Kevin, I hope you know my post was meant as a compliment to EG.
BTW - all of the guys you listed are members here. Most post little and at least one is banned - I think.
Take care.
Scott
Over-priced Cues - your opinion please!
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Kevin, I hope you know my post was meant as a compliment to EG.
BTW - all of the guys you listed are members here. Most post little and at least one is banned - I think.
Take care.
Scott
hdgis1
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dave sutton
Banned
now take that statement go in a dark room and think about it. would dennis searings wait list be 7 years or more if he charges 2600$ for a few joints and a signature if he was overcharging. might take u a week or two but im confident youll figure it out... eventually:wink::wink::wink:
It all about the details. Same reason an Audi costs more than a Volkswagen.
Edit: Cues or anything else for that matter sells for a price dictated by the buyer. If it were not worth the price, it would not be bought. Bottom line.
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hdgis1
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Let me say one more thing to honk you off - I'm not on here to make friends with all the cue makers on this forum. As a matter of fact, since I don't know any of them, they get zero respect from me. That's something to be earned not given. I get your point you dont respect me, but I also get the feeling you think your 5000 posts automaticaly makes you right.
I'll spell it out in this thread if no one has read the other one - I payed $380 for a cue from Joss that had a chunk missing out of the ferrule, misaligned joints, and deteriorating points. I was offered a refund and took them up on it. I firmly believe that any cue from any cue maker shouldn't suffer those kinds of defects. I don't give a good damn if its from Joss or Jesus Christ himself!
You know what Dave - I am the new guy. Seems like this place might need a little injection of someone else's opinion. Heaven forbid the establishment be disturbed.
Except for the following -
I guess you're right Dave - you didnt say a word. Didn't bother to ask why I felt that way. Didn't even bother to educate a poor ignorant fool. I guess you didn't even read the Darkside of Cue Making did you? Instead you just drop some bombs. Boy that's a good way to be seen as someone to be respected...
I'll spell it out in this thread if no one has read the other one - I payed $380 for a cue from Joss that had a chunk missing out of the ferrule, misaligned joints, and deteriorating points. I was offered a refund and took them up on it. I firmly believe that any cue from any cue maker shouldn't suffer those kinds of defects. I don't give a good damn if its from Joss or Jesus Christ himself!
You know what Dave - I am the new guy. Seems like this place might need a little injection of someone else's opinion. Heaven forbid the establishment be disturbed.
Except for the following -
I guess you're right Dave - you didnt say a word. Didn't bother to ask why I felt that way. Didn't even bother to educate a poor ignorant fool. I guess you didn't even read the Darkside of Cue Making did you? Instead you just drop some bombs. Boy that's a good way to be seen as someone to be respected...
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hdgis1
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How long is your wait list? EDIT - I forgot to add all the :wink::wink::wink:
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hdgis1
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Exaggeration. Point is - Why does one guy charge XXX while another guy can only charge X...
old motorcycle wisdom
The joke in the moto world was always, "if you've got a ten dollar head, buy a ten dollar helmet." Same thing here: if you've got a ten dollar game, buy a ten dollar stick..pool cues are one of the few areas where real craftsmen work and can [barely] make a living today. The irony is that for the guy who's trying to make it, there's likely more invested in the cue than he will ever see, until after years of working and improving, he gains enough of a rep to be able to sell a stick for more than it cost him to build. For some guys that never happens, and for others, the artists, the quality of the work creates value that is plain to see... if you want to see it.
The joke in the moto world was always, "if you've got a ten dollar head, buy a ten dollar helmet." Same thing here: if you've got a ten dollar game, buy a ten dollar stick..pool cues are one of the few areas where real craftsmen work and can [barely] make a living today. The irony is that for the guy who's trying to make it, there's likely more invested in the cue than he will ever see, until after years of working and improving, he gains enough of a rep to be able to sell a stick for more than it cost him to build. For some guys that never happens, and for others, the artists, the quality of the work creates value that is plain to see... if you want to see it.
I didn't read the whole thread but you have to differentiate between the price from the cuemaker versus the price in the secondary market. The cuemakers usually charge a lot less than what you could potentially sell the cue for. I can bet Dennis charged nowhere near 2k when he made that conversion. Also when you calculate their price per hour in building a cue they make about union trade wages for the most part and I can honestly tell you I have been much more ripped off by plumbers than by any cuemaker.
It all comes down to this when you expect a good quality cue for nothing or a outrageously low price , you get nothing. Thats it plain and simple, you have to pay the price a good cuemaker wants for his cue's or you don't get one. So if you dont want to spend the dough don't ***** about the price !!<<ED
dave sutton
Banned
ok let me spell it out for you. trust me i dont need your respect. you are compairing a 380$ joss that are made by the thousand to DENNIS SEARING the most accurate and IMO best cuemaker today. then you spout off at the mouth about things you have no clue about. ytou get what you pay for. you paid for a 380$ production cue not a one of a kind custom.
trust me this place does NOT need your opinion. esp if it has no meaning or reason. there are 17,000 members with opinions most can conduct themselves properly.
youre right my 5000+ posts dont make me right. however :grin::grin::grin: my 50 MILLION rep points means i have been right just a few times.
btw my wait list is long enough. for you perhaps a bit longer
Let's not exaggerate. Post up some prices, directly from the cuemaker, not the secondary market and then we can compare.
Remember that some cuemakers have full time jobs with benefits. Others rely on making cue to pay the mortgage and put food on the table.
dave sutton
Banned
for the same reason a kia will get you the same place a bentley will. 50 MPH is 50MPH right? so u tell me where is the difference. if you dont understand this then you prob never will... im dont arguing with you. its like arguing with a 6 month old baby. they just look at you funny and dont understand a word your saying.
btw u never said a word to you. UNTIL you were crying and begging to take back the bad rep i gave you for your comments...
Someone with a million dollar game can beat my $10 game with whatever cue they use (or whatever cue I use). I see HUNDREDS of guys per year go out and buy the latest, greatest, most expensive golf clubs they can and not break 100 (golf), while I can bust out my old 78 Staffs and break 80 everytime.
So if I take on SVB with a $100K cue....I get whipped just as bad as I would with my Jacoby (which cost significantly less). :grin: I understand the whole "resale" part of the big name cue makers, but playability wise....you could easily find a GREAT player for $500 or less.....more is either "look at me", or just something you wanted - neither is a bad thing, and more power to those who like to buy things they want...
most of the Bentley purchasers are probably wanting to be seen in a Bentley, and have no idea why they are better than a Kia (other than the $$$$$$ of one). Hard to compare that to cues really....what's a 60's 'Cuda with a 426 equivalent to in the cue world (purchased new for $3K and commanding 6 figures now). Is a 60's 'Cuda built better than a new car commanding that price? Probably not, but it's rare (in great shape), and demand for one drives the price up.
Just sayin' price doesn't always reflect supreme quality (especially in the car world). A new Z06 is a preformance BARGAIN....that's what I try to look for in cues (instead of a trailer queen/collectable cue). :wink:
dave sutton
Banned
sure its translates. cars from the 60's and 70s arent build as good as cars today. same goes with cues. but they did the best with the equiptment they had. we arent compairing performance. we are compairing the same type of product doing the same function but costing alot more. i believe bentleys are hand made. which is one reason why the cost much much more.
ive built a few muscle cars in my time and my father still has his lime green 'cuda. for the money id rather have a chevelle for every year from the 65 malibu to the 72 chevelle SS. THEN A BENTLY
(73 THEY INTRODUCED THE LAGUNA. THEY COULD KEEP THAT ONE .LOL)
hdgis1
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Dave - It's not the same thing man! Let's say Dennis and Dave do a conversion from an old house cue. Nothing fancy. New joint. Add a butt cap. New Ferrule and tip. Refinish it. Turn it down a bit. Whatever. All things being equal (materials/design) - who gets more $? That is clearly not the same as a Kia and Bently...
Keep'em coming Dave! My self image is beginning to be affected...:frown:
Keep'em coming Dave! My self image is beginning to be affected...:frown:
I'll continue beating the dead horse
How much would you pay for Babe Ruth's baseball card? I wouldn't pay a quarter for it. But, you start talking about a Gus or a Black Boar, a Searing, a South West, an Omen, a Nitti, a Tucker. Let me get my Checkbook!:grin: It's all what it's worth to you.
There are so many fantastic cuemakers. Their experience, artistry, knowledge, cue playability (is that a word?), reputation and commitment to their craft is what makes their cues worth the amount you pay for them.
Any member of this forum could name any one of their favorites and I know they'd be willing to pay the asking price of that cuemaker. I'm such a fan of Nittis, that I'll pretty much pay whatever Chris asks for one of his cues.
I know this has already been mentioned but look at some waiting lists. That should speak for itself.
Just my humble opinion. Sorry for the long post.
How much would you pay for Babe Ruth's baseball card? I wouldn't pay a quarter for it. But, you start talking about a Gus or a Black Boar, a Searing, a South West, an Omen, a Nitti, a Tucker. Let me get my Checkbook!:grin: It's all what it's worth to you.
There are so many fantastic cuemakers. Their experience, artistry, knowledge, cue playability (is that a word?), reputation and commitment to their craft is what makes their cues worth the amount you pay for them.
Any member of this forum could name any one of their favorites and I know they'd be willing to pay the asking price of that cuemaker. I'm such a fan of Nittis, that I'll pretty much pay whatever Chris asks for one of his cues.
I know this has already been mentioned but look at some waiting lists. That should speak for itself.
Just my humble opinion. Sorry for the long post.