Here's another possibility - it should be easy to stick the CB to the 5 and possible to put the 3 on your side of the table:
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Well that would be genius Lenny,if your confident with the cueball.I would be paranoid of scratching.However,I can see stunning the cueball squarely into the 10.Now that would be world class! If you actually pulled it off,it would turn out to be quite an offensive shot.And from this postion,an offensive shot looks impossible.Wiggling looks like my first instinct hereFast Lenny said:I would shoot into the 12 and that would combo the 11 of the 15 into the 1 6 combo,moving a ball the my hole and perhaps making it while also stunning the cue ball off the 12 and hopefully leaving the cue ball by his hole where he cant play the 10 ball,that would be my shot,the 6 looks like it might go.
I think Freddy would disagree with you......LOLCornerman said:
I love his commentary
Even if you pull the shot off Patrick,you will be in a world of trouble after the next shot.He will have so many traps to choose from.Think about it.Patrick Johnson said:
Freddy wholeheartedly believes in intentional scratches.I don't know that he would agree with me on this shot.He may agree with you and JR.I was just thinking out loud...Cornerman said:
I see you didn't read my post. Freddy wouldn't disagree with my post.Onepocket73 said:Freddy wholeheartedly believes in intentional scratches.I don't know that he would agree with me on this shot.He may agree with you and JR.I was just thinking out loud...
Again, I figured you were trying to show a shot that led to an intentional scratch. Please read my post again. Then look at Patrick Johnson's new thread/post (shot after the break with no path for the cueball to the opponent's pocket). In Patrick's, an intentional into the pack is a good play.
Fred <~~~Freddy knows that I know that he knows that I know...
Playing into the 10 is fine too even if you bump into at the speed your supposed to it shouldnt disturb it much,your hitting that combo pretty firmly and alot of the energy should be gone and then the cueball should drift and die towards the pocket.It would be my shot,the only thing else i could see doing is fouling intentionally.Onepocket73 said:Well that would be genius Lenny,if your confident with the cueball.I would be paranoid of scratching.However,I can see stunning the cueball squarely into the 10.Now that would be world class! If you actually pulled it off,it would turn out to be quite an offensive shot.And from this postion,an offensive shot looks impossible.Wiggling looks like my first instinct here
Yeah,I agree.I don't like Jr's shot.It seems too risky.So many bad things can happen.But like I said to him,he is probably a better one-holer than meFast Lenny said:
We are talking about Freddy Bentivegna,right?Cornerman said:
I'm really thinking you're not bothering to read these posts. Of course we're talking about Freddy Bentivegna. And Freddy Bentivegna would have agreed 100% with what I wrote about intentional scratches. Now, did you read my post or not? I think not.Onepocket73 said:
Also, because of your reaction to JRHendry's shot, I have to believe that you don't quite understand it, since you consider it "risky." His shot does the most with the least risk, so you mustn't be understanding his shot.
Fred
lol @ some of the suggestions. when you guys post can you please include your state/city/pool hall and the name you go by?
Someone suggested shooting the 5/7 and sticking the CB, not bad. Even better if you can hit it with a good smooth stroke and just roll the CB up about a half inch to freeze up on the 13.
I don't like the kick/scratch and put him ~ the 7, the return is too easy and you'll be in a worse spot.
If I was playing for fun/showing off I might fire the 12/11/15/1-6 (where the 6 ball gets thrown in, if the 1 and 6 are close enough together). But this isn't a realistic shot for the $$ unless you're positive you can get it to go AND avoid the scratch. I'm not even sure the CB can see all of the 12.
Fwiw, at first glance the best shot is 5/7 and roll/freeze the CB. imo.
Someone suggested shooting the 5/7 and sticking the CB, not bad. Even better if you can hit it with a good smooth stroke and just roll the CB up about a half inch to freeze up on the 13.
I don't like the kick/scratch and put him ~ the 7, the return is too easy and you'll be in a worse spot.
If I was playing for fun/showing off I might fire the 12/11/15/1-6 (where the 6 ball gets thrown in, if the 1 and 6 are close enough together). But this isn't a realistic shot for the $$ unless you're positive you can get it to go AND avoid the scratch. I'm not even sure the CB can see all of the 12.
Fwiw, at first glance the best shot is 5/7 and roll/freeze the CB. imo.
There's a lot of danger up table in this case. Much better to follow jrhendry's guidance.
Fred,Cornerman said:
I absolutely have read your posts and considered what you have wrote.I just don't like the move.Thats all,no big deal.I prefer one way,and you prefer another.My original post wasn't trying to persuade everyone to take a scratch shot.I was simply getting some opinions.I like to see the way other people think too.Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I am condescending to you.
BTW---How do you know Freddy B. would take JR's shot over mine?
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Onepocket73 said:
Normally I read answers...no answers read this time. I have a feeling most everyone will have the same response:
I know there is a risk with the seven and the ten balls, but it seems like the easiest shot to try to freeze or lock up on the thirteen.
After looking at all the solutions offered here I have to agree with Jrhendy. His looks to be the most effective and most simple to operate, providing you can keep the cue ball tight to the 13 ball. However it just buys you time and you might need a major mistake from your opponent to get out of this mess.
fan-tum said:
Another good asset is being able to realize you opponent has a 100 makeable balls on his table, and you have ONE. If you don't do something to destroy some of his threats NOW, THIS very turn, you are going to lose this game.
ANY shot that puts him downtable and lets him see the 14 will end up with the 14 removed from your side, and moved over to his.
You don't seem to see the danger. If you gave up a shot and he only ran 4 or 5, you probably went to church this Sunday, lol. You are in danger of him running OUT here, even if he was spotting something ridiculous like 14-5 or something.
Taking a scratch and putting him downtable, he will either kick or bank the 14 away from your hole. Not only would I bet a testicale your 14 is going bye-bye, I could see many ways he leaves you worse off than you are right now.
JMHO as a C- player,
Russ
First of all, this is a tough spot.....That said, with all due respect to John Hendy, his shot, that a lot of you like, looks no good to me, because >>> As the balls are laid out here, the 5 looks like it will carom off of the 7 and into the 4, selling out...and if you carom the 7 too full, it clips the 10, selling out...and if you manage to have the 5 clip the 7 thin enough for it to squeeze through and miss the 4, then it hits the 3, selling out.
I only see one viable shot here, and it's the shot that I would shoot - if you're playing on a table that you know well, so that you've got your rail familiarity and table speed down, it shouldn't be that hard to execute - you'll have about a 6" margin of error speed-wise....
I'm taking a scratch by lagging 2 rails, short rail and then long rail, passing behind the 9 (just gotta watch out for that side pocket), having the cue ball end up on the top rail between the 7 and the 10, and there's also the possibility of softly clipping the bottom side of the 7 for a legal safety....The beauty of the shot is not only do you escape the trap, but you've got your very valuable 14 ball protected/hidden from him also.
I only see one viable shot here, and it's the shot that I would shoot - if you're playing on a table that you know well, so that you've got your rail familiarity and table speed down, it shouldn't be that hard to execute - you'll have about a 6" margin of error speed-wise....
I'm taking a scratch by lagging 2 rails, short rail and then long rail, passing behind the 9 (just gotta watch out for that side pocket), having the cue ball end up on the top rail between the 7 and the 10, and there's also the possibility of softly clipping the bottom side of the 7 for a legal safety....The beauty of the shot is not only do you escape the trap, but you've got your very valuable 14 ball protected/hidden from him also.
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