Opinions noted

[manwon]

Mr. Wilson...
..you wrote:
> That said, part of the build up for that is a direct
> result of people who feel they can bait me and not
> suffer any consequince.

Any moderator should be above that.

> There are people who are taking great pleasure in
> seeing the forum equivalent of a prison riot.

Any moderator should be above that.

> People, you can kid yourselves that I am not allowed to
> like one person more than another. I do not understand where
> or how such a fantasy world could be believed to exist.

Any moderator should be able to treat all members equally.

> For the people who have been attempting to trash and ruin
> AZ Billiards in thier support efforts of jimbo,

Any moderator should be above such pitiful generalization.

> For the people who want me gotten rid of, you'll
> need to try harder.

Any moderator should at least be able to impersonate an adult.

-- peer

Mr. Wilson wrote:
> That said, part of the build up for that is a direct
> result of people who feel they can bait me and not
> suffer any consequence.

Peer you wrote:
Any moderator should be above that.

First of all Peer, a Moderator should not have to deal with this type of infantile behavior, they already have enough to do!!

Mr. Wilson wrote:
There are people who are taking great pleasure in seeing the forum equivalent of a prison riot.

Peer you wrote:
Any moderator should be above that.

Second of all Peer, there are many people who serve no other purpose except to agitate others on this forum. They Hijack posts for no other reason except to cause turbulences and to provoke negative behavior from forum members. Then we have the next group of individuals who bring politics to a billiard forum. These people need not be named because we all know who they are, they feel a need to inject their political views into every forum and any post on this site. They never offer billiard related information, and only use this forum to promote their political agenda. Peer why should this be allowed, and what purpose is served?

Mr. Wilson wrote:
> People, you can kid yourselves that I am not allowed to
> like one person more than another. I do not understand where
> or how such a fantasy world could be believed to exist.

Peer you wrote:
Any moderator should be able to treat all members equally.

Mr. Wilson's statement above in no way states that his treatment of Az members is not equal. In fact his statement above clearly proves that he understands it is impossible for anyone not to like one person more than another, and by saying this he is confirming that he is aware of this fact and that this is not clouding his judgment. Peer, most people who are bias are unable to see this trait within themselves.

To me Peer, you appear to be very Bias. I personally think that you should take the time look in the mirror and evaluate what is looking back at you.
This is a private forum, the people who own and operate it do so as a service to us the membership. They set rules and they put individuals in place to enforce these rules. The membership of this forum do not have the right to disrupt this forum because of decisions that are made according to forum policies. The nonsense that has been going on here over the last few days over the banning of a popular member who violated the forum policies is foolish, and serves no ones purpose. If there is a problem with a Moderator those concerned should privately contact his Boss and identify the problems that are disrupting the integrity and the content of this forum, not disrupt the forums intended purpose which is to allow the membership to share billiard related information in a fun, enlightening, and professional manner.

Enclosing, I think that for those who dislike, feel violated, or think that they or anyone else is above this forums policies should go some where that makes themselves feel comfortable. Because know one is all knowing and know one is always right and know one should loose sleep due to anyone else's opinion on any subject.

By the Peer, everyone is expendable and life will continue without any one of us.

Have a nice Night Peer!!!!

manwon

 

[catscradle]

... In any community you will have a tiny percentage who are like The "Zen Cueist" or JimBo, or whatever....

X, all I ask of you is please don't put Jimbo in the same basket as "Zen Cueists". Some people have a problem with Jim's style and I understand to an extent, but in the end Jim "keeps it real". "Zen Cueists" on the other hand, well ...

As always, I leave you with, keep up the good non-smoking behaviour.

 

[classiccues]

As I said earlier, his infantile ultimatum to Jimbo reminds me of being in kindergarden.

-- peer

Peer,
Maybe so, but if this is the case, the ultimatum matched the crime and the perp.

JV

 

[ScottR]

Appears that you're in the minority on this thread. I believe Wilson has expressed himself quite well, and has given no indication of being overworked. I'd rather not remark about your final statement, other than I find it irritating.

Jay, that is because posts are being deleted or modified. I know mine was.

 

[jay helfert]

Jay, that is because posts are being deleted or modified. I know mine was.

That bothers me to hear that. Please post it again Scott.

 

[arcticmonkey]

deleted...

 

[TATE]

Jay Helfert (who I respect because he uses his real name) wrote:
> You have a thankless job. Look at all the positive posts
> here and than look at the one from Peer. A totally different
> interpretation of the same message.

Well, if you look at the poll -- it's only 40% of the members who think Mr. Wilson is doing a good job.

With that said, I happen to think that Mr. Wilson is a great & good person (something I've told him privately a few times), however, when he gets into this "my way or the highway" mode, which in this case cost us a valuable contributor of this forum, I would like to see changes. Either get a new moderator who can separate his personal vendettas from his job, or better yet, get more moderators to help him. He's obviously overworked.

As I said earlier, his infantile ultimatum to Jimbo reminds me of being in kindergarden.

-- peer

I just want to point out that the poll isn't about whether Dave is doing a good job, but whether the current moderator system is the best one for all interests. It originally wasn't set up to be a single person operation but ended up that way by default. Like you said, it would be a difficult thing to do for any individual.

Chris

 

[JoeyA]

Buddy/ Ignore lists

Bannings don't just come from thin air.

Jimbo, Sweet Marissa, drivermaker, Shorty, Rude Dog, Pool Sleuth, Silencer, Fast Larry, etc. earned what they got. I don't care if they're all banned forever. If you get banned, it's your own fault, so deal with it and move on. I'm tired of all the crying about this guy or that guy shouldn't have been banned. Wah!

If I'm acting like a damn fool on this board, I get banned. Period.

Keep banning 'em all Mr. Wilson. I couldn't care less. It just means I don't have to wade thru all the stupid drama to get to some pool topics. Works just fine for me.

This forum member supports the efforts of the owners and mods on this site to reign in the drama queens and agitators.

While I understand that many people have been banned quite justly I also don't care much for the whining and the attempt at intimidation or the bashing of fellow AZ members or management. I believe there is a feature whereby you can place any member on the Ignore list under the USer CP tab, which could possibly lead to your not seeing their posts. I have never used this feature but am just guessing that this is one way to avoid having to "wade through all the stupid drama". If this feature works differently I would love to know.
Thanks,
JoeyA

 

[Mr. Wilson]

Jay, that is because posts are being deleted or modified. I know mine was.

This is just shy of the truth, for the reason that entire threads were removed.

What did *you* post that was removed, and what thread was it in?


If you are going to make it sound like you are being picked on,
i'll help clear things up.

 

[Billy_Bob]

I don't usually respond to these things. I prefer to read and respond to pool related discussions only and I realize that my doing this will help to keep the forum on topic. It would be fine with me if non-pool threads were automatically moved out of the main forum.

But being as this is a "sticky", I'll add my 2 cents....

I feel I am a "guest" here. It is a privilege for me to be allowed to post messages here and read the excellent advice given.

When I am a guest somewhere, I try to respect the wishes of the homeowner. Then I know I will be invited back.

Same thing when I invite people to my house. Most people respect my wishes.

There have been a couple of destructive people who came over and thought they could destroy my pool equipment. Shoot balls off the table, carelessly drop my cues on the floor, cheat/shark, etc.

These people will not be invited back. (I learned later that the reason one of these people wanted to come over and play pool was that he was kicked out of the bars and had nowhere else to go...)

To quote what I heard a bar owner say to troublesome customers....
"My way or the highway!"

 

[ScottW]

Like others have said, being a mod is a thankless job. Anytime one person has (or is percieved to have) more power/priviledges than another, the second party often feels slighted and feels obligated to act out for a variety of reasons, most of those reasons being bad/unjustified.

I've been on both sides, so I can appreciate both sides - at least, the parts of both sides where folks act like adults.

In my experience, Mr. Wilson is one of the more *tolerant* mods. I've known folks who have had mod privs and itchy banstick trigger fingers. That's not the case here on AZB.

I've seen all sorts of "this is why X was banned" claims here lately, from folks who could NOT have any real clue on what happened - as they weren't sitting there reading every exchange. More angry ramblings from uninvolved folks. People don't get banned without good reason - as no moderator wants to be on the recieving end of the inevitable backlash without knowing the ban he/she laid down was righteous.

If people could simply act like adults and not adult-sized adolescents, none of us would have to deal with this sort of BS.

 

[Jim Baxter]

I'm new to this Forum thing and haven't posted much. I have been reading most of the posts, get really sick of someone Hi-Jacking and others chimming in. I think Manwon has said best. I hope Mr. Wilson gets even tougher on some of the A-- Holes that have nothing but negative comments. Thanks Jim

 

[TX Poolnut]

While I understand that many people have been banned quite justly I also don't care much for the whining and the attempt at intimidation or the bashing of fellow AZ members or management. I believe there is a feature whereby you can place any member on the Ignore list under the USer CP tab, which could possibly lead to your not seeing their posts. I have never used this feature but am just guessing that this is one way to avoid having to "wade through all the stupid drama". If this feature works differently I would love to know.
Thanks,
JoeyA

I've used the ignore feature and it stinks. Anyone who has used the ignore function can see the uselessness it provides.

There you go Mr. Wilson and AZHousepro. JoeyA has given you the answer to your problem. Just put Jimbo on your ignore lists.

The issues of me ignoring a poster and of Mr. Wilson banning a member are two completely different things. What was this thread about?

 

[Peer]

Billy Bob wrote:
> I feel I am a "guest" here. It is a privilege for me to be allowed
> to post messages here and read the excellent advice given.


That's the same way I feel, and that's also why I would like to get as much as possible out of this forum.

Hence, I hate to see a member like JimBo, who has undisputedly quite a bit of knowledge in our field, getting booted off because Mr. Wilson somehow decided to implement his personal vendetta to the duties as a moderator.

But if this is what some of you want, I regress. However, I still think we lost a valuable and very resourceful member through this puerile act.

This is all I have to say in this matter. Have fun arguing & being self-righteous among yourself -- I'm done.

-- peer

 

[rhncue]

Billy Bob wrote:
> I feel I am a "guest" here. It is a privilege for me to be allowed
> to post messages here and read the excellent advice given.


That's the same way I feel, and that's also why I would like to get as much as possible out of this forum.

Hence, I hate to see a member like JimBo, who has undisputedly quite a bit of knowledge in our field, getting booted off because Mr. Wilson somehow decided to implement his personal vendetta to the duties as a moderator.

But if this is what some of you want, I regress. However, I still think we lost a valuable and very resourceful member through this puerile act.

This is all I have to say in this matter. Have fun arguing & being self-righteous among yourself -- I'm done.

-- peer

Thank God!

Dick

 

[classiccues]

Billy Bob wrote:
> I feel I am a "guest" here. It is a privilege for me to be allowed
> to post messages here and read the excellent advice given.


That's the same way I feel, and that's also why I would like to get as much as possible out of this forum.

Hence, I hate to see a member like JimBo, who has undisputedly quite a bit of knowledge in our field, getting booted off because Mr. Wilson somehow decided to implement his personal vendetta to the duties as a moderator.

But if this is what some of you want, I regress. However, I still think we lost a valuable and very resourceful member through this puerile act.

This is all I have to say in this matter. Have fun arguing & being self-righteous among yourself -- I'm done.

-- peer

Peer,
What vendetta would Wilson have against Jimbo? There was nothing but Wilson doing his job. IMHO when a warning is given, which it was multiple times, and a person decides they are larger than the corporate entity, he must be able to do the time. Hey, we all have jobs, when your boss says, hey quit goofing off, you quit goofing off, or your fired. When your kid is drawing on the walls with a crayon and he ignores your warnings, what do you do? You give him a timeout. It's pretty simple and really doesn't need to be explained, or justified. The rules of engagement are quite clear.
Now I will go on to say there are threads that have been bigger train wrecks, but we all like looking at the carnage. Sometimes the banter can be amusing and you know when you see something like that it gives you that itch to partake in the fracas. Look at the IPT thread(s) alone, there have been some things that probably crossed the line.
Back to the issue at hand. I, Jimbo, cueaddicts, pharoah, we are no more important than a person that posted 3 times. Just because we have been here longer, doesn't give any of us a pass. In fact since we all contribute in different ways, you would think we would exhibit better behavior to encourage more interaction amongst the lurkers. Lets say you frequent a pool hall and a newbie comes in, do you make fun of his stroke, his bridge or his inability to pocket balls? Or do you help him out and give him tips?

JV

 

[manwon]

Thank God!

Dick

Dito, Dito, Dito!!!!!!!!!

Manwon

 

[manwon]

Peer,
What vendetta would Wilson have against Jimbo? There was nothing but Wilson doing his job. IMHO when a warning is given, which it was multiple times, and a person decides they are larger than the corporate entity, he must be able to do the time. Hey, we all have jobs, when your boss says, hey quit goofing off, you quit goofing off, or your fired. When your kid is drawing on the walls with a crayon and he ignores your warnings, what do you do? You give him a timeout. It's pretty simple and really doesn't need to be explained, or justified. The rules of engagement are quite clear.
Now I will go on to say there are threads that have been bigger train wrecks, but we all like looking at the carnage. Sometimes the banter can be amusing and you know when you see something like that it gives you that itch to partake in the fracas. Look at the IPT thread(s) alone, there have been some things that probably crossed the line.
Back to the issue at hand. I, Jimbo, cueaddicts, pharoah, we are no more important than a person that posted 3 times. Just because we have been here longer, doesn't give any of us a pass. In fact since we all contribute in different ways, you would think we would exhibit better behavior to encourage more interaction amongst the lurkers. Lets say you frequent a pool hall and a newbie comes in, do you make fun of his stroke, his bridge or his inability to pocket balls? Or do you help him out and give him tips?

JV

Dito, Dito, Dito!!!!!!!!!!!

Manwon

 

[wayne]

Appears that you're in the minority on this thread. I believe Wilson has expressed himself quite well, and has given no indication of being overworked. I'd rather not remark about your final statement, other than I find it irritating.

I would have to weigh in as disagreeing with Wilson's handling of Jimbo. I don't know what Jimbo has posted prior to what he got warned for and maybe Wilson was sick of him but what he posted and Wilson's directive to him made no sense to me. Jimbo had attacked what a poster had said which was a completely false statement. He never called him an idiot but Wilson wanted him to apologize for calling him an idiot. He worded his post to the poster in a way that forced the poster to go back and correct the error of his ways and made him read correctly. The poster didn't seem offended and responded to Jimbo a couple of times and corrected himself. Then Wilson came in with the directive that he had to apologize or be banned. Apologize for what? For correcting the posters false statements in a way that made that poster correct himself. For his generalization that idiots that have been posting for less than a year and can't read correctly tick him off? Forcing someone to say they are sorry, not on their own determinism, seems ridiculous to me. If he was to say he was sorry to the poster it would probably have to read like this "I am sorry you can't read correctly and came up with false conclusions which lead me to believe your reading comprehension may be 4th grade, I am really sorry." Otherwise, he wouldn't have been stating the truth about what he was sorry about and the quote would have got him banned anyway even though it was true.

Wayne

 

[jay helfert]

I would have to weigh in as disagreeing with Wilson's handling of Jimbo. I don't know what Jimbo has posted prior to what he got warned for and maybe Wilson was sick of him but what he posted and Wilson's directive to him made no sense to me. Jimbo had attacked what a poster had said which was a completely false statement. He never called him an idiot but Wilson wanted him to apologize for calling him an idiot. He worded his post to the poster in a way that forced the poster to go back and correct the error of his ways and made him read correctly. The poster didn't seem offended and responded to Jimbo a couple of times and corrected himself. Then Wilson came in with the directive that he had to apologize or be banned. Apologize for what? For correcting the posters false statements in a way that made that poster correct himself. For his generalization that idiots that have been posting for less than a year and can't read correctly tick him off? Forcing someone to say they are sorry, not on their own determinism, seems ridiculous to me. If he was to say he was sorry to the poster it would probably have to read like this "I am sorry you can't read correctly and came up with false conclusions which lead me to believe your reading comprehension may be 4th grade, I am really sorry." Otherwise, he wouldn't have been stating the truth about what he was sorry about and the quote would have got him banned anyway even though it was true.

Wayne

Wayne,

I'm not sure why you addressed this post to me. I have never made any comment on the Jimbo situation one way or the other. Or maybe you just like me.