Outstanding cue maker acts the rogue

Bigjohn said:
Failure to communicate... whether it be to the buyer or to this thread can be disasterous to ones rep. If this cuemaker had communicated...we would not be having this discussion. As I said before... There is NO EXCUSE for lack of communication.. None!
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Absolutes are always so interesting.

So, lets say this cue maker, sniffed too much pink ivory dust and lapsed into a coma and is in the hospital near death and without consciousness, no phone or internet access. Would this still fall under your NO EXCUSE proviso or would this actually qualify as an excuse for lack of communication ? (because if it does, I can come up with 237649187561 more possibilities and seeing we have only heard one side of this story, and that side 2nd hand, I hesitate to rush to judgment).

Thanks

Kevin
 
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deanoc said:
I introduced a good friend to a cue maker of high repute>The cue maker took $big bucks from him for a cue because he had a need

Now this rogue will not even answer the phone or return his calls>The customer is not a pest but a fine older gentleman who has always acted honorably,and now finds himself in a medically induced straight

This cue maker,who sports a big reputation on here seems to me to be little more than a petty crook and deserving of an exposure of reputation.

I fear that he is not a man of honor and this could happen to others

what would you AZ people think should be done to help this innocent customer and protect others in the future?

I am not at this time revealing the name,here or in private
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Not nearly enough information here. How long did the cue maker say it would take to make this cue stick? What was the original agreement? Some very reputable cue makers have waiting lists that are years long. Just saying. So far only a lot of words from you about nothing. It's hard to form an opinion about anybody or anything with such sketchy info.
 
If the cuemaker is a member of the American Cuemaker's Association, you might have your friend submit a complaint to the ACA. I'm chairman of the ACA ethics committee. We will look into the matter.

Please note: We can only do so much. If it comes to a "he said vs. he said" situation, we can only take down the facts, and discuss it with the two parties. If we get repeat complaints about one particular cuemaker, however, then we have the evidence that we can act on. We have settled several problems over the years. None of those cuemakers are still members. We didn't kick them out, but they could see the handwriting on the wall.

--JIM BUSS--
http://www.jimbuss.com
 
My friend told me the story
i am sure of the facts
it is my sincere hope the cue maker sees and reads and gets this taken care of
He and I have a close personal friend

i will encourage my friend to tell the whole story if he is left hanging

i will not be giving out any name in public,but i can verify if it goes that far
 
deanoc said:
My friend told me the story
i am sure of the facts
it is my sincere hope the cue maker sees and reads and gets this taken care of
He and I have a close personal friend

i will encourage my friend to tell the whole story if he is left hanging

i will not be giving out any name in public,but i can verify if it goes that far
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You do not have to give names,but a picture would be nice.:thumbup:
Just kidding,Jack
 
hey deano...

i would always trust anything you said and i do here as well, but there are those that do not know you

so let me say this, you have always been a perfect gentleman. a man who truly knows cues and truly knows great makers and have always stood by their sides like you did for Mike Cochran and his wife, family. for those who know about you there is nothing more to say...

i wish i could help you, but i can't. i can only say that you will know what to do at the appropriate time.

i hope all is well with you and yours,
all the best,
smokey
 
smokey said:
i would always trust anything you said and i do here as well, but there are those that do not know you

so let me say this, you have always been a perfect gentleman. a man who truly knows cues and truly knows great makers and have always stood by their sides like you did for Mike Cochran and his wife, family. for those who know about you there is nothing more to say...

i wish i could help you, but i can't. i can only say that you will know what to do at the appropriate time.

i hope all is well with you and yours,
all the best,
smokey
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Good post Smokey who is someone who seems to know Dean on a personal level. There are some valid opinions on both sides of the fence here.

Dean, have you personall tried to contact the cuemaker via PM, email, phone call? How many times and what time length?

For your friend, it sounds like he has tried to do the same. How many times and what time length are we talking about here? Are you purely thinking he "may be" a crook purely due to the communication? Has he ripped people off before?

Kevin had a good point that there are things that could be keeping him from communicating and hopefully nothing bad has happened to him preventing this (family emergency, hospitalization etc.).

I am just curious on what time length we are talking about here. I know some cuemakers get a ton of emails/phone calls and are real busy so they may not have time to get back to everyone quickly that is.

Dean I am curious on this phrase:
"The cue maker took $big bucks from him for a cue because he had a need".

It is none of our business on his need but it sounds like your buddy was going to have a cue made while also giving more than a standard deposit up front to help the cue maker out. Hopefully the cuemaker does the right thing. It very well could be something simple on the communication issue (I hope) and something bad. Keep us posted.
 
Dean,
I am by no means a big name cue maker nor do I honestly have any aspirations to become one but I abhor people being taken advantage of so if your friend does not find a resolution acceptable to him I have a couple of cues almost finished I would be more than happy to sell to him at an extremely discounted price. Or if he wants a specific design and it is within the realm of my capabilities I would be happy to make a cue with the cost being little more than supplies. I am nobody in the cue world but I do stand behind the product I produce as a labor of love. Just an offer take it as you wish

Bill
 
kid5020 said:
Dean,
I am by no means a big name cue maker nor do I honestly have any aspirations to become one but I abhor people being taken advantage of so if your friend does not find a resolution acceptable to him I have a couple of cues almost finished I would be more than happy to sell to him at an extremely discounted price. Or if he wants a specific design and it is within the realm of my capabilities I would be happy to make a cue with the cost being little more than supplies. I am nobody in the cue world but I do stand behind the product I produce as a labor of love. Just an offer take it as you wish

Bill
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A very fine gesture. Positive rep for you, sir.
 
Celtic said:
Then don't post the thread at all and stop wasting peoples time and this forums space.
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Here's a thought, stop being a dick and don't post in the thread so I don't need to waste time reading your idiotic posts. He was looking for an opinion and "for now" was going to keep the cuemakers name private. If you don't have a valid opinion on it to help just skip over the thread. Dean is a respected sellar on here and doesn't spam the main forum with threads and is really looking for input here.
 
Spimp13 said:
Here's a thought, stop being a dick and don't post in the thread so I don't need to waste time reading your idiotic posts. He was looking for an opinion and "for now" was going to keep the cuemakers name private. If you don't have a valid opinion on it to help just skip over the thread. Dean is a respected sellar on here and doesn't spam the main forum with threads and is really looking for input here.
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Bunk, we get mulltiple threads like this every bloody month. It is more of a game people play to post a thread to get high view count and get a bunch of people begging the OP for information that is being kept secret, despite it being THE key piece of information that is helpful at all and without it this thread in fact has the chance to do harm.

Now EVERY
cue maker,who sports a big reputation on here
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is a possible candidate for the mystery
petty crook
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We now have a fun game of "there is a killer in the room, but I am not saying who it is!!!" and everyone becomes a suspect and it suddenly treated differently. There are honorable well respected cuemakers who are now being dragged into this who have nothing to do with it whatsoever because the OP chose to start a thread calling a unnamed cuemaker who is well respected on AZB a "petty crook".

Dean trying to get his help should not cause every bloody well respected cuemaker on AZB to suddenly become a suspect and the possibly mystery man. And that is all these bloody threads with people *****ing about being ripped off but then going "oh, but I am not telling any of you who they are!!!" do.
 
Celtic said:
Bunk, we get mulltiple threads like this every bloody month. It is more of a game people play to post a thread to get high view count and get a bunch of people begging the OP for information that is being kept secret, despite it being THE key piece of information that is helpful at all and without it this thread in fact has the chance to do harm.

Now EVERY is a possible candidate for the mystery We now have a fun game of "there is a killer in the room, but I am not saying who it is!!!" and everyone becomes a suspect and it suddenly treated differently. There are honorable well respected cuemakers who are now being dragged into this who have nothing to do with it whatsoever because the OP chose to start a thread calling a unnamed cuemaker who is well respected on AZB a "petty crook".

Dean trying to get his help should not cause every bloody well respected cuemaker on AZB to suddenly become a suspect and the possibly mystery man. And that is all these bloody threads with people *****ing about being ripped off but then going "oh, but I am not telling any of you who they are!!!" do.
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Do you really think Dean is really trying to get a high post count? Really?? Honorable well respected cuemakers being dragged into this? Really? Check Dean's two posts on here and for a second "think" before you type a response. Maybe the cuemaker will see this thread and get it taken care of without their name being mentioned...boom End of thread. Man reading some of these posts make me want to chew my arm off before responding, but just like crack I can't help it and I have to do it.

I am going to give you the biggest and easiest tip you can ever use since this seems to be a constant struggle with you with these threads.

Step 1, when viewing the main forum on AZ I spot yet another cuemaker bash thread.
Step 2...even though I realllllly want to post in there I will just skip over it.
Step 3...I will treat myself to a nice cold blizzard from Dairy Queen for a reward for following steps 1 and 2.

Rinse and repeat.

Easy right?
 
I think he is doing the right thing, the name is private and should stay that way. The cue maker may not want to give the money back, but if the guy(customer) is having problems, what difference does it make about a downpayment, give it back. Life happens, I have recently had several unexpected adverse life events. The money is not the issue. The issue is someone used his influence to help out and now is being caught in the middle. John
 
Spimp13 said:
Do you really think Dean is really trying to get a high post count? Really?? Honorable well respected cuemakers being dragged into this? Really? Check Dean's two posts on here and for a second "think" before you type a response. Maybe the cuemaker will see this thread and get it taken care of without their name being mentioned...boom End of thread.
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And then a guy who attempted to rip someone off, got called on it anonymously and forced to make it right, causes every person on this forum to wonder who that cuemaker so well respected by AZB was and wonder if they want to take a chance doing business with ANY of the cuemakers who are particularily well respected on AZB incase they might be dealing with the one who attempted to be a "petty crook". Do you really not comprehend what can take place when something like this happens? Do you not realize how innocent people who have nothing to do with the issue can be negatively affected by anonymous accusations like this?

There are countless examples of innocent people being negatively affected by anonymous warnings causing the public to suddenly get their guard up. This type of thread on AZB is no different.
 
If the name can be kept quiet at this point, then the matter itself could have been handled in private. Once its posted to the public, names should probably be named to get results. JMO.
 
Celtic said:
And then a guy who attempted to rip someone off, got called on it anonymously and forced to make it right, causes every person on this forum to wonder who that cuemaker so well respected by AZB was and wonder if they want to take a chance doing business with ANY of the cuemakers who are particularily well respected on AZB incase they might be dealing with the one who attempted to be a "petty crook". Do you really not comprehend what can take place when something like this happens? Do you not realize how innocent people who have nothing to do with the issue can be negatively affected by anonymous accusations like this?

There are countless examples of innocent people being negatively affected by anonymous warnings causing the public to suddenly get their guard up. This type of thread on AZB is no different.
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If people can't think with their own minds and believe everything they read that is their problem. I'm done posting on this as I don't want to derail the thread from Dean trying to get input. No Dairy Queen for you.
 
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