Overseas scam artists

" but you never get back an answear .... how can you fix that problem?

IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE SELLER WHO IS ON THE WEAK SIDE. "

Ain't that the truth. I sent a $2500 deposit to a cue maker who has not responded to my calls or e-mails. It's been over a year now.

I hate to see this happen to seller or buyer.

Good luck to your friend, Eric.

Glen
 
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shadowmoss said:
The dealer is on the fence, he doesn't know if he should pay or not.He has been given plenty of time to do the right thing but is jerking my friend off.By the end of the week if no money has been sent the Cue maker will post his name and contact the authorities.

Shadowmoss
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Has this been resolved?

Will Prout
 
Hay Glen

nasc said:
" but you never get back an answear .... how can you fix that problem?

IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE SELLER WHO IS ON THE WEAK SIDE. "

Ain't that the truth. I sent a $2500 deposit to a cue maker who has not responded to my calls or e-mails. It's been over a year now.

I hate to see this happen to seller or buyer.

Good luck to your friend, Eric.

Glen
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It is sad to hear when anyone especially anyone as nice as you.
Nick
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That's a horrible thing...if you want I can help you red flag this dealer in the Chinese forum. Provided the seller is selling in China and not Taiwan..
 
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classiccues said:
Eric,
Thats ok.. when they do it its called a happy ending :)

JV
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Now that's a great avatar. The only people destroying America is Americans. Keep buying every thing from China and see what happens in the future.They will have the Power and the US will be screwed.It isn't money that makes a country great, it's the jobs.

Eric
 
shadowmoss said:
Now that's a great avatar. The only people destroying America is Americans. Keep buying every thing from China and see what happens in the future.They will have the Power and the US will be screwed.It isn't money that makes a country great, it's the jobs.

Eric
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Well has any cue maker ever turned down a sale from a foreign buyer? Cue makers love that foreign money. I have yet to see any pro-American rah rah seller REFUSE a sale and tell the buyer to go support his own country.

So I don't really understand the concept. People who espouse Buy American want to be able to SELL to the world but they don't want to buy anything from the rest of the world?

How is that supposed to work? This whole thread has to do with a cuemaker going after a foreign sale. China is starting to heat up for buying high end cues. Should all the cue makers and cue dealers refuse to sell to Chinese buyers?
 
Mike Webb, Got to love it.

Hi John
Your quote from AZ.

How is that supposed to work? This whole thread has to do with a cuemaker going after a foreign sale. China is starting to heat up for buying high end cues. Should all the cue makers and cue dealers refuse to sell to Chinese buyers?

The thread is not about me but seeing I respect you and have never had a problem with you, I feel I can tell you my thoughts.

The truth is, The buyer from China went to this Cue maker for his cues. The Cue maker did the guy a favor and sent the cues before getting paid, Very stupid on his part when it comes to business. The buyer intentionally did not pay and his words are, I shouldn't have to pay because the order was one month late. That's pure bull shit and about as dishonest as you can get, Now he wants to be the exclusive dealer for the Cue maker over there buts still hasn't stepped up to pay his bill. I have always had a huge amount of respect for the Asian people but let's face it, Respect has gone completely out the window where this guy is concerned. It will have a bearing on future sales over there. I don't like getting involved with the B.S. on AZ but you can feel free to quote my email, to you any time you wish. I know the Cue maker personally, he's a stand up guy and doesn't deserve this kind of treatment from anyone.
Best Wishes
Michael Webb
15 Edwards St.
N.Prov. R.I. 02904-5662
401-475-7030
 
Maybe I'm missing something, but why hasn't this buyer been outed? Is there more to this story or what?
 
I think you may be generalizing too much about "Asian people".
Sad thing to happen to a nice cue maker (or anybody), but it's poor taste to start turning this into a "buy American" post or start generalizing about a population of a billion people from 1 bad transaction. There are bad people in every country. Plenty of shit goes down daily State side and all over the world.

China will be the next big buyer of high-end custom cues. I don't think any cue maker would want to pass up an opportunity to sell to China. To be honest, Mr. Webb probably didn't make the most prudent business decision to send the whole stock without any up-front payment.

How long has this been going on? Name to SOB and give contact info.

shadowmoss said:
Hi John
Your quote from AZ.

How is that supposed to work? This whole thread has to do with a cuemaker going after a foreign sale. China is starting to heat up for buying high end cues. Should all the cue makers and cue dealers refuse to sell to Chinese buyers?

The thread is not about me but seeing I respect you and have never had a problem with you, I feel I can tell you my thoughts.

The truth is, The buyer from China went to this Cue maker for his cues. The Cue maker did the guy a favor and sent the cues before getting paid, Very stupid on his part when it comes to business. The buyer intentionally did not pay and his words are, I shouldn't have to pay because the order was one month late. That's pure bull shit and about as dishonest as you can get, Now he wants to be the exclusive dealer for the Cue maker over there buts still hasn't stepped up to pay his bill. I have always had a huge amount of respect for the Asian people but let's face it, Respect has gone completely out the window where this guy is concerned. It will have a bearing on future sales over there. I don't like getting involved with the B.S. on AZ but you can feel free to quote my email, to you any time you wish. I know the Cue maker personally, he's a stand up guy and doesn't deserve this kind of treatment from anyone.
Best Wishes
Michael Webb
15 Edwards St.
N.Prov. R.I. 02904-5662
401-475-7030
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First, there is a very big difference in selling one off cues to China, VS getting innudated with mass produced goods. If you want a Szamboti, and you're in China, you have choices to buy, but you may have to buy in US, Japan, Taiwan, or whereever.

They don't have a Barry-san Szambotichen, so they want one, you have to come here. Again, here you may have options of buying made in china vs made in US, but for them, until their cue market gets uber saturated, there is only one place to shop.

I see no harm in selling them custom one off goods they cannot possibly get there through a cuemaker or third party person.

JV
 
Let's be real. Americans aren't born with a god given right to earn 20x the salary of a Chinese (or anybody) if they aren't more productive enough produce goods that can be priced competitively in an open market. Of course everyone would love to support their own country when it makes economic sense on a personal level. If mass produced stuff made in the US can compete with mass produced stuff coming from overseas (a balance of both price and quality), I thin most US consumers would much prefer to buy American. Same logic applies to the citizens of every country in the world.

The danger is to push the argument to the level that one must sacrifice one's standard of living (by massively overpaying or choosing a product of lower quality) for the sake of support one's country. I don't think one can make the gross statement that unemployment in the US will drastic decrease or the standard of living for people in the bottom 20% of economic totem pole will increase if the US suddenly becomes strictly protectionist. This has been tried before with great negative consequences. It's called the Great Depression.

The US isn't the only place that makes quality cues (granted it makes the best cues). There are custom makers from Japan, Germany, Philippines and Taiwan. Some Chinese cue buyers may desire a quality American made custom cue now and in the foreseeable future. This does not mean that they will still desire American cues if American cue makers/billiard industry people start making them feel like they're being belittled when they buy American. With the money they've saved from buying a Szamboti, they can spend it on products (not necessary pool related) made by people who actually welcome their business and is not two-faced about it. Like the Americans, the Chinese can be very nationalistic too.
 
I think the point is getting a little off topic here. :smile:

A scammer is a scammer, regardless of whether he lives in America, China, or wherever.

Out him, so another won't become his next victim !!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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The buyer is angry!

He wants the builder to write him an appology before he sends funds. What a insult. And there is more. The short of it is the builder wants the buyer to just pay him for the cues ordered and delivered at the trade show last when?.
Nick :)
 
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