Opinions wanted on veneer colors

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Just looking to receive some feedback on what I have in mind.

I'm having a cue built by Skip Weston and it is going to be a curly maple forearm with 4 ebony points.
I love the traditional looking cues but would also like to incorporate my favorite wood, bocote, into the cue.
For veneers I'm thinking of going: Bocote/Ebony/Bocote/Ebony from inside out.

Remember that Skip only uses hardwood for veneers and no dyed sycamore.

Any thoughts and opinions would be greatly appreciated. Unless of course you hate bocote, in which case I will ignore you :D j/k

Thanks,
Koop
 
Sounds like a nice veneer combo. Skips points are so crisp--his work is top notch. I find his standard shaft taper is a bit too lively for me. If I were to have him make me another cue I'd go with a shorter taper.

Martin

Koop said:
Just looking to receive some feedback on what I have in mind.

I'm having a cue built by Skip Weston and it is going to be a curly maple forearm with 4 ebony points.
I love the traditional looking cues but would also like to incorporate my favorite wood, bocote, into the cue.
For veneers I'm thinking of going: Bocote/Ebony/Bocote/Ebony from inside out.

Remember that Skip only uses hardwood for veneers and no dyed sycamore.

Any thoughts and opinions would be greatly appreciated. Unless of course you hate bocote, in which case I will ignore you :D j/k

Thanks,
Koop
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Koop said:
Bocote/Ebony/Bocote/Ebony from inside out.
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My first suggestion you won't like: get another cue with a bocote forearm, and choose "classic" veneer colors for this one. Bacote will be hard to see against Ebony, and from a distance you'll think it's a non-veneered cue...which is not good considering how much $$$ you'll be paying for those crisp, perfect veneers.

If you must have bocote somewhere in this cue, I'd go with one single bocote veneer, and treat it like you would a brown veneer. So something like Ebony/Satinwood (yellow)/Bacote/Satinwood (out to in).

I doubt you could see the grain of bacote once it's cut into veneers, so I think in the end your efforts will be moot, but at least you'll know there's bacote somewhere in your cue.

-Roger (have thought long and hard on Skip's veneer choices)
 
Koop said:
Just looking to receive some feedback on what I have in mind.

I'm having a cue built by Skip Weston and it is going to be a curly maple forearm with 4 ebony points.
I love the traditional looking cues but would also like to incorporate my favorite wood, bocote, into the cue.
For veneers I'm thinking of going: Bocote/Ebony/Bocote/Ebony from inside out.

Remember that Skip only uses hardwood for veneers and no dyed sycamore.

Any thoughts and opinions would be greatly appreciated. Unless of course you hate bocote, in which case I will ignore you :D j/k

Thanks,
Koop
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Koop,

If you are dead set on a 4 point cue, I would do something with bacote points into ebony. As "veneers" alone, you probably won't get much effect of the grain.

If you really want to increase the focus on the bacote, might I suggest an 8-point cue by Skip. It's probably been a while since he's done one and I think if you like the ebony into curly set-up, go with something like this....4 ebony points with 4 veneer colors satinwood, ebony, bacote, & ebony veneers [from the inside to outside] and then have him do bacote "shadow" points. I think something like that might tie in the bacote veneers better and still let you appreciate the grain in that wood. You may could also substitute some kind of rosewood or paduak for the innermost ebony listed above if you want 4 distinct veneer colors instead of alternating black with a color.

Sean
 
buddha162 said:
My first suggestion you won't like: get another cue with a bocote forearm, and choose "classic" veneer colors for this one. Bacote will be hard to see against Ebony, and from a distance you'll think it's a non-veneered cue...which is not good considering how much $$$ you'll be paying for those crisp, perfect veneers.

If you must have bocote somewhere in this cue, I'd go with one single bocote veneer, and treat it like you would a brown veneer. So something like Ebony/Satinwood (yellow)/Bacote/Satinwood (out to in).

I doubt you could see the grain of bacote once it's cut into veneers, so I think in the end your efforts will be moot, but at least you'll know there's bacote somewhere in your cue.

-Roger (have thought long and hard on Skip's veneer choices)
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Thanks Roger and that is also my fear, that I won't be able to see the grain. Maybe I'll just stick with my original colors and get over the fact that I might not have bocote in this cue.
My original thought was to have Curly Maple/Vera Wood(Olive green)/Mahagony/Ebony from inside out.

I'll keep thinking as I have a little time.

Regards,
Koop
 
cueaddicts said:
Koop,

If you are dead set on a 4 point cue, I would do something with bacote points into ebony. As "veneers" alone, you probably won't get much effect of the grain.

If you really want to increase the focus on the bacote, might I suggest an 8-point cue by Skip. It's probably been a while since he's done one and I think if you like the ebony into curly set-up, go with something like this....4 ebony points with 4 veneer colors satinwood, ebony, bacote, & ebony veneers [from the inside to outside] and then have him do bacote "shadow" points. I think something like that might tie in the bacote veneers better and still let you appreciate the grain in that wood. You may could also substitute some kind of rosewood or paduak for the innermost ebony listed above if you want 4 distinct veneer colors instead of alternating black with a color.

Sean
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Thank you Sean. I replied around the same time. I'm curious to know your opinion to my reply.

Thank you,
Koop
 
Koop said:
Thank you Sean. I replied around the same time. I'm curious to know your opinion to my reply.

Thank you,
Koop
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Are you planning to have any ivory inlay work? If so and it were me, I'd probably go with a more traditional look (ebony into curly). If you have bacote as a main wood in the points or forearm it will probably take over the cue. The more I think of the 8-pt set-up with bacote shadow points, the more I like it. I might be onto something...... :D
 
cueaddicts said:
Are you planning to have any ivory inlay work? If so and it were me, I'd probably go with a more traditional look (ebony into curly). If you have bacote as a main wood in the points or forearm it will probably take over the cue. The more I think of the 8-pt set-up with bacote shadow points, the more I like it. I might be onto something...... :D
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Sean,

No ivory inlays. I'm not big on inlays, moreso just on the color combinations.

I hate to admit it but I think Roscoe is onto something ;)

I just looked at a combo using cocobolo and it looks real nice.

Regards,
Koop

P.S. That bocote idea does sound sweet.
 
Koop said:
Thanks Roger and that is also my fear, that I won't be able to see the grain. Maybe I'll just stick with my original colors and get over the fact that I might not have bocote in this cue.
My original thought was to have Curly Maple/Vera Wood(Olive green)/Mahagony/Ebony from inside out.

I'll keep thinking as I have a little time.

Regards,
Koop
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Koop,
I like your original thought. Maybe you could get bacote joint protectors.
 
Koop said:
Sean,

No ivory inlays. I'm not big on inlays, moreso just on the color combinations.

I hate to admit it but I think Roscoe is onto something ;)

I just looked at a combo using cocobolo and it looks real nice.

Regards,
Koop

P.S. That bocote idea does sound sweet.
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Argghhhh, it's really hard to agree with Ross, but I like coco better too. :rolleyes:
 
Koop ...

My cue has Mexican bacote and African Paduak in the
butt with a Southwestern flavor to it. In the points,
Bob used coco which looks real good against the
medium shades of bacote and paduak. The wood
blends look real good together, and do not have a
overly contrasting look, which I don't really care for
in a cue. I am not real big on having too much white
in a cue either, so my cue suits my style like I want.
I do think Bacote needs space to really show off the
beauty of the wood, not just thin cuts of it.
 
Koop said:
Just looking to receive some feedback on what I have in mind.

I'm having a cue built by Skip Weston and it is going to be a curly maple forearm with 4 ebony points.
I love the traditional looking cues but would also like to incorporate my favorite wood, bocote, into the cue.
For veneers I'm thinking of going: Bocote/Ebony/Bocote/Ebony from inside out.

Remember that Skip only uses hardwood for veneers and no dyed sycamore.

Any thoughts and opinions would be greatly appreciated. Unless of course you hate bocote, in which case I will ignore you :D j/k

Thanks,
Koop
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Koop, the cue I just got from Skip last month came out great. Four point cocobolo into curly maple with maple, cocobolo, maple, cocobolo veneers. Skip used an awesome grained piece of cocobolo for the butt sleeve and the points. White faux ivory joint, 3/8 x 10 pin, short white faux ivory butt plate, maple stitch rings at the joint and a stitch ring just above the butt plate. Very simple but striking looking cue in person. Hits fantastic!
 
Koop said:
Just looking to receive some feedback on what I have in mind.

I'm having a cue built by Skip Weston and it is going to be a curly maple forearm with 4 ebony points.
I love the traditional looking cues but would also like to incorporate my favorite wood, bocote, into the cue.
For veneers I'm thinking of going: Bocote/Ebony/Bocote/Ebony from inside out.

Remember that Skip only uses hardwood for veneers and no dyed sycamore.

Any thoughts and opinions would be greatly appreciated. Unless of course you hate bocote, in which case I will ignore you :D j/k

Thanks,
Koop
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Koop,

I just got my first custom this summer and it is bocote w/ebony. I think they look great together. My concern, like the others, would be that the grain effect would be negated by having such a small piece of it.

I've attached a photo of my cue to show you how nice the two woods contrast. The best part of this cue is the grip. I didn't get a wrap (don't care for them) and as it turns out, that's where the best looking part of the bocote grain came out.

Good luck with your choice!
 

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Thanks for the input everyone. I actually got creative and downloaded swatches from the internet and put together a little webpage.
I have my favorite of the combos listed but I'd be curious to know what you guys think.

Thanks,
Koop

http://www.geocities.com/ddkoop15/index.html

You will notice that I have excluded bocote from the veneers. I think everyone was right about it being too small.
 
cueaddicts said:
If you really want to increase the focus on the bacote, might I suggest an 8-point cue by Skip. It's probably been a while since he's done one and I think if you like the ebony into curly set-up, go with something like this....4 ebony points with 4 veneer colors satinwood, ebony, bacote, & ebony veneers [from the inside to outside] and then have him do bacote "shadow" points.

Sean
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Sean,

Skip just finished my 8-point cue a month ago...lol.
 
zeeder said:
Sean,

Skip just finished my 8-point cue a month ago...lol.
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And mine a week after that.

I think you should ditch the Bacote for this cue. If you must, follow Sean's advice in using shadow points, but even there I can think of many woods that would do a better job.

I really think that Bacote adds nothing to a pointed cue. As a plain jane forearm or handle it could be beautiful...

-Roger (admittedly not a fan of Bacote in general)
 
buddha162 said:
And mine a week after that.

I think you should ditch the Bacote for this cue. If you must, follow Sean's advice in using shadow points, but even there I can think of many woods that would do a better job.

I really think that Bacote adds nothing to a pointed cue. As a plain jane forearm or handle it could be beautiful...

-Roger (admittedly not a fan of Bacote in general)
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Hey Roger,

Thanks for the input and I have decided against using bocote on this cue. I agree that to make it into a traditional looking cue, it really wouldn't go with the woods I am choosing.
I have settled on Curly Maple / Cocobolo / Goncalo Alves / Ebony from inside out.

I appreciate the responses from everyone.

Koop
 
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