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I didn't save it, Jay. I'm not in the habit of feeling like I have to cover my butt and save stuff; posts, PM's, etc.jay helfert said:
Basically, I asked tedkaufman if he would agree to banning himself since he called anyone who disagreed with Mr. Wilson a "dipstick", but he didn't use the work stick. He posted that anyone who broke the rules should be banned immediately.
Someone deleted my post and edited ted's post. This so-called discussion is going nowhere. Mike and Dave will do what they want.
edit: I originally said Mr. Wilson deleted my post. Since I don't know that for a fact, I changed my wording.
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Dave, see my reference in the previous post. My post was in this thread in answer to tedkaufman's post. If you did not delete it, I sincerly apologize for saying you did.Mr. Wilson said:
I didn't say I was being picked on, just that not all of the dissenting opinions were being left in this thread. And why is the word you in **'s??
If you are saying my post was not deleted then you have effectively ended this "discussion".
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jay helfert said:
I do like you Jay but the reason was because you did respond to Peer's statement of how the Jimbo situation was handled and said the way he worded it irritated you. A lot of people sided with Wilson but I just didn't like the handling where he was forcing someone to apologize for something that didn't warrant an apology. It did appear infantile to me also. Wilson may have been completely justified in booting Jimbo but he did not do it diplomatically. I am sure he could have waited and gotten Jimbo for a real offense but this wasn't the case. I don't pay much attention to the job Wilson does and he may be a very good moderator but I don't think ANYONE should be singing his praises for his handling of this situation, IT WAS JUST PLAIN WRONG.
(Jay if you don't understand this take a 4th grade reading class or play me some 1 pocket LOL)
Wayne
Here's my take on this situation:
Jimbo IS a great asset to AZbilliards. He is very knowledgeable and doesn't hesitate to impart his knowledge. But... he handled the situation horribly in his last several opportunities to post. He was warned to quit being so abbrasive after a significant amount of complaints were filed. He didn't stop, in fact got worse towards the powers that be... and he suffered the consequences. The end.
I think 3 months is too long, however. A week would be sufficient. Three months will foster habit and getting used to being away from AZbilliards on Jimbo's part; allowing the loss of a valuable source of information. A week or two would let the consequences be realized and show that Jimbo did, in fact, show great disrespect to the powers that created/maintain this forum without making it seem too harsh.
For those of you trying to do damage to AZbilliards: this place is too popular for any one member's banning to be the final say on its demise. It could lose the top 10 popular posters and not suffer significantly enough to shut it down, so what is to be gained by stirring rebellion? Seriously.
If you have a chip on your shoulder and with good reason, chances are with a sensible and non-offensive presentation of your issues to the powers-that-be, you can get your chip removed. It REALLY IS that simple.
Jimbo IS a great asset to AZbilliards. He is very knowledgeable and doesn't hesitate to impart his knowledge. But... he handled the situation horribly in his last several opportunities to post. He was warned to quit being so abbrasive after a significant amount of complaints were filed. He didn't stop, in fact got worse towards the powers that be... and he suffered the consequences. The end.
I think 3 months is too long, however. A week would be sufficient. Three months will foster habit and getting used to being away from AZbilliards on Jimbo's part; allowing the loss of a valuable source of information. A week or two would let the consequences be realized and show that Jimbo did, in fact, show great disrespect to the powers that created/maintain this forum without making it seem too harsh.
For those of you trying to do damage to AZbilliards: this place is too popular for any one member's banning to be the final say on its demise. It could lose the top 10 popular posters and not suffer significantly enough to shut it down, so what is to be gained by stirring rebellion? Seriously.
If you have a chip on your shoulder and with good reason, chances are with a sensible and non-offensive presentation of your issues to the powers-that-be, you can get your chip removed. It REALLY IS that simple.
ScottR said:
There hasn't been a single post in this thread deleted.
Now, my reason for being as specific as possible is because of what was said :
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=572320&postcount=44
Jay stated that Peer's opinion was in the minority in this thread.
You went on to say that was only because your and other's posts were deleted or modified. "I know mine was".
I challenged you directly because of a very foul accusation.
Maybe that is part of the problem. I see such a statement as a direct affront to my character. I equate such egregiously false and wrong statements the same as being called a liar and fraud ( amoung other things )
I've been vilified multiple times as of late and it has a lot to do with my singleing you out, because you claimed I had done such with yours.
TX Poolnut said:There you go Mr. Wilson and AZHousepro. JoeyA has given you the answer to your problem. Just put Jimbo on your ignore lists.
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TX Poolnut, I offered YOU a possible solution to YOUR problem.
No need to redirect it to Mr. Wilson or anyone else. I was just trying to help you with a possible solution. And if the ignore lists doesn't work well, I am now better informed. Hope to hear from others who have used the feature. Me, I just don't read the posts I am not interested in. Even Smorgasbord accuses me of not responding to the threads that I am interested in.
JoeyA
classiccues said:
Hi Joe, you need to come visit us sometime, it's been awhile.... Anyway, I have to disagree with you on this. As you probbably know, absolute power, corrupts. That's why our government and legal system is constructed with checks and balances. I would certainly hate to go before a person that is the judge and jury and was in a bad mood. Doesn't seem fair, does it?
I've been accused of posting about this nonsense because I am a friend of Jimbo's and that's why I have a biased opinion. Jam has mentioned this to most anyone that has come off as defending Jimbo. You and Jam have a history with Jimbo, and not a pleasant one. So, I would consider your opinion of the situation biased also. But, more importantly, if anyone has read my posts, I haven't really defended Jimbo. I'm opposed to what I see as biased reprimands and publicly warning and banning posters. It should be handled all behind the scenes, without the fanfair as in recent months.
Also, as I may remember, you and Jimbo got into a heated discussion in recent months. One person was reprimanded and one was not. It takes two to have an argument. You both should have been punished.
People create their own hell. If the Jimbo and other incidents had been handled behind the scenes, and not publicly, then the majority of people would not even known it happened. But, mr. wilson decided to handle it publicly, and now the big up roar.
I think posters are much more important than non-posters or lurkers. If everyone was a lurker, their wouldn't been much to read or discuss. The forum would cease to exist.
There has been mention of 8000+ members etc; A large forum, which I think is great. Looking at the member list, you'll see that somewhere close to the 50% mark, have posted one post or less. Many with 2, 3 posts haven't posted in the last 6 months. I'm guessing here, but I would say there are less than 1000 to 1500 active posters. These are the people that make the forum what it is, a great source of information. You'll always have the lurkers, which is fine and dandy, but it's the active posters that make the forum.
Joe and all, have a great New Year and be safe.
Barry
Barry C. said:
Oh, brother, Barry. I am trying to let go of this, but like Al Pacino in "The Godfather," "Every time I try to get out, you suck me back in."
Yes, you are correct in that Jimbo and me have had negative back-and-forths in the past. HOWEVER, these negative back-and-forths were on RSB NG.
When I joined AzBilliards as a member, I NEVER mentioned Jimbo's name in any of my posts; that is, until he stalked me. Yes, he stalked me, Barry.
Even then, I ignored his name-calling of me and his attacks on me and my boyfriend, Keith McCready.
Finally, after NUMEROUS references by Jimbo to me in a negative manner on AzBilliards Discussion Forum, I decided to respond when he verbally attacked and demeaned my boyfriend, Keith McCready, in an effort to target me. Keith, BTW, at that time was an invited pro player to this forum as an "Ask the Pro" contributor.
What may be missing here is that I have abided by the rules of AzBilliards Discussion Forum when I post.
This is a fact that you seem to not understand, Barry. I have NEVER commented on a thread that Jimbo was a part of and called him names and tried to create a flame; that is, until he targeted my boyfriend who was, in fact, an innocent party. What in the hell had Keith done to deserve such a sucker-punch by Jimbo? Jimbo wanted to irritate me. That was his sole intent. As a result, Keith no longer posts here because he was disgusted by the words written by Jimbo, as was I.
Another little factoid is that Jimbo has broken the forum rules not once, but twice. He has been banned before for a short period. IMHO, a 3-month banning is not sufficient. He is, in fact, a repeat offender. The banning of Jimbo should be for life. That is MY STORY, and I am sticking with it.
JAM
Barry C. said:
Only if the person is corruptible. Last I looked Wilson and Mike do confer on some of the bannings.
Barry C. said:
You can consider my opinion anything you want, however if you looked into it before making any type of statement like this you would see that I have chimed in on Painters banning as well as others. By posting this you are posting in support of Jimbo and you have NOT spoken about any other bannings that I can see. My situation aside, I believe what I teach my kids, in someone else's house, you have to behave. BTW there was a dual warning given to both of us in one of those threads. Obviously only one of us, as Jimbo liked to say, "had reading comprehension".
Barry C. said:
Really??? Like Jimbo should handle his issues with Mark, maybe with Mark? Or the fact he decided to come to a public forum to stir the pot, so why not make it public? When you get pulled over by the police, do they take you behind a building to lessen the embarrassment? He got caught in public and the punishment was public. I have no issues with that.
Barry C. said:
Happy New Years to you to...
JV
Dave, I posted a response on Saturday night, to tedkaufman, as I state above. I remember seeing my post count at 2799 afterward and wondered if I would ever make 2800 because of the post. I come back the next day and it is gone (post count at 2798) and it shows that you edited ted's post to remove the swearing. I made an assumption that you removed my post at the same time.Mr. Wilson said:
You can challenge me all you want and I have no recourse. How can a person with no mod capabilities prove what was posted or not posted, deleted or not deleted? We can't and you know it.
You haven't singled me out and I have tried to avoid making anything personal toward you as a person. My comments were intended to criticize moderator actions. If you choose to make it personal, that is out of my control. I can't see where stating that a moderator deleted a post or suggested to a well know cue maker that they go to usenet was any of the phrases that I highlighted above.
Dave, you win. You knew that when you posted the above. You have effectively called me a liar, a trouble-causer and the source of more friction on the board. And there is not a damn thing I can do about it.
Well, there is one. Looks like you've three-fouled me and you have ball in hand. See ya . . . . .
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wayne said:
Wayne,
My comments were directed at Peer for the way he addressed Wilson. I made no reference to the Jimbo situation at all. It is you that needs to work on your reading comprehension. And we can play some Banks and bet what you want big boy!
You tell me you want to play $100 a game 9-Ball Banks and I'll come find you today! Is that clear enough for you champ? And you got me by twenty years. I'm an old "has been" to. But I can and will kick your ass playing Banks.
Your friend Jay LOL
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Writing anything in these kind of threads is probably a duty, like voting, as a AZ Citizen. So not to hurt anyones feelings I can only state how I feel and not reflect on how someone else feels. I am fine with the way things are and the fact that this is the biggest and best online pool forum, should speak wonders. Great job everyone who participates.
IF the powers that be want to make changes, even asking our opinion is an honarble thing, because this is not democarcy. It just goes to show that they are at least willing to listen to their users. For a privately owned site, I appreciate that.
For what it is worth, this is JMO!
IF the powers that be want to make changes, even asking our opinion is an honarble thing, because this is not democarcy. It just goes to show that they are at least willing to listen to their users. For a privately owned site, I appreciate that.
For what it is worth, this is JMO!
Donovan said:
Good man Donovan.
Deal Me IN
Mr. Wilson, I **WILL** take your job for $3,000 a month. I can Moderate in between poker hands and drink a better brand of beer.
Doug
( I would ban everyone and make them fill out an application for Membership and I can do this job while not wearing pants )
vagabond said:
Mr. Wilson, I **WILL** take your job for $3,000 a month. I can Moderate in between poker hands and drink a better brand of beer.
Doug
( I would ban everyone and make them fill out an application for Membership and I can do this job while not wearing pants )
Barry C. said:
It wouldn't make a single bit of difference.
You'd still be waist deep in this conversation talking about a topic you don't have the facts on.
You'd still be posting about what you think, what you see, what you heard ,what you...what you...what you.................
The other side of that coin, even if all the warnings and bans were a strictly private matter, the other half of the posters still insist that since they don't see or hear what happened, of course, that means it never happened.
Jimbo, well he was warning in private and public enought times each to make either argument.
Yet we're still having this conversation, to prove my point.
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