One Pocket Shot clock?

[The Renfro]

OK here is the deal... Corey threw a fit over the shot clock in his match against Hennessee.... Hennessee thought it was a move and had nothing to do with the clock...

Corey stated at Sandcastle that shot clock only bothered him on one shot in one match and it was only to the effect that with more time he would have came with an even better shot even tho the one he played got er done.... So Hennessee may have a point....

We lost the shot clock the day of the one pocket finals and Corey played a match on the TV table.... It was brutal... The arena cleared out as the 2nd game passed the 1:20 mark.... The video will likely end up on the cutting room floor in fear of ESPN Star never wanting to show one-pocket again if it is part of the programming they are sent to air across Asia.....

I get that some people don't like the shot clock... I am sure Pro Quarterbacks and Basketball teams would love to not have them either. Do you think the clock is good for pool?

Chris

 

[tank69]

Rotation games, seems plausible. One pocket, maybe a total match time. We do a race to 2, you get notified at 2 hours you have 15 minutes. Times up, one with the most balls wins or if its 1-0, the player with 1 wins. Seems to work in local tourneys. For big ones? Not sure.

 

[JCIN]

OK here is the deal... Corey threw a fit over the shot clock in his match against Hennessee.... Hennessee thought it was a move and had nothing to do with the clock...

Corey stated at Sandcastle that shot clock only bothered him on one shot in one match and it was only to the effect that with more time he would have came with an even better shot even tho the one he played got er done.... So Hennessee may have a point....

We lost the shot clock the day of the one pocket finals and Corey played a match on the TV table.... It was brutal... The arena cleared out as the 2nd game passed the 1:20 mark.... The video will likely end up on the cutting room floor in fear of ESPN Star never wanting to show one-pocket again if it is part of the programming they are sent to air across Asia.....

I get that some people don't like the shot clock... I am sure Pro Quarterbacks and Basketball teams would love to not have them either. Do you think the clock is good for pool?

Chris

TAR started using a shot clock for all of our matches including one pocket. We do 60 seconds with 120 seconds for the shot after the break and two extensions per game. The reason behind that is we sell pool to people. For every guy who says he doesnt mind watching a guy take five minutes to decide to bunt a ball three inches there are ten who want to pull their hair out.

I look at it this way: A college football team made up of teenagers and young twenty somethings has forty seconds to call a play, get to the line, get set and run that play with eleven other people doing their best to destroy them physically. I find it ridiculous to believe profesional pool players most of whom have been playing the game for well over a decade can not make a decision and execute a pool shot in 150% of the same time.

Since we have switched to a shot clock for all matches it has made things much smoother. There was one instance with SVB vs Dennis in one pocket that was screwed up and that particular situation has been addressed. I understand people who do not like shot clocks but when you are putting out a product for people to watch I think they are mandatory.

 

[JCIN]

As far as large tournaments it becomes a manpower issue with the question being who runs the clock. I always liked the way CSI did it where if at a set time the score is not at a set total amount then each guy is awarded a game. If it still is behind then it happens again. If one guy is the cause then his opponent can call a ref.

Its an imperfect solution but in the events I have seen it used it does keep the event on schedule. When you are talking about twenty table events things start to get hinky. When you are talking 200+ table amateur events its down right unmanageable.

The chess clock solution has always intrigued me but I havent given it enough thought to find the holes in it.

 

[Maniac]

My thoughts are that a shot clock should be mandatory at any event that is deemed to be "professional". That said, there needs to be different time frames involved for the different types of games played (example: 25 seconds for 9-ball, 35 seconds for 8-ball, 45 seconds for 1-pocket, etc.), and there needs to be at least one time out/extension per game when a shot clock is used.

I didn't vote "Yes" because I didn't agree with the reasoning behind it. So, I didn't vote.

All examples above are just that, not meant to be taken literally. And of course, as usual, these are just my opinions. I really don't care either way.

Maniac

 

[Maniac]

TAR started using a shot clock for all of our matches including one pocket. We do 60 seconds with 120 seconds for the shot after the break and two extensions per game. The reason behind that is we sell pool to people. For every guy who says he doesnt mind watching a guy take five minutes to decide to bunt a ball three inches there are ten who want to pull their hair out.

I look at it this way: A college football team made up of teenagers and young twenty somethings has forty seconds to call a play, get to the line, get set and run that play with eleven other people doing their best to destroy them physically. I find it ridiculous to believe profesional pool players most of whom have been playing the game for well over a decade can not make a decision and execute a pool shot in 150% of the same time.

Since we have switched to a shot clock for all matches it has made things much smoother. There was one instance with SVB vs Dennis in one pocket that was screwed up and that particular situation has been addressed. I understand people who do not like shot clocks but when you are putting out a product for people to watch I think they are mandatory.

Good points made here.

I would like to add that whenever a shot clock IS deployed in a match, it is of my opinion that the clock for the incoming player should not be started until the outgoing player's butt hits the chair. This will stop a lot of the table-side "rubber-necking" many players do waiting for the cue ball or object ball to stop to see if their opponent is hooked, sometimes actually interfering with the incoming player's ability to move to where they need to be.

Maniac

 

[backplaying]

My thoughts are that a shot clock should be mandatory at any event that is deemed to be "professional". That said, there needs to be different time frames involved for the different types of games played (example: 25 seconds for 9-ball, 35 seconds for 8-ball, 45 seconds for 1-pocket, etc.), and there needs to be at least one time out/extension per game when a shot clock is used.

I didn't vote "Yes" because I didn't agree with the reasoning behind it. So, I didn't vote.

All examples above are just that, not meant to be taken literally. And of course, as usual, these are just my opinions. I really don't care either way.

Maniac

I can go along with these times, and can tell you a time limit can predict the outcome in a match. If there was a 30 second shot clock, how do you think Earl and many fast players matches would have had a different outcome with many slow players?

 

[Tramp Steamer]

I voted no, but might agree to a clock for One Pocket with an extended time period. About an hour and a half should do it.
A player can't be too careful about where he's going to leave whitey.

 

[jtompilot]

Rotation games, seems plausible. One pocket, maybe a total match time. We do a race to 2, you get notified at 2 hours you have 15 minutes. Times up, one with the most balls wins or if its 1-0, the player with 1 wins. Seems to work in local tourneys. For big ones? Not sure.

So your up a ball, then at the two hour mark you spend the next 15 min. taking a dump:smile:

Watched a match at Red Shoes, the guy up a ball played even slower after two hours and won

 

[RunoutJJ]

The main reason I can't stand watching one-pocket. 5 minutes between bunting balls off the rails is just a huge.... :boring:

 

[Diamond69]

Good points made here.

I would like to add that whenever a shot clock IS deployed in a match, it is of my opinion that the clock for the incoming player should not be started until the outgoing player's butt hits the chair. This will stop a lot of the table-side "rubber-necking" many players do waiting for the cue ball or object ball to stop to see if their opponent is hooked, sometimes actually interfering with the incoming player's ability to move to where they need to be.

Maniac

This is how I would do it in conjunction with JCIN's comments. A 20 table event with "professionals" should be able to follow this simple procedure.

You have to remember, the shot clock is not intended to rush decisions (except maybe BB's 24 second clock). It is intended to push along the very slow, plodding players. Same as in golf.

 

[Maniac]

If there was a 30 second shot clock, how do you think Earl and many fast players matches would have had a different outcome with many slow players?

I've got to believe that Earl would have won quite a few to possibly many more matches in his heyday had a 30-second shot clock been utilized. Slow play (as in: Ralf Souquet :wink was/is one of the things that puts Earl on tilt. Watching him in old videos against slow players, I get the feeling he just simply lost interest in the matches.

Maniac

 

[BeiberLvr]

Shot clocks are good, but it has to be the right amount. Not too much and not too little.

I think 2 minutes is more than enough time for a pro to make a decision and execute.

 

[backplaying]

The main reason I can't stand watching one-pocket. 5 minutes between bunting balls off the rails is just a huge.... :boring:

This is the real reason we have to have a shot clock on all games. Anyone who doesn't really understand 1 hole will find the long play boring, and even for many who do! If you can't think fast, you should be punished! :grin-square:

 

[backplaying]

I've got to believe that Earl would have won quite a few to possibly many more matches in his heyday had a 30-second shot clock been utilized. Slow play (as in: Ralf Souquet :wink was/is one of the things that puts Earl on tilt. Watching him in old videos against slow players, I get the feeling he just simply lost interest in the matches.

Maniac

I would like to see anyone argue these facts!

 

[backplaying]

So your up a ball, then at the two hour mark you spend the next 15 min. taking a dump:smile:

Watched a match at Red Shoes, the guy up a ball played even slower after two hours and won

We need to shun slow players to stop the bs in all games!!!!!

 

[AtLarge]

In One-Pocket, I'd favor both a time limit on each shot and a time limit on the game. The game limit might be 30 minutes; the player ahead at that point wins. That would force some aggressive shots from the player who is behind as the game time limit nears; that's OK with me.

 

[AlexandruM]

For TV/streaming a shotclock is a necessity.
For tournament without streaming and TV I think shotclock is hard to use thanks to large number of players.
For gambling, no shotclock.

 

[The Renfro]

So far we are clicking off at 65% ish in favor.... Is interesting to read everyone's feelings on the subject... We used 60 seconds with 2 extensions in Tunica for the one-pocket... Wonder if increasing that to 3 would be enough to sway a few more voters......

For the 14.1 Make it Happen event the players will use the extension even if they don't call it if they have one in the bank... No one ever would likely sleep a shot clock violation on purpose so I think that is a nice adder....

Chris