Open Offer to Danny Harriman and John Schmidt from TAR

Fast Lenny said:
I think the Philippines Big Time Billiards has it right. They have races to 9 with the winner getting $5,000 and the loser I think gets $2500, ring card girl walks around the table and all that. I find it amazing its on TV there, $5,000 is nothing here and would never make the air. I like what TAR is trying to do now, having this to be a UFC style champion in different divisions.

Maybe have an under card match perhaps if two AZ guys wanted to match up in a short race for some cash on the stream before the big show. I know Justin in the past you have spoke about being opposed to exhibition matches and am glad you have changed your feelings on this. I do think exhibition match is a poor word for it, it really is a challenge match just like Efren and Frost were when they played here, Scott walked away with I believe $4,000 while Efren got $1,000 as the loser.

These players will be trying to win and it will be a great match, no different then a money match. I would suggest having an all around format, 2 out of 3, each player picks a game and the third game would be drawn from a hat, each player could write down 2 games to be put in the hat. That would be a good way to determine a TAR All Around Champion and add a little bit of a surprise because we might not know what the 3rd game is. Just more ideas, enjoying reading other peoples ideas on this and thanks for being open minded to all of our input.
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The main reason for going to us putting up a prize fund is simply so we can get matches to happen more than a few times a year. Its gotten a lot harder to make games in the last couple years so its either adapt or die.

I like your idea for the all around and think it would be pretty cool having an element of surprise. At the moment this is simply about John and Danny playing what will in all probability be the final match in a trilogy so I want to stay as close to the past format as possible on this one.

Having a TAR All Around Champion and a TAR 10 Ball Champion sounds pretty damn cool though and its something we plan on doing.
 
JCIN said:
That would surprise me greatly but I could be wrong. Going on five years of doing these and one of the few things I havent heard is "I didnt buy the match because they weren't mic'ed"

Bottom line is players hate to wear them and whenever possible and practical we default to the players wishes. I used to think it would be cool to have players mic'ed but then I started spending a lot of time around microphones and quickly understood why its no much fun having everything you say go out on an open channel.

People want the mic's because they want to hear the funny or outrageous shit players say under the heat. I understand it but I also understand its hard enough to compete in front of an audience critiquing every move you make without having to worry about letting something slip in the heat of the moment. Its a no win situation for the players.
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I totally understand your position, and agree as well except for a couple of things. I don't think it is so much that people are not buying a match because it isn't mic'd (many have never even thought about it), but that some people who have never really had much interest in the streams would suddenly have an interest if it were mic'd and they got to hear what their idols were saying. Could be wrong...

I don't thinking mic'ing is the right fit for every match, and maybe not this one for reasons you stated. But if you ever get one of the talkers on there, like a Sigel, McCready, maybe Strickland, etc, and I think the fans would eat it up (and those type players probably wouldn't mind it too much either).
 
mikeyfrost said:
With that said, figure out a way us pay pal less dudes can watch or do it during Vegas in May so I can come sweat that shit lol.
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I'd rather see it in person too in May just before the US Open 1-Pocket. I'll still grab the PPV if it's earlier though.
 
Poolplaya9 said:
I totally understand your position, and agree as well except for a couple of things. I don't think it is so much that people are not buying a match because it isn't mic'd (many have never even thought about it), but that some people who have never really had much interest in the streams would suddenly have an interest if it were mic'd and they got to hear what their idols were saying. Could be wrong...

I don't thinking mic'ing is the right fit for every match, and maybe not this one for reasons you stated. But if you ever get one of the talkers on there, like a Sigel, McCready, maybe Strickland, etc, and I think the fans would eat it up (and those type players probably wouldn't mind it too much either).
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Off the top of my head of all the players I have ever asked to wear a mic I can only think of three that were cool with it: Shane, Oscar and John Morra. Which is kinda funny if you think about it.

As for the guys you mentioned I can see the appeal but seriously doubt it will ever be a question as I dont see them doing anything with us.
 
AtLarge said:
In post #35, I suggested more sets and shorter sets, rather than 3 long sets. I think I may have been remembering a suggestion by Joe Tucker a few months ago for an alternative to the race-to-100 matches in 10-ball or best-2-out-of-3 races to 25. I think something along the lines of what Joe suggested would also be interesting in an all-around format.

Here is what Joe posted: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=3341253&postcount=1

To use his idea but in all-around match, how about something like this:

First to win 7 sets gets $5,000; loser gets $1,000.

Sets are cycled through the 3 disciplines:

  • 14.1 to X points
  • One pocket to Y games
  • 10-ball to Z games
  • repeat

X, Y, and Z would be chosen (in advance) to make it fit into 3 days, even if it goes the full 13 sets.

With this format, we'd get to see them play multiple disciplines on each day, with, as Joe said, "added pressure, excitement and action."
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This is good stuff that way if you are a one pocket fan and they are playing 14.1 you will stay tuned in knowing one pocket is up shortly.
 
Ghosst said:
I'd rather see it in person too in May just before the US Open 1-Pocket. I'll still grab the PPV if it's earlier though.
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I have something else in the works for May before the US Open One Pocket. I need this to go in mid-late April.
 
JCIN said:
The main reason for going to us putting up a prize fund is simply so we can get matches to happen more than a few times a year. Its gotten a lot harder to make games in the last couple years so its either adapt or die.

I like your idea for the all around and think it would be pretty cool having an element of surprise. At the moment this is simply about John and Danny playing what will in all probability be the final match in a trilogy so I want to stay as close to the past format as possible on this one.

Having a TAR All Around Champion and a TAR 10 Ball Champion sounds pretty damn cool though and its something we plan on doing.
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I know these matches will cost more money to put on and hopefully people realize this and support it by buying the PPVs. I think this will enable us to see more players who are not big time gamblers or who have backer problems so to speak but do not lack the talent as a top pool player. I think Hatch and Shane will be a match people want to watch or even Hatch and Rodney would be good IMO. Its great that there will be no excuses anymore about a player not being able to get staked or all the conditions, just get in the box for a shot at the cash. We will get to see different players and more matches this year which is cool.
 
Fast Lenny said:
I know these matches will cost more money to put on and hopefully people realize this and support it by buying the PPVs. I think this will enable us to see more players who are not big time gamblers or who have backer problems so to speak but do not lack the talent as a top pool player. I think Hatch and Shane will be a match people want to watch or even Hatch and Rodney would be good IMO. Its great that there will be no excuses anymore about a player not being able to get staked or all the conditions, just get in the box for a shot at the cash. We will get to see different players and more matches this year which is cool.
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If it works it opens a whole new world. If not I'm going to have fall back on my second career as a Speedo model. I really hope it works. Pretty sure everyone else does too.
 
JCIN said:
Off the top of my head of all the players I have ever asked to wear a mic I can only think of three that were cool with it: Shane, Oscar and John Morra. Which is kinda funny if you think about it.

As for the guys you mentioned I can see the appeal but seriously doubt it will ever be a question as I dont see them doing anything with us.
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This is pretty damn funny considering those 3 guys almost never say a damn word when they play. lol
 
JCIN said:
If it works it opens a whole new world. If not I'm going to have fall back on my second career as a Speedo model. I really hope it works. Pretty sure everyone else does too.
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If speedo model is your backup, looks like I'm gonna have to pay double.
 
JCIN said:
Whatever it turns out to be it has to be able to be made clear in a single sentence. I am leaning towards each guy getting a $1000 guaranteed and playing for $1000 a set with $1000 bonus to the winner. If I do find sponsors I'll probably use the money to help outrun the $6000 plus expenses and production costs we will already be stuck.
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Add me to the list supporting this idea. It guarantees a 3rd set where both are have reason to try hard, it guarantees an appearance fee, and it guarantees a bonus to the overall winner, and it matches your planned payout. Nothing not to like about this.

Kelly
 
JCIN said:
I have something else in the works for May before the US Open One Pocket. I need this to go in mid-late April.
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Email or FB me some dates Justin, I need to book off in advance. Your TAR Non-Disclosure Agreement is pre-signed.
 
Justin, do you still have Fatboy's rails on the table? I'd really like to see the 14.1 leg played on standard 4.5" Diamond pockets.
 
DogsPlayingPool said:
Justin, do you still have Fatboy's rails on the table? I'd really like to see the 14.1 leg played on standard 4.5" Diamond pockets.
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Before the last match they had rails made to the same specs as the "fatboy rails". so no they are not the same ones, but should play the same.

This was my understanding and I am sure Justin will correct me if i am wrong.
 
spanky79 said:
Before the last match they had rails made to the same specs as the "fatboy rails". so no they are not the same ones, but should play the same.

This was my understanding and I am sure Justin will correct me if i am wrong.
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Yup thats the case.

If John and Danny play the 4 1/8" pocket rail set on the table now will be replaced with a standard factory 4 1/2" set we have ready to go.

The tight pockets are no good for 14.1.
 
JCIN said:
Yup thats the case.

If John and Danny play the 4 1/8" pocket rail set on the table now will be replaced with a standard factory 4 1/2" set we have ready to go.

The tight pockets are no good for 14.1.
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Thanks for clarifying this. You are a wise man. Good call.
 
JCIN said:
Mic'ing the players is a minor concern to me basically because I know players hate wearing mic's and I am more focused on getting the match to happen than muddying the waters.

It's a giant pain in the ass for all concerned and if someone were to mutter something under their breath the other guys cell phone would be blowing up 30 seconds later. I have had my share of side shows and don't want anymore. For TAR this is about a rubber match between two guys who after 20 games of 1 pocket, 2 sets of one pocket and 2 sets of ten ball are dead even.

Both Danny and John seem to have tried to move forward from some things in the past between them and I don't see pushing them to wear a mic in order to catch them saying something in the heat of the moment promoting that spirit of advancement. I hate "gotcha" journalism and programming so in a longwinded answer...no I wont ask them to wear a mic.
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That should get them both to the table quicker. Glad that got answered up front. Maybe it will make it easier for them to commit.

Kudos to you for putting the match before your wallet.
 
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