Painpool's work very pleased!
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Agree with Chris..dont remove for sale
Heh, we might as well all join in. I have had 3 transactions here on this board with stuff for sale..things that i would have never got without the great values and rare finds that are here. However....some people [you know who you are] just cant let it go. I was one of the people who suggested that this should be over..and one of the people involved told me i was new and to stay out of it because i didnt know what was going on...NICE!! This message board is great. I cant tell you how much it has improved my game and my knowledge base form just here. I log on 10+ times a day. Thanks for soing this Mr Wilson.
Heh, we might as well all join in. I have had 3 transactions here on this board with stuff for sale..things that i would have never got without the great values and rare finds that are here. However....some people [you know who you are] just cant let it go. I was one of the people who suggested that this should be over..and one of the people involved told me i was new and to stay out of it because i didnt know what was going on...NICE!! This message board is great. I cant tell you how much it has improved my game and my knowledge base form just here. I log on 10+ times a day. Thanks for soing this Mr Wilson.
Like I said, I need the regular posters to help. If you guys see things that are wrong, peer pressure works.
I need the help from the community to keep AZB a safe place for someone to either buy or sell.
I think Aaron has gotten the shaft on this whole ordeal ( personally ). The guy came here and made an offer that a lot of people took him up on. He's trying to get something started and despite all the good reviews, people have a tendency to dogpile when they see an opportunity.
His phone number is in every post he makes. Everyone knows his real name and address.
.......But.........God forbid he make a mistake. Get a rope, he's a scammer and worse!
Everyone does all they can to get something, anything, cheaper...faster....Free!! The guy is trying to make a business and is offering a very reasonable price.
ONE person is unhappy and is getting a refund ( I guess not nearly fast enough ) but from there out, they should be able to denegrate the rest of his work?
Someone praises his work and the thread is trashed by someone dumping on it.
It's wrong and things are going to change one way or another.
I need the help from the community to keep AZB a safe place for someone to either buy or sell.
I think Aaron has gotten the shaft on this whole ordeal ( personally ). The guy came here and made an offer that a lot of people took him up on. He's trying to get something started and despite all the good reviews, people have a tendency to dogpile when they see an opportunity.
His phone number is in every post he makes. Everyone knows his real name and address.
.......But.........God forbid he make a mistake. Get a rope, he's a scammer and worse!
Everyone does all they can to get something, anything, cheaper...faster....Free!! The guy is trying to make a business and is offering a very reasonable price.
ONE person is unhappy and is getting a refund ( I guess not nearly fast enough ) but from there out, they should be able to denegrate the rest of his work?
Someone praises his work and the thread is trashed by someone dumping on it.
It's wrong and things are going to change one way or another.
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No doubt the moderators have a tough job to do...like the ump at a baseball game, 1/2 of the people hate them all the time. Since I have been involved with the board, I think you guys have done a marvelous job. The negative posts/flame wars are really few and far between, but when they come up, they are the center of attention. I don't have a solution, other than simply deleting a thread that is out of line. I really like this place....be a real shame to lose it over a b#!ch session.
Dave, we both can read.Mr. Wilson said:
I also realize that moderating a board is tough, and that, yes, there are going to be people who can fling it out, but then will whine to you when they get it back. That's fine, and also expected - we've seen that on this board more than once. But thanks for bringing that up.
Like yourself, I have better things to do than argue with someone I have never met. In the future I'll simply give the violated AZ'er the phone number of the local police department, along with the name of the detective with the case files. Hopefully that satisfies you.
Have a good weekend - it starts by turning off the computer.
PLEASE Mr. Wilson save the for sale/wanted section. I have bought several items here also and love this section. The only wish I have is that hot heads handle their business privately. If they can't and need a referee then they should look you up Mr. Wilson. If all else fails and no resolution will ever happen then allow one he said/ she said flame out to occur. Once the dirty laundry has been thrown around then lock it up and kill it. I do have to admit there for a while I was actually laughing to myself at how childish the behaviors had become. Silly really. I am far from perfect and surely have upset others unfortunately and wish several times I could redo situations, but I am human and make mistakes too. Sorry!! That's life. IMHO
That's my 0.02 worth.
John
That's my 0.02 worth.
John
Mr. Wilson said:
outstanding post.
this is the reason you find people who have gotten good work from aaron speaking out saying how good a job he did.
i know your job is tough and thankless.
the people who think you pick on some and look away to others don't see the big picture and could never do the great job you do.
kudos.
keep up the good work and stay tough.
your doing the right thing.
chris G
Mr. Wilson said:
I agree, but threads like the one in question do serve a purpose. There are some people I would never sell a cue to because I know they would be demanding for me to pay for a refinish or a new wrap or something like that on a used cue. By allowing them to show their a$$ in public their character is revealed.
Mr. Wilson said:
My, my Dave, how your attitude has changed since the phone conversation we had. Was you saying all those things because they are what I wanted to hear and you knew it was appease the situation? Win/Win for you huh.
Mr. Wilson said:
God forbid I should expect my cue in the time frame he stated, for the price he stated and for the quality HE stated...
I didn't/don't want anything for free, I do however want back the money I invested in Aaron so I can pay to have the job DONE RIGHT, sorry if you cant understand that.
Mr. Wilson said:
I posted in this thread because I seen Aaron was here, and frankly it is the first activity I have seen from him since he said my "money was in the mail". Once again, sorry for being a concerned consumer. Guess I should just roll over and accept the fact that I got screwed huh?
Mr. Wilson said:
Now, you want to ban me for not letting someone screw me over and voicing my opinions about it, fine, your the moderator. Wont be a very popular place though if you ban every poster that has a different opinion then you.
Since you are speaking for Aaron now, perhaps you would like to send me my money.
I know, I know, checks in the mail right.
Sore, the take home message is that most people just want it calm and peaceful. As long as it doesn't happen to them, they just aren't concerned and the messenger becomes the problem. If that becomes the norm, the only recourse any complaintant has is court - the forum loses it's 'peer pressure' power to help us avoid the hassels of that sort of thing. The complaintant doesn't want the trouble and ends up blowing it off. Who wins? Simple answer, as you are finding out. And as a bonus, you end up being labeled a 'trouble-maker' or 'liar', AND you don't get your problem resolved. And anyone who backs you up based on their own experience becomes a trouble-maker and liar as well 
Now I've got a bunch of people I don't even know pissed at me because of my involvement in this, and it's dawning on me now that this just isn't fun - period. I've spent way too much time on this, and in the end, I'm further behind than I started, now trying to convince Dave that I'm not a liar myself! ...fishing up police reports, Paypal claims, etc. What a waste of time. Oh, and as a final crap on my head I get a newbie with three posts leaving me a negative! OMG - I guess I'll spend the rest of the evening crying in my beer. Funny thing, as much of an A-hole and liar as I am, I'm not finding any posts to that effect from people who have dealt with me
Now I've got a bunch of people I don't even know pissed at me because of my involvement in this, and it's dawning on me now that this just isn't fun - period. I've spent way too much time on this, and in the end, I'm further behind than I started, now trying to convince Dave that I'm not a liar myself! ...fishing up police reports, Paypal claims, etc. What a waste of time. Oh, and as a final crap on my head I get a newbie with three posts leaving me a negative! OMG - I guess I'll spend the rest of the evening crying in my beer. Funny thing, as much of an A-hole and liar as I am, I'm not finding any posts to that effect from people who have dealt with me
asiasdad
Banned
alstl said:
runscott ain't lying.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=25378&highlight=fraudulent+seller+ebay
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Mr Wilson you are the man!
Much thanks Mr wilson
And as for every one else
I really think if you haven't contributed to my thread positavely as it was ment to be your post should be deleated! Sorry just my thoughts and all it takes is one bad Azer or two and this whole forum is held up to the mercy of there petty thoughts. You will ruin a good thing then cry foul.
And this forum is a super good thing. Sore and Runscott good luck but this thread is not for you at all. If you can not understand what I posted I will say it again
PAINPOOLS WORK VERY PLEASED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
\ So contribute positively or not at all. I almost feel like this is attack on me personally. Do you really want me to say publicly what I know? I really do not think so! Just be nice! More flys with honey!
Nick
Much thanks Mr wilson
And as for every one else
I really think if you haven't contributed to my thread positavely as it was ment to be your post should be deleated! Sorry just my thoughts and all it takes is one bad Azer or two and this whole forum is held up to the mercy of there petty thoughts. You will ruin a good thing then cry foul.
And this forum is a super good thing. Sore and Runscott good luck but this thread is not for you at all. If you can not understand what I posted I will say it again
PAINPOOLS WORK VERY PLEASED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
\ So contribute positively or not at all. I almost feel like this is attack on me personally. Do you really want me to say publicly what I know? I really do not think so! Just be nice! More flys with honey!
Nick
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nick serdula said:
Then at the same time, everyone who didn't respond the way I had wished they would in the other thread, should be deleted, removed and edited..
nick serdula said:
Nick I would LOVE to hear "what you know". I hope its the part about my "best friend" having a falling out with Aaron, I really am curious to hear more about that story..
Sore_Aintya said:God forbid I should expect my cue in the time frame he stated, for the price he stated and for the quality HE stated...
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sore,
this whole transaction was doomed from the start. first, russ's finish is one of the worst in the whole buisness. his finish is WAY too thin. aaron is still in a learning mode right now. he didnt know this. HE never should have promised to keep the signature. thats his fault. BUT he payed for all that shipping to make it right. now the cue sat around as bare wood for 3 weeks in his shop, in russ' shop, and in the mail. dirt, dust got in the cue. now that it's signed, he can't clean it the way he wants, and didnt know there would be dust issues in the wood of your cue. YES his fault.
so that accounts for most of the time the cue was away from you and the finish issues. everyone agrees he messed up. DID YOU HEAR THAT RUNSCOTT? if the wrap was done poorly, then he messed up that too.
BUT, if he could have saved your signature, the finish would have been WAY better, i promise you. and if you were not happy about the wrap, he would have done it again at no charge. you would have had your cue back in a week or so like everyone else. i am truly sorry that this didn't work out for you.
but you have to understand this. everyone here knows he a beginner. that's why he gives such a great price. everyone here knows if he messes anything up, he will correct it. you guys PMed each other more than once a day throughout this whole ordeal. he was trying to keep you in the loop the whole time.
he has been doing some outstanding work for 95%+ of the AZers here. thats why these threads keep popping up.
i'm gonna let you in on another little secret too.
alot of people don't know this, but almost every top cuemaker reads these posts every week. i know alot of them, and they all say the same thing.
that they feel bad for aaron getting torched in public like this. cue repairs is a tough buisness. that's why these top cuemakers don't come here to post. they are afraid. you don't think for one second that all these top cuemakers have never made a mistake on cues before? and if they did, do you think they would want it on a public forum like this? they know not to promise signatures. they have done thousands of wraps. thats why they charge bigger money for their work. experience.
the way you handled yourself here but torching aaron in public reminds people not to do buisness here. it hurt everyone.
and if you say you wanted to protect everyone from aaron, well, he's been doing wood work for people 95%+ of the time. no one can deny this fact. single handed, you have destroyed his buisness. if you ever try to have a custom cue made by one of these top cuemakers who read this forum (and most do), don't be suprised if they say no.
chris G
PS: here is a pic of the wrap aaron just put on my bender, seam and all. flawless. thanks Aaron.
bogey54311 said:
This statement could not be any further from the truth.
bogey54311 said:
I wonder if these are the same "top cue makers" that have PMed, emailed and called me saying that it was a hack job and asking why I didn't send it to them in the first place? The same cue makers saying I did a service by speaking out against the masses over poor workmanship?
Guess we will never know.
bogey54311 said:
So us in the 5% are supposed to keep quiet and accept the fact that we were not one of the lucky ones?
bogey54311 said:
I didn't destroy his business, he did, the instant he went into attack mode. I just wanted what I was promised, anyone else in my shoes would expect the same. If a cue maker would refuse to do work for me because I expect to get what I pay for, fine. There are after all, more cue makers out there, and more and more popping up everyday.
I didn't mean to derail this thread, honestly wasn't my intention. I just wanted to get Aaron's attention since he hasn't mentioned anything about my "refund". I promise, once I get my money you will never hear another word from me concerning the issue.
Until then, I have a voice and a right to use it.
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that's B.S.
Having spent the last ten years in law enforcement, I'll just let you know.The little tiff between the two az'ers would not be a criminal investigation but would rather be a situation to be handeled through civil litigation.There was no type of fraudalant activity that had occurred but instead was a customer not being happy with a person's work.NOT A CRIME.If both parties did as stated,which both did,if the quality is not what is expected, then this is acivil matter.One should now what they are talking about before they post ludicrous non-sense on a reputable board.Have a good day.runscott said:
PAINPOOL
Banned
Wow!!!!
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I didn't destroy his business, he did, the instant he went into attack mode. I just wanted what I was promised, anyone else in my shoes would expect the same. If a cue maker would refuse to do work for me because I expect to get what I pay for, fine. There are after all, more cue makers out there, and more and more popping up everyday.
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I'll just say this.... Sore , you will get your money!!! Don't worry! I went on the attack????? Really, I don't recall being the one who brought this on.. As far as defending my reputation, Also , My right. You set out to try to destroy me even including how your wife would like the same. People in previous threads made statements to the fact that you were a customer????
YA!!!!! Right before you sent out to Sh!@ on me before you even had your cue. There is no way on God's green earth I sent you that wrap that way, PERIOD!! You took the edges and pushed it to make your case look better. There is a felllow AZER here that looked at your cue before it left. He stated to me that he did not see anything wrong with it. Then you take extreme high resolution pics that could depict a Fly's ass and say it's sh#@. With Florecent lighting and set the way it would bring any flaw out. Those marks with the naked eye are very hard to see. Not saying you deserved them, You just exploited them to a unnatural level. The bottom line is, In no way shape or form would I have not fixed all of it for free and remburse your shipping. The butt sleeve I would have redone and the wrap. Through out this whole or deal you could have called me or gave me your# and I would have discussed everything with you. The fact is, you only called me one time. My response was, man I'm glad you called me. Runscott, a few months back you wanted to do a deal with me. So cut the crap. You know what happened with your situation and I made it right as soon as I could. You should lay off on your PM"S that your sending AZER"S. The right people have seen them. I always strive to do the right thing! I'm not perfect , but I truely try.
I will continue to do great work at great prices and will bend over backwards for my customers. Thanx to all Aaron 815-243-1101
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I didn't destroy his business, he did, the instant he went into attack mode. I just wanted what I was promised, anyone else in my shoes would expect the same. If a cue maker would refuse to do work for me because I expect to get what I pay for, fine. There are after all, more cue makers out there, and more and more popping up everyday.
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I'll just say this.... Sore , you will get your money!!! Don't worry! I went on the attack????? Really, I don't recall being the one who brought this on.. As far as defending my reputation, Also , My right. You set out to try to destroy me even including how your wife would like the same. People in previous threads made statements to the fact that you were a customer????
YA!!!!! Right before you sent out to Sh!@ on me before you even had your cue. There is no way on God's green earth I sent you that wrap that way, PERIOD!! You took the edges and pushed it to make your case look better. There is a felllow AZER here that looked at your cue before it left. He stated to me that he did not see anything wrong with it. Then you take extreme high resolution pics that could depict a Fly's ass and say it's sh#@. With Florecent lighting and set the way it would bring any flaw out. Those marks with the naked eye are very hard to see. Not saying you deserved them, You just exploited them to a unnatural level. The bottom line is, In no way shape or form would I have not fixed all of it for free and remburse your shipping. The butt sleeve I would have redone and the wrap. Through out this whole or deal you could have called me or gave me your# and I would have discussed everything with you. The fact is, you only called me one time. My response was, man I'm glad you called me. Runscott, a few months back you wanted to do a deal with me. So cut the crap. You know what happened with your situation and I made it right as soon as I could. You should lay off on your PM"S that your sending AZER"S. The right people have seen them. I always strive to do the right thing! I'm not perfect , but I truely try.
I will continue to do great work at great prices and will bend over backwards for my customers. Thanx to all Aaron 815-243-1101
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I'll just say this.... Sore , you will get your money!!! Don't worry! I went on the attack????? Really, I don't recall being the one who brought this on.. As far as defending my reputation, Also , My right. You set out to try to destroy me even including how your wife would like the same. People in previous threads made statements to the fact that you were a customer????
YA!!!!! Right before you sent out to Sh!@ on me before you even had your cue. There is no way on God's green earth I sent you that wrap that way, PERIOD!! You took the edges and pushed it to make your case look better. There is a felllow AZER here that looked at your cue before it left. He stated to me that he did not see anything wrong with it. Then you take extreme high resolution pics that could depict a Fly's ass and say it's sh#@. With Florecent lighting and set the way it would bring any flaw out. Those marks with the naked eye are very hard to see. Not saying you deserved them, You just exploited them to a unnatural level. The bottom line is, In no way shape or form would I have not fixed all of it for free and remburse your shipping. The butt sleeve I would have redone and the wrap. Through out this whole or deal you could have called me or gave me your# and I would have discussed everything with you. The fact is, you only called me one time. My response was, man I'm glad you called me. Runscott, a few months back you wanted to do a deal with me. So cut the crap. You know what happened with your situation and I made it right as soon as I could. You should lay off on your PM"S that your sending AZER"S. The right people have seen them. I always strive to do the right thing! I'm not perfect , but I truely try.
I will continue to do great work at great prices and will bend over backwards for my customers. Thanx to all Aaron 815-243-1101 [/QUOTE]
This is why I still think it's worth giving Aaron a shot at any of your cues. I whole heartedly agree with bogey. Everyone here knew he was a beginner learning the ropes but knew how to do a good job. Every little experience helps aaron out to help him do a better job the next time. Leather wrap, 79 dollars from Aaron. 89 from Petree. Everyone that was dissatisfied with Aarons work has no one to blame but themselves. You all wanted to save 30 dollars on a refinish from a new guy and didn't understand what came with it. I honestly would send him one of my cues fully understanding that if it came out somewhat poorly, that I would just send it back. No questions asked. I wouldn't expect it back in a week. If you wanted a quick turnaroud then send it to Scot at proficient. But everyone who is DISSATISFIED with Aaron's work should just take it up with him. I felt sorry for him as well. He went well out of his way to get a signature and get Sore his cue in a timely fashion. I personally think anyone who is scared to deal with Aaron, to give him at least one try. If you don't like it than I'm sure it will be a cheap lesson. But I highly doubt that any of you will have the problems that Sore did. Alot of you don't realize that Aaron as well paid for that lesson. Not just Sore. There are always two sides but everyone wants to sympathize with the customer.
Tony
I'll just say this.... Sore , you will get your money!!! Don't worry! I went on the attack????? Really, I don't recall being the one who brought this on.. As far as defending my reputation, Also , My right. You set out to try to destroy me even including how your wife would like the same. People in previous threads made statements to the fact that you were a customer????
YA!!!!! Right before you sent out to Sh!@ on me before you even had your cue. There is no way on God's green earth I sent you that wrap that way, PERIOD!! You took the edges and pushed it to make your case look better. There is a felllow AZER here that looked at your cue before it left. He stated to me that he did not see anything wrong with it. Then you take extreme high resolution pics that could depict a Fly's ass and say it's sh#@. With Florecent lighting and set the way it would bring any flaw out. Those marks with the naked eye are very hard to see. Not saying you deserved them, You just exploited them to a unnatural level. The bottom line is, In no way shape or form would I have not fixed all of it for free and remburse your shipping. The butt sleeve I would have redone and the wrap. Through out this whole or deal you could have called me or gave me your# and I would have discussed everything with you. The fact is, you only called me one time. My response was, man I'm glad you called me. Runscott, a few months back you wanted to do a deal with me. So cut the crap. You know what happened with your situation and I made it right as soon as I could. You should lay off on your PM"S that your sending AZER"S. The right people have seen them. I always strive to do the right thing! I'm not perfect , but I truely try.
I will continue to do great work at great prices and will bend over backwards for my customers. Thanx to all Aaron 815-243-1101
[/QUOTE]This is why I still think it's worth giving Aaron a shot at any of your cues. I whole heartedly agree with bogey. Everyone here knew he was a beginner learning the ropes but knew how to do a good job. Every little experience helps aaron out to help him do a better job the next time. Leather wrap, 79 dollars from Aaron. 89 from Petree. Everyone that was dissatisfied with Aarons work has no one to blame but themselves. You all wanted to save 30 dollars on a refinish from a new guy and didn't understand what came with it. I honestly would send him one of my cues fully understanding that if it came out somewhat poorly, that I would just send it back. No questions asked. I wouldn't expect it back in a week. If you wanted a quick turnaroud then send it to Scot at proficient. But everyone who is DISSATISFIED with Aaron's work should just take it up with him. I felt sorry for him as well. He went well out of his way to get a signature and get Sore his cue in a timely fashion. I personally think anyone who is scared to deal with Aaron, to give him at least one try. If you don't like it than I'm sure it will be a cheap lesson. But I highly doubt that any of you will have the problems that Sore did. Alot of you don't realize that Aaron as well paid for that lesson. Not just Sore. There are always two sides but everyone wants to sympathize with the customer.
Tony