Opinions regarding a former top pro playing in and dominating a Poolroom‘s weekly handicapped tournament?

Exactly....Joss being a pro event anyone can play.

The last few y

Joss is a pro tour.

Dennis won most of the events he attended.

With the competition, auction, discounted entry for non pros and for many years the Sunday 2nd chance event for non pros Mike Zuglan has given the amateurs plenty of reason to play. He gets very good fields every stop as he has for decades.
One might argue that there's difference in an open tournament and a pro tournament. If I hold a tournament and don't ban pros from attending, but none show up, can I fairly still call it a pro tournament? The top four points leaders on the Joss tour have an average Fargo rating of 724. I would call the Joss tour a regional tour. I do agree that Zuglan does a great job with the tour though. The Turning Stone events are always one of my favorites (I'm just a spectator).
 
This is solid advice in of itself. My thoughts regarding playing stronger to glean knowledge and experience comes from my own personal experience being "the sucker" and coming out on the other side for the better. Nearly all that enjoyed torturing me during those years won't bet with me these days. It's actually become friendly banter when we cross paths.

Of course everyone's experiences will differ to some degree. However literally everyone I know on a personal level that runs my speed or higher. Has gone through the same whipping when cutting their teeth. Youth graving instant gratification, or the older crowd unable to learn new tricks will paint the road of hard knocks as a fool's errand.

Those less skilled will lose to those who are stronger. Although I wouldn't be surprised to see someone on AZB argue that. I would hope nearly all would agree. If some choose to believe there's zero to be gained by suffering loss. Then they might as well place an exponent beside that check mark in the loss column. However, those who have the drive will find something to be gained in every experience. Getting steam rolled after a bad decision is probably one of the best lessons that can be learnt. The trick there is you have to actually make the bad decision AND take ownership of it. You can't do either by watching someone else.

So what do you do...? Expose yourself to likely losses...?..., or cuddle with you participation ribbons...?
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I was never conned into anything. I made the choice in an effort to improve my game. No different then entering Open tournaments I knew I had zero chance of cashing in. Small money well spent imo. To each their own.

I also refuse to accept wagers from notably weaker players. I rather agree to have them simply pay for time, and I pass on what I can.

Did a better player touch you in a bad place...?
Not yet, but it's early. Whatcha doing cowboy?
 
If you are going to keep this better player, you keep adjusting until it is tough for him to win. If he stops coming then you know he was only playing because it was easy, this is what I suspect will happen. Handicapped tournaments are made to equalize the playing field to some degree. Do not make it a tough road for the other 30-40 players, they are the ones paying the bills. Losing one player, out of 30-40 is not an issue.

JV
 
Your writings suggest you've been around pool for a few days and then you say things like
-was the 9 on the break planned
-did you know that break or always it luck?

P.S. johns look was not 'uh', it was 'dear lord, it this what must happen to me in order for this guy to win a game?'.
The break was using a template rack on a 7 foot table. The plan was for the rear ball to go to the foot rail and straight back to hit the 9 ball which remains where it was racked. My technique was setting the cueball approximately 2 inches off center and hitting the one ball square so whitey pops straight back. The 2 inch shift moves the path of the rear ball just enough that when it returns to the 9 ball it has a chance of going to the upper corner. Maybe even the side but the intention is the corner. It's a dangerous break because the 1 ball goes in the same direction making a 1-9 possible. if no.ball is pocketed my opponent could like it. Making another ball would be lucky. In my practice it was about 1 in 3 making another ball. Making the 9 ball is longer odds, maybe 1 in 10 or longer. 🤷‍♂️ The 1 and 9 being close together gave a second chance at "I got lucky" If another ball is made. This time I got lucky and made it on the snap. Playing a Professional leads me to employing that break. I would not use it against a Banger.
I got lucky but it was a calculated rolling of the dice.
 
Keep a pair of triple thick prescription glasses behind the counter.
Win 2 weeks in a row, you play the next one as Mr. Magoo😃
Marshall was a good friend in Seattle that wore the coke bottle glasses. His challenge was that he would shot without them if you would wear them! When he told me of the game I donned his glasses (just to see) and I got dizzy just trying. Major respect to Marshall.
 
put the handicap on the champ, like he shoots one handed or behind his back or left handed or standing on one foot.
The one handed was employed at The White Spot New Years Eve tournament. It was mixed Doubles Scotch 9 ball. The men were required to shoot one handed. Well on new years eve the other hand was needed to hold my beer. 🤷‍♂️ I was quite proficient that way and consistently left my wife perfect shape only to have her leave me hooked. Grrrr finally she left me very nice shape. Well just right for me to make mine and leave her dead hooked. It was funny and Lenny announced over the mic, "immediately after the tournament, divorce court will be held for Jackie and Greg." What fun.
As for the Left handed.....don't throw me into that briar patch. I am not the Lone Ranger in that regard. One night after close I was in the back of our minivan burning one with Cole. I turned Chatty Cathy and started bragging on my Left handed game that I was just finding. Cole asked, "how good Do you shoot left handed?" Well I was high is my excuse for my bold reply of, "As good as you". His expression told me... Oooops. His next statement of, "I can get the owner to let us back in" was followed by, "how much money do you have on you?" My honest reply of "about 200", was followed by a short(heart racing on my part) pause, then a smile and "let's have another hit." Felt like I dodged a bullet and learned to watch my mouth.
 
The break was using a template rack on a 7 foot table. The plan was for the rear ball to go to the foot rail and straight back to hit the 9 ball which remains where it was racked. My technique was setting the cueball approximately 2 inches off center and hitting the one ball square so whitey pops straight back. The 2 inch shift moves the path of the rear ball just enough that when it returns to the 9 ball it has a chance of going to the upper corner. Maybe even the side but the intention is the corner. It's a dangerous break because the 1 ball goes in the same direction making a 1-9 possible. if no.ball is pocketed my opponent could like it. Making another ball would be lucky. In my practice it was about 1 in 3 making another ball. Making the 9 ball is longer odds, maybe 1 in 10 or longer. 🤷‍♂️ The 1 and 9 being close together gave a second chance at "I got lucky" If another ball is made. This time I got lucky and made it on the snap. Playing a Professional leads me to employing that break. I would not use it against a Banger.
I got lucky but it was a calculated rolling of the dice.
If I can get John to put up half, you got 5 tries to do it again and call the pocket with him racking.
 
Nearly all that enjoyed torturing me during those years won't bet with me these days.
My early ring game experiences mirror that. At first when I entered through the front door the call went out, "Ring Game!" The progress was slow but eventually, I would enter to see them checking watches followed by. "I gotta go", followed by a variety of reasons.
 
If I can get John to put up half, you got 5 tries to do it again and call the pocket with him racking.
No thanks. Not my kind of odds.
It's been over a decade since I even tried That break. How about even money I can move the 9 ball in that direction? 😉
 
I am beginning to wonder if this is a handicap thread. Shirley I am exceeding the post limit.
Well if I was stoned I would be offering a words spot. Oh hell make that paragraphs. "I'll give you a 2 paragraphs and one off topic spot." Would be my challenge. Pretty sure I can roast em on the off topic end but have no chance on the word count. 😉
 
Perhaps I should be barred as A Profesional......uh Shit Disturber.
Nah I have been on My best behavior.....mostly. 😉
 
... So what do you do...? Expose yourself to likely losses...?..., or cuddle with you participation ribbons...?
I think the best situation for learning how to play with pressure is to play in tournaments where you are about in the middle of the pack. You can learn techniques and shots from the better players and work on winning when you should from the weaker players.

A 400 will learn nothing about actually playing by entering the US Open.
 
All of the strong players I've met have been unanimously in support of playing the strongest players you can as often as can if you are serious about improving.
I understand that for some playing a stronger player can be daunting or get them nervous, but I find it exciting.

I play my absolute best against strong players. It's like there's no pressure for me to win so I figure I'll let my stroke out. I'm meant to lose, might as well have some fun. And then I think things like "wouldn't it be funny if I won?" Then sometimes I do, or at least give them a game where they have to buckle down.

Some strong players, can really get thrown off their game if they sense you aren't starstruck. The human mind is a funny thing and people watching can be fun in pool. :) We have a local very good player who gives lessons and such, has students, well known. He's really good, but if you don't seem starstruck or nervous about playing him, he really struggles. He usually pulls out the win, but the dynamic is a fun one to try to figure out.

I'm currently trying to fix a mental error in my game. I play great against really good players, but against people at my level or below I find it hard to focus and usually play badly.
 
you never give wild balls on the break. they get spotted and he keeps shooting same as you. but his stay down when you make them.
Not everywhere.
Lots of ways to handicap.

Seen alot of ridiculous spots gambling and I know
1 The guy offering the spot knows he can outrun the nuts
2 The guy getting weight thinks it's a lock
3 The better player usually wins
 
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