One Pocket Break

What about banking it off the long rail into the rack freezin the cue ball into the rack or right next to it.
Yes, there is that shot, but remember you must still drive a ball to the rail or it's a foul. It's not that effective in getting balls in play on your side of the table and it's not that hard to escape from. It looks good when it works but it can also be a disaster when it doesn't work. You must hit the pack just right to make it work for you. Grady was the best at shooting this opening break shot.
 
Interestingly enough no one is talking about the various alternate One Pocket breaks where the corner ball will never leak out. Instead of trying to make a thin hit on the head ball and fuller hit on the second ball, try this same break on the second and third balls in the rack and also on the third and fourth balls and finally on the fourth and fifth balls. When your break is not working move down the rack and you will find a sweet spot to break from. Try it, you'll like it! ;)
The lack of chatter on the subject doesn't surprise me. The tighter the break the less to shoot the more crafty the requirements. I for one despise the intentionals. lol
 
Ahh...the never ending bet.

Good bet, if you can find someone to take the other side.

Meanwhile- in the real wold- if you want to take Danny's 24 and bet Alex or Dennis can't beat that....well, I know a guy who might have their phone#s.
When you play a guy, who ever wins the first game is the winner? That's a new concept. Regarding what I said about Jays bet, yes going to 45 the player will go broke no matter who he is.
 
What about banking it off the long rail into the rack freezin the cue ball into the rack or right next to it.
As insane as it may sound, playing one pocket on a bar table. That was the break they would use. I watched Steve Cook play some big dollar one pocket on a bar table, have no idea why there was a pool room right down the street and that was how both players broke. This was with the big bar cueball.
 
As insane as it may sound, playing one pocket on a bar table. That was the break they would use. I watched Steve Cook play some big dollar one pocket on a bar table, have no idea why there was a pool room right down the street and that was how both players broke. This was with the big bar cueball.
There is a danger of losing the ball - especially the big ball. If that happens it's bye bye that game.
 
You are a lucky man
Your wife obviously loves pool to remember that 👍
At times she spent more time around the pool room then I did. She was a good player but never even picks up a cue now. She used to play with Danny and he would show her stuff so she remembers better. She is also younger then me and has a better memory anyway. We watched the video of Danny and Crane the other night, we had seen it before.
She knows the moves, in fact she went to one of Gradys one pocket tournaments in Colombia SC without me to watch. She used to like one pocket. I think in many ways one pocket may be a game that suits women.
 
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When you play a guy, who ever wins the first game is the winner? That's a new concept. Regarding what I said about Jays bet, yes going to 45 the player will go broke no matter who he is.
Now 45 is the number to beat?

Your position changed from 24->25->45!

Fuggit. Bring a large stack if you want to bet Alex or Dennis can't get to 9 on a given rack...over and over again.

Both will drop dead if you bet long enough.
 
Now 45 is the number to beat?

Your position changed from 24->25->45!

Fuggit. Bring a large stack if you want to bet Alex or Dennis can't get to 9 on a given rack...over and over again.

Both will drop dead if you bet long enough.
They have to do it in sets of 5 for a total of 45 each set.
By the way, who is going to be covering these imaginary bets?
 
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They have to do it in sets of 5 for a total of 45 each set.
By the way, who is going to be covering these imaginary bets?
I have $25 in my pocket, let's see if they'll do $5 a set, should be some cheap entertainment! ;) Watching pros up close is much better than going to the movie theater.🙂
 
I have $25 in my pocket, let's see if they'll do $5 a set, should be some cheap entertainment! ;) Watching pros up close is much better than going to the movie theater.🙂
I have DVD's of pros making 50+ on my website. You want to see how it's done, okay.
 
Very interesting. Does that seem to work for you?
No.
I watched him play one pocket on u tube and saw exactly where he broke from and tried and it was a disaster for me.
Maybe I hit too hard or soft.
I did it once gambling and decided I needed to practice it before using it again.
 
John Schmidt claims to have had a 72 in five racks of one pocket shoot out in practice.

Nick Varner used to try 34 or so depending on the table. He was said to be one of the strongest at shootout. Here are some of his stats from an earlier post:

Below is a summary of 404 racks that Varner shot in Redwood City between July 1994 and January 1996. This was for 93 "sets" of five racks, but is not 5x93 because a set might end early (14 + 7 +10 and out for 31 in three racks) or be abandoned as impossible (-1 +1 +1 [abandoned] -- both examples happened). I also noted in which racks Varner scratched, but that is not shown below. He scratched on the break roughly half the time. The listing gives "Score" and "Times" which shows how many times out of 404 racks a particular single-rack score happened. This much play took about 15 hours for something like 2-3 minutes per rack.

Score Times

-1 2 **
0 44 ********************************************
1 39 ***************************************
2 33 *********************************
3 36 ************************************
4 38 **************************************
5 34 **********************************
6 22 **********************
7 23 ***********************
8 22 **********************
9 21 *********************
10 20 ********************
11 16 ****************
12 13 *************
13 20 ********************
14 14 **************
15 7 *******
--------
404
 
John Schmidt claims to have had a 72 in five racks of one pocket shoot out in practice.

Nick Varner used to try 34 or so depending on the table. He was said to be one of the strongest at shootout. Here are some of his stats from an earlier post:

Below is a summary of 404 racks that Varner shot in Redwood City between July 1994 and January 1996. This was for 93 "sets" of five racks, but is not 5x93 because a set might end early (14 + 7 +10 and out for 31 in three racks) or be abandoned as impossible (-1 +1 +1 [abandoned] -- both examples happened). I also noted in which racks Varner scratched, but that is not shown below. He scratched on the break roughly half the time. The listing gives "Score" and "Times" which shows how many times out of 404 racks a particular single-rack score happened. This much play took about 15 hours for something like 2-3 minutes per rack.

Score Times

-1 2 **
0 44 ********************************************
1 39 ***************************************
2 33 *********************************
3 36 ************************************
4 38 **************************************
5 34 **********************************
6 22 **********************
7 23 ***********************
8 22 **********************
9 21 *********************
10 20 ********************
11 16 ****************
12 13 *************
13 20 ********************
14 14 **************
15 7 *******
--------
404
John Schmidt claims to have made 72 in five racks (that would be all 14's and 15's) and Babe Cranfield claimed to have run 768 in Straight Pool and I claim that I walked on the Moon. When I hear stuff like this it makes me question Schmidts 626 even more.
 
They have to do it in sets of 5 for a total of 45 each set.
By the way, who is going to be covering these imaginary bets?
This is like that joke...12$ for a steak dinner? 11$ is too much for that, Ii don't know if it is worth 10$.

24 started our dialog. It went to 25 understandably and now it is up to 45.

I opined 24 would be a losing score- easily- by a Dennis or Alex. They will gamble at +25. All night long and they carry cash.

Sounds like a bump to 45 would be more like a 2-1 bet. That might even get some play.
 
John Schmidt claims to have had a 72 in five racks of one pocket shoot out in practice.

Nick Varner used to try 34 or so depending on the table. He was said to be one of the strongest at shootout. Here are some of his stats from an earlier post:

Below is a summary of 404 racks that Varner shot in Redwood City between July 1994 and January 1996. This was for 93 "sets" of five racks, but is not 5x93 because a set might end early (14 + 7 +10 and out for 31 in three racks) or be abandoned as impossible (-1 +1 +1 [abandoned] -- both examples happened). I also noted in which racks Varner scratched, but that is not shown below. He scratched on the break roughly half the time. The listing gives "Score" and "Times" which shows how many times out of 404 racks a particular single-rack score happened. This much play took about 15 hours for something like 2-3 minutes per rack.

Score Times

-1 2 **
0 44 ********************************************
1 39 ***************************************
2 33 *********************************
3 36 ************************************
4 38 **************************************
5 34 **********************************
6 22 **********************
7 23 ***********************
8 22 **********************
9 21 *********************
10 20 ********************
11 16 ****************
12 13 *************
13 20 ********************
14 14 **************
15 7 *******
--------
404
Did Nick Varner take ball in hand or play from where the cue ball lay when you recorded these stats?
 
Did Nick Varner take ball in hand or play from where the cue ball lay when you recorded these stats?
Varner only got ball in hand behind the line when he scratched. Otherwise it was played from the leave. He played that the scratch did not end his turn, but did cost a ball.
 
Yes, there is that shot, but remember you must still drive a ball to the rail or it's a foul. It's not that effective in getting balls in play on your side of the table and it's not that hard to escape from. It looks good when it works but it can also be a disaster when it doesn't work. You must hit the pack just right to make it work for you. Grady was the best at shooting this opening break shot.
Jay is exactly right about everything in his post! And he and Grady were not best friends-but Jay is honest & says it how it was. Grady was the best at a mediocre shot.

HOW ABOUT THOSE APPLES?🍎🍎

Best,
Fatboy
 
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