Parallel, Front Hand or Back Hand English

How do you apply English?

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Tennesseejoe

Tennesseejoe

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I always thought Parallel English was the most accepted. A recent article stated this is incorrect. I would like to know what you use and would like higher level players comments.
 
None of the above

Tennesseejoe said:
I always thought Parallel English was the most accepted. A recent article stated this is incorrect. I would like to know what you use and would like higher level players comments.
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I selected "Combination of both," but a better option for me would have been "None of the above."

If people want to view videos and articles concerning these topics, I have links and more info from me and others here:


Regards,
Dave
 
A new line must be created for englished shots, not just an adjustment on the old line used with center ball. So imo none of the choices are satisfactory, they are compromises that work some of the time.
 
TennesseeJoe,

I think your poll's choices are incomplete.

There are many times I'll shoot with what is called parallel english for certain shots, back hand english for others, and sometimes a combination of parallel with BHE.

Sheesh...

What's a guy to do with the choices up there?

Any way to reconfigure the poll?

Flex
 
Patrick Johnson said:
What's "parallel english"? What's parallel to what?

pj
chgo
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Line through the center of the CB to the center of the ghostball position. Parallel english means you move your cue to the english position parallel to this line.

It's total nonsense. Show me one good player anywhere who does this.

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I think the best players in the world use BHE just about exclusively... I don't see them ever compensate with their bridge.

This thread will prob turn into about 10 pages of arguing about styles and what's better. If you can make balls by doing whatever, God bless ya :)
 
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I put the combo, but if you had a choice for, "I am not conscious of how I apply my english", I would have picked that one. :) Maybe that's one of the reasons why I'm not a better player. LOL. :embarrassed2:
 
To me the beauty of backhand english is that it is fixed solid, so if you know your effective pivot point for various shots you can hit the aimed to contact point on any shot, without any estimations.

With front hand english it is a matter of approximation, an intuitive approach.

Perfectly parallel english can only work on a few shots. e.g. When close to OB and squirt and throw cancel out, or when slightly elevated such that swerve cancels out squirt.

Colin
 
I just read an artical on this subject, and I was wondering the benifits over

the conventional stroke, or if it was more of a different way to get the

same result with side english. Two player that use this stroke are

Fransisco Bustamate and Santos Sambajon. Also other Philipinos use the

same stroke.
 
I'll be honest, I sure don't know about all this fronthand and backhand english, I dunno, maybe I use it. I know I'm always aiming at the same point on the OB regardless.

Anyway, the conversation always brings to mind a book I have from quite a while back that I think is teaching what everyone refers to as parallel english.

For fun I did a search on Barnes and Noble in the out of print store.

To my amazement, this paperback book is commanding quite a bit of money. Anyone heard of it? Here's the link.


http://search.barnesandnoble.com/used/ListingResults.asp?WID=17774865&TTL=billiards accuracy&Itm=1
 
Front hand and backhand english refer to moving the stick out from the body

or in to the body to apply english to the cue ball. They are the same thing,

one is just inside english and the other is outside english. Your bridge hand is

working as a pivet. Your stick is moving in and out on a horizontal axis to

apply the english.
 
What's "parallel english"? What's parallel to what?
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Line through the center of the CB to the center of the ghostball position. Parallel english means you move your cue to the english position parallel to this line.

It's total nonsense.
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In fact, since it wouldn't work (you'd miss most shots), I don't think it actually exists. Players who think they're using "parallel english" must really add the necessary angle subconsciously, maybe including some backhand adjustment in the stroke.

What I do (conscious whole-stick aim adjustment) isn't on the list of choices.

pj
chgo
 
J.Goosman said:
Front hand and backhand english refer to moving the stick out from the body or in to the body to apply english to the cue ball. They are the same thing, one is just inside english and the other is outside english. Your bridge hand is working as a pivet. Your stick is moving in and out on a horizontal axis to apply the english.
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This is a little confused.

Backhand english is when you keep your bridge hand still and move your backhand sideways to apply english. This works with high squirt sticks.

Fronthand english is when you keep your back hand still and move your bridge hand sideways to apply english. This works with low squirt sticks.

Which method you use has nothing to do with inside or outside english. Those terms refer to how you spin the cueball in relation to which way you're cutting the object ball (spinning the CB in the direction of the cut = inside english; spinning it in the other direction = outside english).

pj
chgo
 
i think i must do parrallel english.when i aim if for instance i'm playing a cut shot to the right and i'm using a tip of inside english i aim to make the ball as if the pocket was further to the left.this allows for the deflection of my cue and the ball should be made.
hope that makes sense.........
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Backhand english is when you keep your bridge hand still and move your backhand sideways to apply english. This works with high squirt sticks.
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Pat,

One of these days at Chris's I'll have to show you how it is possible to use back hand english with a low squirt cue. I use it with my cue with the 11mm tip from time to time. Most of the time I use "parallel english" and make adjustments to how I aim and stroke depending on the shot. I may do all this differently from others, and I'd like to show it to you.

Flex
 
tjlmbklr said:
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Parallel english is very bad, watch Joe Tuckers video on it.

Here it is!
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it's funny when Joe starts his "shpeel" on predator cues being built for less "squirt" then proceeds to hit the cue ball with the predator, not with parallel english, like he did with the other cue, but back-hand-english which brings the cue back to center automatically because the aim has changed from center........bottom line is ALL cue sticks deflect. it's learning their characteristics and ways to play with them that matters.......BHE is the best way imo to "right" the "evil" when having to use spin......
 
And if you approach the shot with spin already applied? I mean no lining up for a middle ball hit and then adjust (whether front or back hand). What would this be called?
 
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