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Lbkcuekid

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Hey guys I have a 1 pocket question. I play at my local pool hall on a 9 foot Olhausen with Simonis 860 and there are players that I play that can give me the 7 out or 8 playing 9-ball but when we play 1-pocket we are playing even and I can win regularly how is this happening? I have been playing 1-pocket a lot in the last year and my nine-ball game suffers and 1-hole is doing good. So how is it that I can beat these guys on a regular basis when they can give me so much weight playing 9-ball? Is it that I am playing more safeties or holding the cue ball better than them or what? Just curious to see what you guys have to say about this.
Thanks
Nick
 
Lbkcuekid said:
Hey guys I have a 1 pocket question. I play at my local pool hall on a 9 foot Olhausen with Simonis 860 and there are players that I play that can give me the 7 out or 8 playing 9-ball but when we play 1-pocket we are playing even and I can win regularly how is this happening? I have been playing 1-pocket a lot in the last year and my nine-ball game suffers and 1-hole is doing good. So how is it that I can beat these guys on a regular basis when they can give me so much weight playing 9-ball? Is it that I am playing more safeties or holding the cue ball better than them or what? Just curious to see what you guys have to say about this.
Thanks
Nick
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It means you play One-Pocket better than they do. It means nothing more nor less.

ONB
 
One pocket is a different animal all together I think. I'll take a good one pocket mover over a good rotation player every time, and win most of the time. Leaving a rotation player long, tough and/or safe creates impatience, and they WILL eventually start swinging when they oughta bunt.

Just wait for your chance and pick off the sure points as they come.
 
It's the same reason that it's hard to make a list of the best players in a town or the world. There are many different games and different size tables.
 
The most difficult thing about One Pocket is reading the table

Lbkcuekid said:
Hey guys I have a 1 pocket question. I play at my local pool hall on a 9 foot Olhausen with Simonis 860 and there are players that I play that can give me the 7 out or 8 playing 9-ball but when we play 1-pocket we are playing even and I can win regularly how is this happening? I have been playing 1-pocket a lot in the last year and my nine-ball game suffers and 1-hole is doing good. So how is it that I can beat these guys on a regular basis when they can give me so much weight playing 9-ball? Is it that I am playing more safeties or holding the cue ball better than them or what? Just curious to see what you guys have to say about this.
Thanks
Nick
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In 9 Ball the object ball (ball pocketing) is emphasized and in One Pocket the cue ball control is most important. It's possible to beat really good players playing One Pocket and not shoot any difficult shots......this is not true in 9 Ball.

The most difficult thing about One Pocket is reading the table and understanding which shot to shoot and why.....then the cue ball control needs to be developed so it's more consistent in caroming and "touch" shots.
 
Lbkcuekid said:
Hey guys I have a 1 pocket question. I play at my local pool hall on a 9 foot Olhausen with Simonis 860 and there are players that I play that can give me the 7 out or 8 playing 9-ball but when we play 1-pocket we are playing even and I can win regularly how is this happening? I have been playing 1-pocket a lot in the last year and my nine-ball game suffers and 1-hole is doing good. So how is it that I can beat these guys on a regular basis when they can give me so much weight playing 9-ball? Is it that I am playing more safeties or holding the cue ball better than them or what? Just curious to see what you guys have to say about this.
Thanks
Nick
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They are two different games that emphasize different skills and knowledge. My experience, in match play and in tournaments, has been that some guys that would absolutely clean my clock at 9ball, I have no trouble defeating at 1pocket. It is solely dependent upon their 1pocket insight and experience -- if they don't play the game they are at a huge disadvantage.

Lou Figueroa
 
In my experience if someone is the 7 out better than you in 9 ball, he will beat you in one pocket within a week of playing the game for the first time. UNLESS he has severe stubbornness to learning.

Knowledge and experience in one pocket (or any game) can only bridge the talent gap so far. When someone is a significantly better shooter than you, which the 7 out is huge, their shooting will overcome the knowledge gap. Furthermore, they will learn the new to them one pocket shots and be able to execute them much quicker than you did in your journey.
 
Lbkcuekid said:
Hey guys I have a 1 pocket question. I play at my local pool hall on a 9 foot Olhausen with Simonis 860 and there are players that I play that can give me the 7 out or 8 playing 9-ball but when we play 1-pocket we are playing even and I can win regularly how is this happening? I have been playing 1-pocket a lot in the last year and my nine-ball game suffers and 1-hole is doing good. So how is it that I can beat these guys on a regular basis when they can give me so much weight playing 9-ball? Is it that I am playing more safeties or holding the cue ball better than them or what? Just curious to see what you guys have to say about this.
Thanks
Nick
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Maybe its just a set up. They're lulling you to sleep until the time is right. Then, its time to raise the stakes. Unless its just for fun or small stakes, I'd stay away from that game.
 
iusedtoberich said:
In my experience if someone is the 7 out better than you in 9 ball, he will beat you in one pocket within a week of playing the game for the first time. UNLESS he has severe stubbornness to learning.
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I don't think this holds true across all skill levels, but is probably correct for the level the OP is talking about. It sounds like he struggles with shot making in 9-ball and his opponents struggle with patience in one pocket.
 
CJ Wiley said:
It's possible to beat really good players playing One Pocket and not shoot any difficult shots......
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True, you can outplay your opponent without outshooting them in one pocket sometimes, but it only gets you so far. To consistently win one pocket against good players, you are going to have to come with some tough shots at some point in the game. A lot of the time, the tough part isn't in making the ball, it's in playing position for the next ball in the same hole or rolling the ball near your hole without selling out.

The issue a lot of people have with one pocket is that they don't have the patience for the standard bumping around of balls that goes on between those tough shots.
 
I understand what you guys are saying but like what Matt said I agree and disagree with some things, I know some tough shots that they do not not know because they do not have to shoot them ever in 9-ball. I did however tonight play a guy, that should beat me in 9-ball giving up the 8 and alternate breaks, Even and I beat him and is was not because I shot better than he did it is because I out played him with leaving long shots and being able to get ball in hand on some safeties.
 
I can't stand 9 ball never could , so I don't play it well. I loved One Pocket the first time I really understood how much you can control your opponent so I play it about the 7 ball better than my nine ball game.
Nine ball players who want to learn one pocket will eventually catch on but a lot don't want to put in the time to learn, so they play way below their rotation level.
 
Lbkcuekid said:
Hey guys I have a 1 pocket question. I play at my local pool hall on a 9 foot Olhausen with Simonis 860 and there are players that I play that can give me the 7 out or 8 playing 9-ball but when we play 1-pocket we are playing even and I can win regularly how is this happening? I have been playing 1-pocket a lot in the last year and my nine-ball game suffers and 1-hole is doing good. So how is it that I can beat these guys on a regular basis when they can give me so much weight playing 9-ball? Is it that I am playing more safeties or holding the cue ball better than them or what? Just curious to see what you guys have to say about this.
Thanks
Nick
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It sounds like they don't really have an interest in one pocket. Enjoy it while it lasts because if they take any interest in one pocket they will beat you at that as well if they play that much better then you. One pocket does not have any unusual elements that can't be learned by a player if they have an interest. Now if you take a game like say banks, that is different. If you are a bank players you will beat other players even if they try to learn the game if they don't have a talent for it.
Bottom line is, you are asking them to play a game they don't play and you do. If they take up the game as well they will beat you.
 
CJ Wiley said:
IIt's possible to beat really good players playing One Pocket and not shoot any difficult shots......
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This is not true.

Some of us were talking about this at the pool hall the other day and the bottom-line is that sooner than later you will have to shoot difficult shots if you want to win. And in many situations the "difficult shot" is going to be a defensive one.

Lou Figueroa
 
I play quite a bit of 1-hole and it appears to me it is very likely that 9 ballers can be beat at 1hole.Even 9ball players that are way better then oneself.
1hole still requires pocketing balls so the ablity to move only goes so far.
If a player is able to control whitey good enough to outmove a offensive minded player,they need to control whitey good enough to make shots. Any miss "can,and will, be used against you!".

I have played very good players -rackstringers-100 ball 14.1 ers,and my moves only keep me in the game.


1-Pocket is the NUTZ.
 
i had a buddy of mine that i played 2 balls better than,get me into one pocket and beat me, after a couple weeks playing one pocket and learning the moves he was wanting weight there too, secret knowledge only lasts a short time, if you are a better player in one game you will be better in the other too. So enjoy it while you can, it wont last long, once they take interest in one pocket, you will be asking for weight there too. I used to have buddies that would challenge road players to snooker when they came to town,thinking they could beat them at that game, i told them, its still making balls and playing position for the next shot, its no different then pool, if they are better then you at one game they are better then you at them all real quickly...lesson to the wise
 
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