. sh*t i can draw the life outta that dirty cue ball when nobody's shootin back at me. let alone the player of the freakin' decade at us mf open on TV spankin table.
i'm just sayin.
it's an awesome shot. period.
Corey tried to do it again while we were at hammerheads in Tampa one day and he tried 3 times and got the funky arc but missed the ball every time. he didnt have his cue so he shot with a predator shaft on a schon and didnt like it.
i also remember him losing that game on that video, missing the 9, i may be wrong.
for the people that think the shot was nothing special; go back to the videos where corey jumps a full ball to draw down table against ralf souquet, when he won the us open, say thats pretty easy too. or the jump he put on efren's kick safety, its all on youtube.
for those who see nothing special about the shot.. here's another view: it's only special when you do it at the right place at the right time. sh*t i can draw the life outta that dirty cue ball when nobody's shootin back at me. let alone the player of the freakin' decade at us mf open on TV spankin table.
i'm just sayin.
If I understand you correctly, you're saying that the shot isn't as impressive because he had the right conditions and equipment to make the shot feasible. I can understand that perspective, and respect it.
I think the exact opposite though. I feel the shot is so difficult that it could only be executed in it's dramatic fashion under specific conditions, during the year when Corey was playing at his best. In my opinion, this makes it unique, and even more impressive.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not against the fact that you think the shot isn't insanely impressive. That's fine. I'm merely arguing the fact that it was called "easy" and "routine" by a few others.
Anyway, I think this concludes my contribution to this fiasco. Cheers. :grin:
Yeah, man, I'd never say it's an "easy" shot, but, as my stance on this has been since the beginning, for a pro player to do it with the great table, slick cloth etc..., I'm not jumping up and down on that "FANTASTIC" shot he made. Accu-Stats has a highlights video with an Efren section that impresses me much more.
MULLY
it has the WOW factor,i think he hit it a bit better than was even needed for that shot but when your hitting em good it happens...gold crown and 860 and a knowledge of the stroke....hardest part is making the ball i feel
In the interest of honesty I gave this a few goes after my last post this morning. While I had marginal (at best) results with cb shape....I had absolutely awful results when it came to pocketing the 4. I mean retarded monkey/door knob orgy kinda bad.
I was completely cold and had been working all night...so maybe it would be a little better if I were fresh and had some time at the table.....sure as hell can't get much worse.
At any rate.... my position has changed....I don't think I can get back with draw more often then not...at least not without losing my turn at the table.
Poolplayer, you would have been betting smart.
Cheers,
I was completely cold and had been working all night...so maybe it would be a little better if I were fresh and had some time at the table.....sure as hell can't get much worse.
At any rate.... my position has changed....I don't think I can get back with draw more often then not...at least not without losing my turn at the table.
Poolplayer, you would have been betting smart.
Cheers,
Good honest post!
I thought the added difficulty on this shot was the fact that he was up against the far rail and had to jack up a bit.
I also remembered reading a quote about corey saying he actually tried to follow through with his body to get a little extra snap through the cue ball.
I was personally impressed by how he rifled such a long shot into a tight diamond Pro-am pocket at warp speed with a power draw stroke jacked up against the end rail.
Then again, when the cue ball start dancing around the table, I usually get a little excited.
btw...I remember a few different personal responses to this shot when it was first posted on Youtube a few years ago. I don't recall anyone doing it much justice.
I also remembered reading a quote about corey saying he actually tried to follow through with his body to get a little extra snap through the cue ball.
I was personally impressed by how he rifled such a long shot into a tight diamond Pro-am pocket at warp speed with a power draw stroke jacked up against the end rail.
Then again, when the cue ball start dancing around the table, I usually get a little excited.
btw...I remember a few different personal responses to this shot when it was first posted on Youtube a few years ago. I don't recall anyone doing it much justice.
I don't think he had any outside on it because it comes off the rail relatively straight until it curves. Pure draw I think. But nicotesla saw him try it in person, so I'm curious as to what he saw.
In any event, a remarkable stroke shot, I don't care what anybody says.
In any event, a remarkable stroke shot, I don't care what anybody says.