has anyone tried fitting one of these on a Schon? I received mine from Ozone this weekend and it fits fine on the butt end, but after a turn or two on the shaft end, it tightens up. I don't want to strip the threads so I didn't force it on. wondering if it's something with their joints in particular. I ordered the 5/16x14.
Okay who oredered a Balance Rite Extension in the past few days
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Here is my Balance Rite extension.
I sanded the finish off then spray painted with flat black. I really like how it came out. I decided to go with flat paint vs gloss and not even try to make it match the shiny phenolic and be slightly off. It has a texture to it too that I like.
I was surprised how much it changes the balance to the cue. At least 2 inches forward I'm guessing. I understand though because not only are you adding weight but you are increasing the length of the lever arm.
The cue also pings a little now too.
Takes some getting used to however. To me it feels like shooting with a totally new cue.
I sanded the finish off then spray painted with flat black. I really like how it came out. I decided to go with flat paint vs gloss and not even try to make it match the shiny phenolic and be slightly off. It has a texture to it too that I like.
I was surprised how much it changes the balance to the cue. At least 2 inches forward I'm guessing. I understand though because not only are you adding weight but you are increasing the length of the lever arm.
The cue also pings a little now too.
Takes some getting used to however. To me it feels like shooting with a totally new cue.
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But in addition to weight it also adds length.
I think your point assumes the length of the players bridge increases the same amount of the extension.
I didn't say anything about the players bridge. I'm talking about balancing the cue on your finger for example. If you add weight on either side the balance point shifts in that direction. And I agree adding length (increasing the lever arm) shifts the balance as well.
See my post above yours.
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I got one yesterday for my jacoby and it will not fit the shaft. The brass nipple will not seat. I called the people I got it from and they said they stated I'm the site it would not fit a schon and now they have to add Jacoby to the list. Lol. Guess I will try something different. Mine also said made in China. I thought someone in the us made them.
Here is my Balance Rite extension.
I sanded the finish off then spray painted with flat black. I really like how it came out. I decided to go with flat paint vs gloss and not even try to make it match the shiny phenolic and be slightly off. It has a texture to it too that I like.
I was surprised how much it changes the balance to the cue. At least 2 inches forward I'm guessing. I understand though because not only are you adding weight but you are increasing the length of the lever arm.
The cue also pings a little now too.
Takes some getting used to however. To me it feels like shooting with a totally new cue.
Thanks for posting a pic of it painted, it looks so much better. Now I know what I'll be doing this afternoon, need to get the sandpaper out.
Looks good against a steel or ivory joint. Didn't care for it on another cue with a black phenolic joint.
I have to warn you though the paint from the can gives a smell for a couple days even when it's dry.
I had a similar issue. I have 3/8-10 that has a shoulder on it, so I just bored out the first 1/4 inch on the Balance Rite female end. The threads still work for any other 3/8-10 butt I have.
The issue is the male end I guess.
My facts are not wrong. You are not simply adding weight in front of the balance point.
It would be one thing if you were to add lead tape in front of the balance point. That would increase the density at that point and the weight would be more forward.
You are extending the length of the cue. Most of that added length is behind your grip. Think of it this way ... What if you added a 24" extension at the joint? wouldn't most of that 24" be behind your grip?? Do you think that would be front-heavy? Not at all.
Where you add the extension makes no difference to the shooter unless the material is much denser than the material the rest of the cue is made of.
If you add a 6" extension in the joint area of a 59" cue, balance point will perhaps move forward by about 3" measured from the bottom of the cue, but it will have moved back about 3" from the tip of the shaft back (which is what really matters when you're playing!).
I have sold a few of the balance-rite extensions. Tall players like them because they can now move their grip back to where they feel more comfortable and for THEM the balance point does indeed move forward .. but only because their grip has moved back.
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is the same definition of balance point being used?
Balance point is the point, where if you put the cue on a fulcrum, it would stay level. the weight to the left is equal to the weight of the right.
Adding an extension, front or back, is going to change that. think of a jack with a short handle vs a jack with a long handle.
Extensions have mass and on earth we have gravity therefore extensions have weight. considering balance points in simplest terms of lever and fulcrum...the fulcrum must move to maintain balance if the lever is made longer or more weight is added to lever. Where the weight is added affects how much the fulcrum must move.
Imagine a 10 foot level resting on a fulcrum. the balance point is 5' from the right end and 5' from the left end. now, add two feet to left end. the balance point does not remain 5' feet from the right end, the balance point moves to 6' feet from the right end. now, imagine the same lever and fulcrum, but one end has more weight (like the butt of a pool cue does). The fulcrum is not center, but shifted more to the butt end. if you add length and weight, distance from the old balance point and amount weight is added (and the extra length) does affect how much the balance point moves and which direction relative to original position of the balance point. cues are not uniform weight. Also, when stroking a cue, there are two fulcrums used to balance the cue. The bridge hand and the grip hand. Adding an extension in the middle balances the extra weight more uniformly between these two because it is between the two fulcrums. Adding an extension to the rear (behind one of the fulcrums) means more work is needed by the rear fulcrum and very little by the front to maintain balance. This is assuming that the fulcrums do not move and distance between grip and bridge is definded by the person's stroke.
Balance point is the point, where if you put the cue on a fulcrum, it would stay level. the weight to the left is equal to the weight of the right.
Adding an extension, front or back, is going to change that. think of a jack with a short handle vs a jack with a long handle.
Extensions have mass and on earth we have gravity therefore extensions have weight. considering balance points in simplest terms of lever and fulcrum...the fulcrum must move to maintain balance if the lever is made longer or more weight is added to lever. Where the weight is added affects how much the fulcrum must move.
Imagine a 10 foot level resting on a fulcrum. the balance point is 5' from the right end and 5' from the left end. now, add two feet to left end. the balance point does not remain 5' feet from the right end, the balance point moves to 6' feet from the right end. now, imagine the same lever and fulcrum, but one end has more weight (like the butt of a pool cue does). The fulcrum is not center, but shifted more to the butt end. if you add length and weight, distance from the old balance point and amount weight is added (and the extra length) does affect how much the balance point moves and which direction relative to original position of the balance point. cues are not uniform weight. Also, when stroking a cue, there are two fulcrums used to balance the cue. The bridge hand and the grip hand. Adding an extension in the middle balances the extra weight more uniformly between these two because it is between the two fulcrums. Adding an extension to the rear (behind one of the fulcrums) means more work is needed by the rear fulcrum and very little by the front to maintain balance. This is assuming that the fulcrums do not move and distance between grip and bridge is definded by the person's stroke.
I think everyone is using the same definition. It's the reference point that isn't consistent.
Freddie <~~~ it moves to the left from the right and the right from the left
Where you hold the cue does not change the balance point on a cue. How and where you hold a cue changes how it feels to you but the balance point stays the same.
The balance point is that exact spot where you have equal weight on either side. If you add weight (and moreso length) on one side the balance point moves to that same side.
Balance the cue on a ball for example. Now add an extension to the joint. Keeping the ball in the same spot, will the shaft end tip down or the butt end tip down? You will have to move the ball forward (towards the tip) or backwards (towards the bumper) to find the exact balance again. Which direction do you move the ball?
Just so you have your antagonist's viewpoint, take a look at your photo in your signature. If you add the extension to the middle of the cue, consider that you by theory don't change your bridge length or grip position in space (which is one of the main reasons for butt grabbers to add the extension), doesn't the balance point move backward?
From the reference point of the balance point, adding weight in front of it move the balance point forward, as your saying. But that forward distance might be a backward direction with respect to your grip and bridge.
That's what he's saying. There is a length consideration and respective hand positioning in play here.
Freddie
Like I said in my post where and how we hold the cue affects how it feels to us but the bapance point on the cue is still the same.
This is simple guys ... the longer the cue, the more rear-weighted its going to feel, unless you change the distance between the tip and grip. Try adding a 12" extension anywhere , shoot with an open bridge and see if that tip doesn't fly up on you!
The exception is very tall players who need the additional length in order to move their grip further back.
If balance points were measured from the tip back (the way they should be), we wouldn't be having this discussion. Whenever I buy a cue, I ask for the balance point of the butt measured from the joint face back since I don't know exactly how long the butt is to begin with and I also have a feel for what will happen to the balance point when I add shafts of different weights.
I have also discovered that sometimes the best way to increase weight and move the the balance point of a cue forward is to get a shaft of heavier weight. The weight difference is distributed evenly through the shaft and no increase in length. Going from a 3.3oz shaft to a 4.3oz shaft will move the balance point forward by a whole inch! If you already have a 4.5oz shaft and the cue feels heavy in the rear, you probably need a different cue. BTW, I take trades
Its not that the extensions don't help some people ... it just helps for the opposite reason that many people think!
The exception is very tall players who need the additional length in order to move their grip further back.
If balance points were measured from the tip back (the way they should be), we wouldn't be having this discussion. Whenever I buy a cue, I ask for the balance point of the butt measured from the joint face back since I don't know exactly how long the butt is to begin with and I also have a feel for what will happen to the balance point when I add shafts of different weights.
I have also discovered that sometimes the best way to increase weight and move the the balance point of a cue forward is to get a shaft of heavier weight. The weight difference is distributed evenly through the shaft and no increase in length. Going from a 3.3oz shaft to a 4.3oz shaft will move the balance point forward by a whole inch! If you already have a 4.5oz shaft and the cue feels heavy in the rear, you probably need a different cue. BTW, I take trades
Its not that the extensions don't help some people ... it just helps for the opposite reason that many people think!
Forget I said anything .
If you add and extension to a cue and for example the balance point moves from 19 inches from the butt to 21 inches from the butt, the balance point will remain at 21 inches from the butt no matter who's is holding the cue or where you hold the cue. Sure a player who likes to have a bridge of 6 inches will perceive it different from someone who has a 12 inch bridge but the balance point is still at 21 inches.
Should we then say balance point is at 21 inches when I hold it with a short bridge but then when I shoot with a longer bridge the balance point is at 19? If someone asked you to measure where a cue's balance point is how do you measure it then?
The cue by itself, will balance like a seesaw on a fulcrum on one point only. Find that spot where it is perfectly horizontal and you have found your balance point. It is independent of how it feels in your hand..
Should we then say balance point is at 21 inches when I hold it with a short bridge but then when I shoot with a longer bridge the balance point is at 19? If someone asked you to measure where a cue's balance point is how do you measure it then?
The cue by itself, will balance like a seesaw on a fulcrum on one point only. Find that spot where it is perfectly horizontal and you have found your balance point. It is independent of how it feels in your hand..
Sorry, I type slow and wasn't really done when I hit sent.
I am not discounting the fact that adding weight and length may change where we hold the cue and that affects one's perception of balance but that's not necessarily the definition of "balance point." Call it perceived balance or something else because the true balance point is that physical point along the length of the cue where there is equal weight on either side that you could balance it on a pin.
To say that adding an extension no matter if it's at the joint or at the butt will still move the balance point rearward because you now are holding the cue different is a bit misleading.
I am just arguing the definition of "balance point."