Outsville Tip Drawing

You wanted an honest review.
Long story short.
I installed the tip yesterday. Used a new carbide blade. It cut tough. There was nothing easy about it.
I played with it last night and gave it a good work out tonight.

Sorry Bud but there is nothing that I can say about this tip. Just not for me.
 
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Blue Hog ridr said:
You wanted an honest review.
Long story short.
I installed the tip yesterday. Used a new carbide blade. It cut tough. There was nothing easy about it.
I played with it last night and gave it a good work out tonight.

Sorry Bud but there is nothing that I can say about this tip. Just not for me.
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Terry no problem...

Different strokes for different folks... A lathe is on my "to buy" list so for now I am just having local repair guys and cue makers do the installs....

I'm not sure who uses a razor blade and who uses carbides so I will have to ask... I know that the cue maker who has installed the most of them has told me that the tool has to be sharp and he has to sharpen it after each tip he puts on...

I watched Blackburn do one with a razor blade at DCC and it looked like a normal install....

So thanks for the feedback on the install I know Kamui advises wetting their blacks before cutting so maybe these will require the same treatment... The only way to solve a problem is to know one exists...

I have on record I sent you a medium...

I would like to know what your thought were on the way it played... Too hard? too soft? not enough spin? too much spin?

Chris
 
I would think splitting up the medium to a med soft and medium hard would be a good choice.
I personally have been leaning toward the med hard tips. Just want more feed back I guess.
 
I use a regular cutting tool and a carbide razor blade.
Thats why I was a little shocked as the razor will go thru anything.
I wet the tip before cutting.

Played like a medium. Actually felt ok. I found that I was both missing easy and more difficult shots. Shots that I normally make fairly effortlessly.

I felt it took too much effort to draw the ball and get any type of spin.

Maybe I am just spoiled from what I normally use.
 
Blue Hog ridr said:
I use a regular cutting tool and a carbide razor blade.
Thats why I was a little shocked as the razor will go thru anything.
I wet the tip before cutting.

Played like a medium. Actually felt ok. I found that I was both missing easy and more difficult shots. Shots that I normally make fairly effortlessly.

I felt it took too much effort to draw the ball and get any type of spin.

Maybe I am just spoiled from what I normally use.
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No worries again Terry... All feedback is appreciated...

I can't guarantee a tip to make anyone not miss since deflection is negligible regardless of what Kamui advertises LOL

I am interested in what tip you are using.... I have readings on most of the major tips on the market regarding COR and Hardness so maybe the medium doesn't stack up in line with the tip you are using...

I can up the COR without changing hardness but I didn't want a tip that spins the ball too much or they become inconsistent, when you add a little english that you don't intend to..... The hard part is everyone has a different idea of too much =)

Chris
 
You mentioned that you press the tips. When I first saw it, I thought, great, looks like a Milk Dud. Hope it plays like one.

I have no idea if you can break into the tip market with a single layer tip.

The only thing I can think of is that if you can make the tip play like Dawg's Duds, then you will have something special.

Of all the tips I stock, I mainly push Black King, Ultra Skins and I pretty much use one of Dawg's Duds on my main players.

I make Dud's myself, have one on now because I ran out of Dawg's. Mine even fall a tad short of his. Pretty much why I use his.

Like I mentioned, if you can make a single layer that will draw and spin like a Dud, then it will satisfy many. Just a thought.

PS - Your tip felt decent. Tip to ball contact. I felt that I wasn't pocketing balls like I can with the tips I use and endorse.
Maybe to be fair, I didn't give it enuff time on the table. And like I also said, I am spoiled when it comes to tips.

Whatever you use to impregnate the leather with must work. It stuck to my cutting bit when I cut it off.

You're obviously still in the building and testing stage of your tips. If you keep testing and with feed back, you will most likely hit the magic number sooner or later.

Don't give up, I know you won't. If it weren't for people like yourself that are interested in building jigs and doo dads for lathes and new innovative products, all of us would be lesser off for it.

Anyway, great success to you in the future.
 
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update

I have been playing woth the hard since I told you I put it on about three weeks ago I think. It has now glazed once so I hit it with my gator and it grips well again, but it doesn't seem to grip as good as it did when it was first put on. Still better than a triangle imho.
 
Been playing with the hard for about a week ,doesn't play quite as hard as a Le Pro and not as soft as a Triangle. Like the way it grips, we"ll see how it goes from here on out.
 
Well,I kinda felt like Bluehog at first but I didn't give up on the tip(med)
At first I didn't like it it felt like it took way too much effort to get spin
and it didn't want to hold chalk.I have now played with it for about 35-40 hrs.It is much better now and seems to keep getting better the more I play with it.Seems just a little bit harder than my other med but it also has good feedback.I didn't install the tip so I can't say anything about that.
So bottom line I like the tip but if I had taken it off after my first few hours with it I would have never known.
Thanks for the chance to try out your tip and I'm gonna keep playing with it and just see how long it holds up for me.
Thanks
 
Well, I'm starting to feel bad about not posting a review yet. I received the hard tip, thanks, but I'm down to just a couple cues now and I would have to remove at least a half Kamui to install yours. Please be patient, I'll put the hard Outsville on when my smallest Kamui is done, and my test run will be to compare the Outsville to the Kamui. Also, in your name contest, I really don't think you can do better than "Outsville". Thanks again...
 
rayjay said:
Well, I'm starting to feel bad about not posting a review yet. I received the hard tip, thanks, but I'm down to just a couple cues now and I would have to remove at least a half Kamui to install yours. Please be patient, I'll put the hard Outsville on when my smallest Kamui is done, and my test run will be to compare the Outsville to the Kamui. Also, in your name contest, I really don't think you can do better than "Outsville". Thanks again...
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Absolutely understandable... If you have a good tip there is no point in cutting it off until it's time =)

With the hard there should be no shaping problems on the install..

I have talked to several installers locally who have been doing them for me and the key thing I was told is that if you course shape them the fibers will take time to wear in.

Make sure the mediums and softs are smoothish when you get them back from installation or they will feel softer than they truly are until you wear the fibers down. Since the fibers are pretty heavily treated it will take some playing time before you will get to the meat and potatoes of how the tips play...

I ran into a friend of mine at the pool room tonight who had installed one of the softs himself and it actually reminded me of a sheep dog because he had used a rough shaper on it... I pulled out my shaper and 2 minutes later viola the sheep dog had a high and tight and the tip played like I expected :thumbup:

These are not milk duds... The fibers will resist compression way longer than a casein treated fiber so keep that in mind when you first get them back from the installers....

Matter of fact looking back at Justadub's tip picture.. While I am unsure about the entire install I can definitely see that the tip is pretty shaggy as well...

Chris
 
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And after more playing, mine seems to be more consistent....still working on it, and the other thoughts we've been talking about, Chris.

This has been a fun experiment and learning experience.
 
justadub said:
And after more playing, mine seems to be more consistent....still working on it, and the other thoughts we've been talking about, Chris.

This has been a fun experiment and learning experience.
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You have a medium and another soft in the mail... Should be to you in a few days =) I appreciate all the feedback and hope we can figure it out by taking reading from the old soft....

Shoot straight,

Chris
 
After playing with the tips a few weeks now Not much change in how it feels. Wish it would harden up a little bit. The medium feels a little soft to me. Just my .02
 
After two weeks, I find the Outsville Hybrid R&D M plays better than any layered tip I've tried. The only tip that comes close to it's "playability" is a new Champion tip before it mushrooms.
 
twal said:
After playing with the tips a few weeks now Not much change in how it feels. Wish it would harden up a little bit. The medium feels a little soft to me. Just my .02
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So far I haven't seen a medium harden up more than about 3-4% from playing... At some point tho it should begin to feel a "little" harder as it get thinner and the penetration force isn't completely dampened before it hits the ferrule... Shouldn't change the playability when it happens tho...

Let me know as it wears what your thoughts are....

I keep toying with the idea of soft, medium soft, medium, medium hard, and hard.... Problem is at some point I think I hit overkill... I guess it will depend on more reviews and discussions with distributors... Hoping to make SBE and shake some hands....

Chris
 
Soft

Here's my review:

I was sent a soft tip about a week ago. Finally got it installed, and put in about two (2) hours worth of play.

Initial install:
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Initial experience is the tip is soft; very soft, and very quiet. No real trouble obtaining spin; in fact, I was getting a little too much. Took a little while to get used to this one. I'm used to Triangle tips; so the sound and feel are quite different.

About an hour in, I noticed the side walls becoming very fibrous. Also, the tip was starting to become miss shaped. I needed a beer anyway, so I took a break to reshape and reburnish - oh, and the beer.
Fibrous:
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The tip held up much better after the reshape and reburnish. I also started to get used to the tip, finally. Shot an entire rack using nothing but power draw. Then, another full rack using nothing but power follow. I was getting all I needed. Side english was hard to adjust, but I'm working on that.

I like the tip, even though it is much softer than my usual Triangle. I really like the sound.

Also, I purposefully miscued several times to see how the tip responded. Never glazed over, and accepted chalk the very next application. So, for us mortals, miscues are not an issue for this tip; just our stroke.

I'll add more news next week regarding longevity.

Josh
 
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COR is Good!

I'd be very interested in trying these tips. I don't care much for layered tips as they always seem to de-laminate on me and they're too expensive. What's the price point going to be on the Outsville tips?

I love Pooldawg8's milk duds. However, I have yet to find a tip that will hold it's shape - not even the Dawg Duds. I guess I'm one of those people who hits the ball hard, because no matter how many people tell me this brand or that will hold their shape, they don't. The Dawg Duds play real nice, and don't mushroom. But still, they will lose their dime radius shape on my cue. They are the closest thing that I have found to the perfect tip - they are nice and hard, so they maintain their shape as much as is possible, and yet they are easy to reshape, and they "grip" the cue ball nicely inspite of their hardness - but they don't hold their shape perfectly in my opinion.

As far as I can tell, no tip can hold its shape perfectly. But I would love the chance to be proven wrong. the theory I have is that since leather is not as hard as a cue ball, it's not possible for tips to hold their shape perfectly. (So it's not to blame anyone or anything, that's just the laws of physics.) Also, I have always assumed that the harder the tip the more it will hold it's shape, and the softer the tip, the less it will hold it's shape - that there is absolutely a direct correlation between the two. Now you are saying you can control hardness and "coefficient of resiliency" as if they are two different parameters. That's great. I've never thought such a thing was possible. So again, I'd love to try one of your tips. So I'm hoping you are still sending out test tips. PM on it's way.

As to different hardness, I say by all means, YES, provide five different hardnesses for pool players, to include medium-soft and medium-hard. All you can do is make it more likely to please more people.

Fatz

EDIT: "coefficient of restitution" not "coefficient of resiliency" - my bad.
 
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