Paging Dr. Dave or other qualified applicants - physics question.

[CJ Wiley]

The Touch Of Inside doesn't work on Virtual Pool Games.

Bob: Virtual pool is neat, and maybe it has perfect simulated physics (I'm skeptical).

But what I'm looking for is a hard number saying how many degrees the cut is affected. I'm not sure the software will let me dial in a cut angle of exactly 40 degrees, nor inform me of the resulting cut angle after I applied my chosen spin. It will just give me a visual representation of what happened after I hit the ball. At best I might be able to see that the ball went towards one side of the pocket rather than the expected center of the pocket.

I also can't tell what 3mm of spin looks like on a computer screen, vs. 9mm, and does it simulate BHE?

As far as getting to a table and just trying it myself, I can't hit balls the same way every time. Variations in speed, tip placement, pivot, and other conditions will affect the results. And I probably can't tell from the shooting position what a half degree off looks like, if the effect is that small.

You could argue that if my imperfect stroke means I can't be that precise, then it doesn't matter. But it does. I'd like to know how much precision is required, before I decide whether that level of precision is something I can reasonably pull off.

Dave: If you have the time and are willing, it would be awesome. For the missing variables... if you ignore them, will the results still be reasonably close to accurate? If so then we can skip 'em. If you think they matter though... maybe you could plug in some typical figures?

The Touch Of Inside doesn't work on Virtual Pool Games. Anyone that plays the virtual game instead of the real game won't understand maximizing margin of error and many other intricacies of the TOI Technique.

What makes the TOI easier for the intermediate player is you only have to worry about speed consistency, and tip placement, and they will blend together for the most part.

The cue tip is always going to be on the same side of the cue ball as the cut (right cut, right side, left cut, left side), and the speed is going to moderate (30' on a regular speed table).

I assure you it's easy to learn and master. Three weeks will be better than three years of regular practice. The first 3 hours are key because it starts opening up a new perception of what's possible without using the outside of the cue ball. Most players will NEVER stumble on this reality...until now.

 

[duckie]

The Touch Of Inside doesn't work on Virtual Pool Games. Anyone that plays the virtual game instead of the real game won't understand maximizing margin of error and many other intricacies of the TOI Technique.

What makes the TOI easier for the intermediate player is you only have to worry about speed consistency, and tip placement, and they will blend together for the most part.

The cue tip is always going to be on the same side of the cue ball as the cut (right cut, right side, left cut, left side), and the speed is going to moderate (30' on a regular speed table).

I assure you it's easy to learn and master. Three weeks will be better than three years of regular practice. The first 3 hours are key because it starts opening up a new perception of what's possible without using the outside of the cue ball. Most players will NEVER stumble on this reality...until now.

Do you ever get off our high horse? Give it freaking rest already, geez.....get your on pro section in the pro forum so you can post how great you are there.

 

[ENGLISH!]

Let me know if you or others need help deciphering how to read the graphs or interpret the results.

Regards,
Dave

Dave,

Thanks again. I do appreciate the art work, but if I played pool 'like that' I'd be playing it from the rec room of some psyciatric hospital.:wink:

Best Regards, &

 

[dr_dave]

Dave,

Thanks again. I do appreciate the art work, but if I played pool 'like that' I'd be playing it from the rec room of some psyciatric hospital.:wink:

Best Regards, &

I wouldn't advise "playing pool like that." The point of the plots isn't to teach you how to play pool, it is to help provide better understanding of some of the physics that people (e.g., you, Creedo, and many others) often ask questions about.

I don't think about the detailed physics stuff when I play either; although, I do have a solid understanding of the important effects (and compensate for them, mostly subconsciously, when I play).

Regards,
Dave

 

[CJ Wiley]

who would save the "pool world" from villains like "Super Duckie

Do you ever get off our high horse? Give it freaking rest already, geez.....get your on pro section in the pro forum so you can post how great you are there.

Then who would save the "pool world" from villains like "Super Duckie"?

 

[Bob Jewett]

The Touch Of Inside doesn't work on Virtual Pool Games. Anyone that plays the virtual game instead of the real game won't understand maximizing margin of error and many other intricacies of the TOI Technique. ...

Actually TOI works in VP exactly as it works in real life. You will need to get a copy of VP4 to understand this, however. VP also allows you to actually measure the change in margins and find the optimum stroke to maximize the chance that you will achieve the shot objectives.

 

[CJ Wiley]

The best thing about the TOI is the harder you hit the cue ball the more accurate

Actually TOI works in VP exactly as it works in real life. You will need to get a copy of VP4 to understand this, however. VP also allows you to actually measure the change in margins and find the optimum stroke to maximize the chance that you will achieve the shot objectives.

I believe it can, but of course the perspective is different and the human challenges like nervousness and stress aren't the same. Whatever system someone uses it must be able to perform under strenuous conditions.

The best thing about the TOI is the harder you hit the cue ball the more accurate it is. This is the part that is the underlying strength. The other things have to do with the difficulty of seeing where you are actually aiming the ball. CTE and CTC handles this because it uses the cue ball.

You'll see even top pros go around and look at the ball compared to the pocket. This isn't to see where to hit the ball, it's to see another perspective of the shot. They still can't see where the center of the pocket is when they go back to shoot the shot. That's why so many top pros can't explain how they aim, they're using instinct, and we all know there is a science to instinct. The unconscious can do the calculation, but the conscious mind will "get in the way" if we're not careful. That's why you won't be able to get a pro to talk about his "aiming technique" if he's about to play, he knows better than to start "over thinking," and risk a mental breakdown (although minor).

 

[ENGLISH!]

I wouldn't advise "playing pool like that." The point of the plots isn't to teach you how to play pool, it is to help provide better understanding of some of the physics that people (e.g., you, Creedo, and many others) often ask questions about.

I don't think about the detailed physics stuff when I play either; although, I do have a solid understanding of the important effects (and compensate for them, mostly subconsciously, when I play).

Regards,
Dave

I agree. I often ask, even though I understand almost all if not all of the physics in pool, because seeing it or thinking of it from a different perspective or parameter can certainly add to the data base that the subconscious can call upon. Sometimes a statement needs to be clarified or put in more particular context so has to not create a misunderstanding by what may seem to be confusing vernacular. The written word seems limited at times.

I just don't associate all of the numbers to the different components but instead rely on perception, feel, experience, subconscious, etc. I see an angle & do not think, well that is the 30 degree angle that will allow....if..., I just see it, know what will happen & shoot.

Again I appreciate all of your hard work, effort, & generosity.

Best Regards to You &

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Actually TOI works in VP exactly as it works in real life. You will need to get a copy of VP4 to understand this, however. VP also allows you to actually measure the change in margins and find the optimum stroke to maximize the chance that you will achieve the shot objectives.

Are VP4's physics different from VP3's?

pj
chgo

 

[Bob Jewett]

Are VP4's physics different from VP3's?

pj
chgo

Yes, they've been improved in several ways. I don't have the list right now. VP3 was already good enough to cover most situations accurately.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Are VP4's physics different from VP3's?

pj
chgo

Bob:
Yes, they've been improved in several ways.

Damn! I was afraid you'd say that. There goes the latte money.

pj
chgo

 

[cool_hand_ljb]

Toi video

I for one am vary excited to see your video. I have a 10 foot Brunswick with pockets that are just under 4 inches.Geno can tell you how difficult this table is to play.I have been using TOI and I can definitely see that it works. I also feel that I don't fully understand it and so I think your video should fill in some gaps for me.I also think a champion has greater understanding of the game than books alone can tell you. The world was once flat according to most, but some rewrote the books of their time against all popular opinion. So keep telling those of us who want to listen.

 

[CJ Wiley]

{I} will do whatever it takes for my teacher to prosper, and 'The Game is my Teacher'

I for one am vary excited to see your video. I have a 10 foot Brunswick with pockets that are just under 4 inches.Geno can tell you how difficult this table is to play.I have been using TOI and I can definitely see that it works. I also feel that I don't fully understand it and so I think your video should fill in some gaps for me.I also think a champion has greater understanding of the game than books alone can tell you. The world was once flat according to most, but some rewrote the books of their time against all popular opinion. So keep telling those of us who want to listen.

That's great to hear, I'd like to play on that table.

Even though I've made a "gallant" attempt (my critics will love that term ) to explain the TOI there is just no way I can do it in writing like I can on video. Even on video it took me 10 hours of demonstration and description to be satisfied that TOI is communicated properly.

Before you think it's a 10 hour video I'll put your mind at ease, it's been cut down to just over an hour. The point is there's a LOT to explaining something that ends up being so simple to use. I took the 3 major calculations you have to make to play pool and blended them into one system.

This was one of the biggest challenges of my career thus far, the playing is easy compared to truly communicating how I do it specifically. And the key is to explain it in a way that you can REALLY do it, and not just say "wow, it's amazing, but I could never do that". After you watch {and apply} this TOI Video anyone will be able to do what I do (at their own level, whatever that may be) and get amazing results and jump up levels in their performance.

I would NEVER have shown this when I was in my gambling prime. I'm basically giving away my advantage that I enjoyed for many years. The advantage of other people will diminish as well, however, I'm not doing it "to" anyone, I'm doing it "for" everyone {that wants it}.

From my observation, for the Game to get more popular{again}, it must become easier for MANY to play better and learn easier. This is my outcome and my long term goal and {I} will do whatever it takes for my teacher to rise in popularity, and 'The Game is my Teacher'.