Outsville Tip Drawing
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Pics would be greatly appreciated. I'm still looking for that "lively" single layered tip. A good triangle is hard to beat, but so few of them are good...
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Ok i've installed both the Soft and Medium onto two Predator Z2's, both ferrule cut to 11.5mm (nichol shaped) retaining approximately 75% to 80% of the shipped tip on both. Lathe Shaping the soft tip is harder to do imo than shaping the medium tip due to the fibers that are difficult to cut or sand and then burnish on the soft tip... Medium tip was a dream to install, shape, contour and burnish.
This evening I played with both for about 45 minute each. 1st I must say both tips 'drink in the chalk'. I happen to play with 'Magic Chalk' (love it) and it literally looked like I was painting the chalk onto both tips when first applying it. Subsequent application were similar. Personally I play within 1.5 tips of CCB so I rarely see a miscue and had none with either of these -as expected.
The smoothed burnished side of the tip fibers on the soft tip seemed to have sprang "back the life" after 5- 10 minutes of play as I notice the fibers catching (scratching) on my gloved hand and the 860 I play on. So back to the lathe to re-sand down those missed fibers. (This time after burnishing smooth, I Sharpe'd it Black and re-polished... Now it looked more 'finished' and polished great!) At the end of the session there were a few fibers (like 3-4) on the burnished sides of this Soft tip that would catch on my glove... but they were small... Maybe after a 'breakin period' this issue will resolve itself.
As a reference, I've play with Kamui Black Soft and Mediums over the past 2 years. Preferred the Black Softs with about 60% of the tip remaining after a good week or so of breakin. Recently moved to Tom Hay's Ultra Skins which are great!. I have both soft and mediums and I prefer the mediums to the softs in these UltraSkins. Personsally I like to hear/ feel the 'tink' of the tip to CB contact especially in faster rotation games where I'm shooting thru the CB (as in TOI or ProOne style of follow thru stroke) as opposed to rolling the CB.
To me the Soft TIP issued here for feed back played like Supper Soft.. (you name the brand). I mean I could use it on slower moving games if necessary but if I had my druthers I would op for something with more tip 'feed back'. For me it was a bit 'spongy' for my taste. It dampened down the 'shot experience' a bit much for my taste. Others may prefer this effect.
Now the Medium tip was the BEST! It holds chalk nicely too. This thing held up very nice under aggressive play feeling like maybe a Kamui Brown Medium (roughly about 10% softer feel than the Black) as far as bite or CB grip response ... but sounded/felt like I was playing with Medium/Hard Kamui Black- if they were to make one of those.. This is an awesome combination for my taste and shooting style. To me the medium felt great, sounded great and played ideal for my 'tastes'. There were no fiber burnishing issues to deal with like I had with the soft version. I'd highly recommend the medium- it really hits and sounds great.
Thanks Chris for letting us try these... I wasn't sure what exact type of feedback you were looking for or input into a grading system from the tester end but this what I have found so far on Day 1- immediately after install. Let us know what other forms of feedback you looking for you data set.
Hope this helps with the research... BTW you can send me a handful of those mediums any day of the week. I'm in!
Thanks,
Randy
Thanks for the feedback Randy... Let me know what you think about how they play in... The processing tends to resist compaction pretty well and the tips are staying very consistent thru their life according to feedback I have been receiving.. Hopefully they will act the same for you....
:thumbup: Chris
:thumbup: Chris
I'm getting mine installed on Friday.
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I took off my triangle and installed the outsville tip. This is a hard tip. I shaped it and chalked it once. I shot in about 40 or so balls in be for my urge to chalk came in and I subconsciously chalked. I had no miscues and I drew 90% of my shots. The feel was great, super crisp and the tip way out preformed my triangle. Which was only a month old. I have not had any glazing issues with this tip but it is still new, only 12 hours or so on it. I shoot hard and the dime shape I put on it is still a dime. Overall this is the best tip I have used, and I have tried a lot of different tips from kamui ss to triangle lepro, Everest, onyx, moori, milkduds and many others but so far I really like this tip.
P.S. this is on an ivory ferrell if anyone was wondering.
I took off my triangle and installed the outsville tip. This is a hard tip. I shaped it and chalked it once. I shot in about 40 or so balls in be for my urge to chalk came in and I subconsciously chalked. I had no miscues and I drew 90% of my shots. The feel was great, super crisp and the tip way out preformed my triangle. Which was only a month old. I have not had any glazing issues with this tip but it is still new, only 12 hours or so on it. I shoot hard and the dime shape I put on it is still a dime. Overall this is the best tip I have used, and I have tried a lot of different tips from kamui ss to triangle lepro, Everest, onyx, moori, milkduds and many others but so far I really like this tip.
P.S. this is on an ivory ferrell if anyone was wondering.
Thank you to everyone who has posted up reviews so far... In case you are afraid of saying something bad since they were free to try... I have thick skin and want to hear your reviews good or bad....
If you don't like it let me know.. I have the ability to modify many aspects of how each hardness plays by changing variables in the process... I may end up with grades aside from Hard, medium and soft...
I originally was going to rate them by hardness and COR values but that plan may be overkill.. If I go that direction I may end up with boutique tips and drive the cost up on them which I don't want to do.... I can tailor a tip to a player but what would that be worth?
I am not saying that a match grade tip is not a possibility but I don't know if it will be economically feasible....
The tips are currently processed to where they seem to play the same the longest... I don't know if that fact alone trumps a custom tip or not but I am of the opinion that a tip that changes in a week isn't what anyone wants... We want to stick them on, shape them up and not have to worry about breaking them in.....
More tips are going in the mail tomorrow... Anyone who has sent me an address should have a tip or it will be en route tomorrow... If you were on the ORIGINAL list I will send you a tip as long as I get an address THIS WEEK....
Keep the feedback coming... I will have a poll up in the next week or so asking everyone's opinion on the name... I have been calling them Outsville Hybrids because of the processing but I am thinking there are several better names to choose from...
Chris
If you don't like it let me know.. I have the ability to modify many aspects of how each hardness plays by changing variables in the process... I may end up with grades aside from Hard, medium and soft...
I originally was going to rate them by hardness and COR values but that plan may be overkill.. If I go that direction I may end up with boutique tips and drive the cost up on them which I don't want to do.... I can tailor a tip to a player but what would that be worth?
I am not saying that a match grade tip is not a possibility but I don't know if it will be economically feasible....
The tips are currently processed to where they seem to play the same the longest... I don't know if that fact alone trumps a custom tip or not but I am of the opinion that a tip that changes in a week isn't what anyone wants... We want to stick them on, shape them up and not have to worry about breaking them in.....
More tips are going in the mail tomorrow... Anyone who has sent me an address should have a tip or it will be en route tomorrow... If you were on the ORIGINAL list I will send you a tip as long as I get an address THIS WEEK....
Keep the feedback coming... I will have a poll up in the next week or so asking everyone's opinion on the name... I have been calling them Outsville Hybrids because of the processing but I am thinking there are several better names to choose from...
Chris
I sent you a PM...just saw this post pop up again. Looking forward to trying it out. I want to see how it compares to my current Kamui Black soft. I was also going to try UltraSkins...so I will do my best to compare to those.
Thanks again, this is pretty cool!
KMRUNOUT
Thanks again, this is pretty cool!
KMRUNOUT
I got the tip installed yesterday. I will post a reveiw when I
have put some hours on it. The soft is very soft, almost ellkmasterish
I look forward to seeing if it hardens a little or if it remains the same.
I have a close friend of mine who is a champion player testing it also
So far so good
have put some hours on it. The soft is very soft, almost ellkmasterish
I look forward to seeing if it hardens a little or if it remains the same.
I have a close friend of mine who is a champion player testing it also
So far so good
Hard Hybrid tip Trade UP?
I've played now a couple of long sessions and I've noticed the the Medium tip actually plays like (hits/feels/sounds) more like a softer tip when playing soft to very soft shots.... and then seems to 'firn up' in all aspects (hit feed back/sound) when playing harder at/thru the CB. Is this the desired effect of the composite mix?? or just a noticeable a side effect (ala the superglue invention)? Its pretty cool either way... btw On these Z2's (LD shafts-with almost no ferrule) I can feel a lot thru the tip's 'preasure sensitivity/resiliency' factors. This medium hybrid tip 'fits' my style pretty well.
I still haven't developed a taste for the Soft tip characteristics... for me it remains a bit to spongy and the sound/feel is not as 'perceptive' to my senses as I'm used to. Prolly just a personal think though.
After playing with this medium hybrid tip and see its ranges, and reading the hard tip post above, I think I'd like to replace the soft hybrid tip with a Hard tip hybrid to feel/hear how it plays. I'm sure it to has an 'overlapping' range of resiliency/feedback- similar to this medium hybrid, BUT with better sound feedback characteristics. (imo Most "Hard Layered Tips- like the 'Black ones' :wink: " have a very tight range of feel/or feedback and therefore 'shot style' choices- Shooter has to work around (adapt) more to tip density limitations... thinking of squirt related issues, stroke style/power..., holding adequate 'high quality' chalk, etc ). If the 'Hard Hybrid Tip' holds chalk like this medium tip does, it'll play even better. If you have another 'hard hybrid tip' for me to try, please send it.
If your research requires a tip return, I'll send this soft one back (...for a trade up to the 'Hard Hybrid' one..today) .... but I'll prolly be 'testing this medium hybrid tip' until it sticks out its tongue and cry's 'Uncle'. :thud:
thx Chris
Randy
from this post...
I've played now a couple of long sessions and I've noticed the the Medium tip actually plays like (hits/feels/sounds) more like a softer tip when playing soft to very soft shots.... and then seems to 'firn up' in all aspects (hit feed back/sound) when playing harder at/thru the CB. Is this the desired effect of the composite mix?? or just a noticeable a side effect (ala the superglue invention)? Its pretty cool either way... btw On these Z2's (LD shafts-with almost no ferrule) I can feel a lot thru the tip's 'preasure sensitivity/resiliency' factors. This medium hybrid tip 'fits' my style pretty well.
I still haven't developed a taste for the Soft tip characteristics... for me it remains a bit to spongy and the sound/feel is not as 'perceptive' to my senses as I'm used to. Prolly just a personal think though.
After playing with this medium hybrid tip and see its ranges, and reading the hard tip post above, I think I'd like to replace the soft hybrid tip with a Hard tip hybrid to feel/hear how it plays. I'm sure it to has an 'overlapping' range of resiliency/feedback- similar to this medium hybrid, BUT with better sound feedback characteristics. (imo Most "Hard Layered Tips- like the 'Black ones' :wink: " have a very tight range of feel/or feedback and therefore 'shot style' choices- Shooter has to work around (adapt) more to tip density limitations... thinking of squirt related issues, stroke style/power..., holding adequate 'high quality' chalk, etc ). If the 'Hard Hybrid Tip' holds chalk like this medium tip does, it'll play even better. If you have another 'hard hybrid tip' for me to try, please send it.
If your research requires a tip return, I'll send this soft one back (...for a trade up to the 'Hard Hybrid' one..today) .... but I'll prolly be 'testing this medium hybrid tip' until it sticks out its tongue and cry's 'Uncle'. :thud:
thx Chris
Randy
from this post...
Several players have called them super softs based on their feel. I can press them to an 80 and they will still have that feel.. I think you will notice that they move the ball easier than you would expect with a tip that feels that soft.. The COR/Elasticity has been upped in them so while they feel soft the cueball shouldn't react like you just hit it with a wet sock....
I haven't had anyone use the soft to break and play with but the ones that have been out for awhile and only played with have hardened up very slightly...
They wear instead of hardening so you shouldn't see much in the way of mushrooming or playing characteristic changes...
Let me know how yours continues to react
Chris
The feedback on different speeds is a function of the process.. You could consider it a side effect in that when I started out I all I could do was measure hardness and resilience and then alter the process to change those variables and take the tips out for test drives to see how they played based on what I had changed...
This is the main reason I wanted feedback from other players.. I can play with the soft tip and it will do everything I need it to do and not cross me up but I prefer the feedback of the medium so I need players that like the soft feedback... I have a few players using the soft that have played with hard tips for years... They asked for them after hitting them on other player's cues so maybe not everyone is as locked in as I am.....
The hard tips are also not my cup of tea... I know what the readings are on them.. I know I can alter those as well but I need feedback on them to know which way to go because once again my preference is the medium...
With that said I'll gladly shoot you out one of the hard tips tomorrow.
Once again thanks for your feedback,
Chris
I sent you a PM earlier this afternoon, with my address. I apologize for the late response.
I'm still in for a medium or soft.
Thank you.
Josh
I'm still in for a medium or soft.
Thank you.
Josh
I got to play with mine for a while tonight.
For background, I haven't tried different tips before. Chris sent me a soft, which is different than the Everest I was used to.
My friend that put the tip on called me yesterday to tell me that he wasn't pleased with it, he didn't like it much. So I was a little discouraged going in.
It sure was different. Much more of a "mushy" feel. It took me a while to get used to it. I didn't have a lot of time to really play around with different shots and such, it was league night and I had to play my match. As the night wore on, it got easier for me to play with.
I seemed to allow me to stop the ball better, but again, this was a small sample size.
I will give another report next week after I play a longer session with it.
Thanks for the opportunity, Chris.
For background, I haven't tried different tips before. Chris sent me a soft, which is different than the Everest I was used to.
My friend that put the tip on called me yesterday to tell me that he wasn't pleased with it, he didn't like it much. So I was a little discouraged going in.
It sure was different. Much more of a "mushy" feel. It took me a while to get used to it. I didn't have a lot of time to really play around with different shots and such, it was league night and I had to play my match. As the night wore on, it got easier for me to play with.
I seemed to allow me to stop the ball better, but again, this was a small sample size.
I will give another report next week after I play a longer session with it.
Thanks for the opportunity, Chris.
Take a picture of the tip installed if you will. And post it on the thread...
If it's mushy I would expect it to mushroom... If it mushrooms it somehow made it thru QC and I will have to figure out how it made it out....
I Would like to hear what the installer had to say.. The softs are fibrous and require a little extra effort burnishing but I've had zero complaints on installs.
Joe Blackburn has even done a few and if you know Joe he wouldn't have pulled punches with me if he saw something he didn't like....
Let me know if the feel ends up not being up your alley and I will send you a medium.. The everest is quite a bit harder in feel than what I sent out to you....
If the soft mushrooms let me know and I will send out another soft and medium in case you still don't like the soft......
Chris
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Very cool. I will ask my friend to out it into words, but I want us both to play with the cue a little more, and see. He has far more experience with different cues and tips and such.
I'll get back to ya! Thanks again
Hope this works, Chris. My first try at attaching photo's. And I apologize for the quality of them, I tried to get the light right enough to see details. I kinda suck at this, heh. (It was fun, flailing around trying to light it and all.)
And yes, I need to take better care of my cues in the future. WOW, does that look beaten up in the photo! As I said, I'm new to all of this. learning, learning, learning...
And yes, I need to take better care of my cues in the future. WOW, does that look beaten up in the photo! As I said, I'm new to all of this. learning, learning, learning...
