Peace proposal

None of that justifies what Dan said.

Ever occur to you that maybe Stan regretted what he said in the heat of the moment which is why he deleted them? But,leave it to you to keep on bringing it up.


oh, Stan felt this and Stan felt that, lol. Heat of the moment. Are you kidding me?!

How about the rest of us? Do we not feel the same when attacked?! Are the rules here not universal?! "If you pri*ck us, do we not bleed?" WS

But leave it to you to be apologist in chief for Stan's repeated foulness.

If "regret" is the excuse, it is a poor one.

Lou Figueroa
 
oh, Stan felt this and Stan felt that, lol. Heat of the moment. Are you kidding me?!

How about the rest of us? Do we not feel the same when attacked?! Are the rules here not universal?! "If you pri*ck us, do we not bleed?" WS

But leave it to you to be apologist in chief for Stan's repeated foulness.

If "regret" is the excuse, it is a poor one.

Lou Figueroa

I meant every word that I said. I spoke a simple truth to Dan and he responded as he did. That's fine.
Let me clue you in, Lou. I don't mind standing up to Internet bullies such as yourself. You've been hawking my work and posts with your negativity going on ten years now. You know what I don't quite get? Is how in the hell you by with it year after year after year. It's all in the name of your HATE for CTE and your undying efforts to do whatever you can to kill it.

Stan Shuffett
 
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I have no problem with you, Sweepin' Stan. I'd rather remain friendly and cordial than argue all the time. Here is my position in a nutshell (I think you already know it):

I believe you have worked sincerely at presenting an interesting aiming system to the pool world. Many played better because of it, some have not. I do not believe the system is 100% objective and that it works for the reason you say it does (the "mystery" phenonemon). I have presented some alternate ideas over the last couple of years to that effect. Many other people (like ENGLISH!) were upset that you called it an objective system and that was the ONLY REASON they were upset. You said yourself more recently that you didn't fully understand everything about CTE but you do now and that it will be revealed in your book. My reaction to that is simply to wait and see what your book says. I don't know everything and if you say your book finally explains all then who am I to disagree? If you can prove that it really is 100% objective then terrific! That will end the dispute, at least in my mind.

I would be very happy for you and CTE Pro1 if it all pans out in your book. I have never said that some people don't play better with CTE and I have never told people not to learn it.

As to your somewhat over-zealous supporters in this forum, they seem to be chasing thier tails. All of your supporters say they don't care how it works, it just does. I think cookie just said that again in another thread. Well my main interest is in how it works. So the logical fallacy is that when I suggest a couple of possible explanations, they all jump up and down and say I'm wrong. So how is it possible that they don't know and don't really care how it works yet at the same time they know my explanations can't be correct? You can say, well your explanation can't be right because of x,y,z, but they don't do that. They just shout me down and say I don't know anything. So that goes on for how many years?

That's my full story. I have no hidden agenda and I don't hate anybody here to the degree that I want to see CTE "fail." I have always simply wanted to make sense of the mystery phenomenon, period.

So hopefully that comes across in the positive spirit it was intended. Unfortunately I cannot control the few howler monkeys in the forum who enjoy the bickering and distortion of positions. But in the fog of all the back and forth I wanted to restate things for you specifically so you know I wish you well with the book release. I'm still "dubious" of the whole explanation, but I am willing to reserve judgment.

Regards,
Dubious Dan

Another total garbage post with lies. How do you sleep at night.
 
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I believe you have worked sincerely at presenting an interesting aiming system to the pool world. Many played better because of it, some have not. I do not believe the system is 100% objective and that it works for the reason you say it does (the "mystery" phenonemon). I have presented some alternate ideas over the last couple of years to that effect. Many other people (like ENGLISH!) were upset that you called it an objective system and that was the ONLY REASON they were upset. You said yourself more recently that you didn't fully understand everything about CTE but you do now and that it will be revealed in your book. My reaction to that is simply to wait and see what your book says. I don't know everything and if you say your book finally explains all then who am I to disagree? If you can prove that it really is 100% objective then terrific! That will end the dispute, at least in my mind.

I would be very happy for you and CTE Pro1 if it all pans out in your book. I have never said that some people don't play better with CTE and I have never told people not to learn it.

As to your somewhat over-zealous supporters in this forum, they seem to be chasing thier tails. All of your supporters say they don't care how it works, it just does. I think cookie just said that again in another thread. Well my main interest is in how it works. So the logical fallacy is that when I suggest a couple of possible explanations, they all jump up and down and say I'm wrong. So how is it possible that they don't know and don't really care how it works yet at the same time they know my explanations can't be correct? You can say, well your explanation can't be right because of x,y,z, but they don't do that. They just shout me down and say I don't know anything. So that goes on for how many years?

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Regards,
Dubious Dan

My thoughts exactly. I especially find it odd that one guy in particular claims he cleans up all the locals now that he's learned CTE, not by buying any of Stan's DVD's but simply watching the youtube videos, and the same guy started a thread questioning the very thing I was roasted for questioning -- the final alignment to CCB. How can a player be successful using CTE if he doesn't know how to reach the final CCB solution?

And every time I read or hear, "the 15 30 and 45 connect to right angles", I can't help but compare that to something like Abbott and Costello''s "who's on first" bit. But I don't care about any makeshift reasoning. My only question mirrors that of the CTE cheerleader mentioned above -- how do know where the CCB solution is? And I'm good with waiting and paying for the book to get that answer.
 
My thoughts exactly. I especially find it odd that one guy in particular claims he cleans up all the locals now that he's learned CTE, not by buying any of Stan's DVD's but simply watching the youtube videos, and the same guy started a thread questioning the very thing I was roasted for questioning -- the final alignment to CCB. How can a player be successful using CTE if he doesn't know how to reach the final CCB solution?

And every time I read or hear, "the 15 30 and 45 connect to right angles", I can't help but compare that to something like Abbott and Costello''s "who's on first" bit. But I don't care about any makeshift reasoning. My only question mirrors that of the CTE cheerleader mentioned above -- how do know where the CCB solution is? And I'm good with waiting and paying for the book to get that answer.

I actually tried watching the youtube videos this evening, I couldn't really get into them, frustrating without the CTE Pro 1 DVDs I guess, maybe I will find them on the secondary market and give them a look. I can't see how anyone could get proficient from those (youtube) videos, most notably because Stan himself has said the information was either not correct or incomplete. So that person claiming to have figured it out from the videos must have figured something else out.

I will have to check the book out, seems I have been hearing about it for quite some time...I wonder if anyone on this forum has an approximation of when this book will be finished and ready for purchase. I am interested in the system (CTE) and also in Poolology, will try to pick them up around the same time and compare their usefulness when I get the chance. Guess it is just a matter of waiting on Stan's book.
 
I have no problem with you, Sweepin' Stan. I'd rather remain friendly and cordial than argue all the time.

"But here I am setting you up to argue by honey coating it with 'I'd rather remain friendly." Friendly? What a joke.

Here is my position in a nutshell (I think you already know it):

There is no nutshell. Your position is in a B-52 hangar.

I believe you have worked sincerely at presenting an interesting aiming system to the pool world. Many played better because of it, some have not. I do not believe the system is 100% objective and that it works for the reason you say it does (the "mystery" phenonemon).

"But I, DAN WHITE-Chemical Engineer, know that it doesn't work that way even though I can't describe or execute the instructions for any semblance of success".

I have presented some alternate ideas over the last couple of years to that effect. Many other people (like ENGLISH!) were upset that you called it an objective system and that was the ONLY REASON they were upset.

ENGLISH, like yourself, are two nobodies in the world of pool that have never accomplished JACK SQUAT. Nothing more than two highly opinionated know-it-all big mouths infecting a pool forum with venom.

You said yourself more recently that you didn't fully understand everything about CTE but you do now and that it will be revealed in your book. My reaction to that is simply to wait and see what your book says.

How many times are you going to say "my reaction is simply to wait and see what your book says" and then turn right around with 10 more scathing, miserably negative posts about CTE or Stan. You say it 1-3 times daily and then follow up with the crap.

I don't know everything and if you say your book finally explains all then who am I to disagree?

You'll be the same know-it-all negative bad seed you've always been. There's nothing going to change.

If you can prove that it really is 100% objective then terrific! That will end the dispute, at least in my mind.

ROTFLMAO! Like I said before, you are a very accomplished liar.

I would be very happy for you and CTE Pro1 if it all pans out in your book. I have never said that some people don't play better with CTE and I have never told people not to learn it.

No, not directly in those words. But there's something written by you every day for the last 10 years intimating the system is flawed and a hoax.

As to your somewhat over-zealous supporters in this forum, they seem to be chasing thier tails.

Truth is, we're trying to chase YOUR TAIL and LOU'S TAIL out of the CTE threads forever. It's disgusting.

All of your supporters say they don't care how it works, it just does. I think cookie just said that again in another thread. Well my main interest is in how it works.

But you don't think you should get it to work first, correct?

So the logical fallacy is that when I suggest a couple of possible explanations, they all jump up and down and say I'm wrong.

Because you are wrong.

So how is it possible that they don't know and don't really care how it works yet at the same time they know my explanations can't be correct?

Real simple. Because you can't explain how to perform it let alone actually performing any of it.

You can say, well your explanation can't be right because of x,y,z, but they don't do that. They just shout me down and say I don't know anything. So that goes on for how many years?

Well, as many years as you've been running your big negative mouth off.

That's my full story. I have no hidden agenda and I don't hate anybody here to the degree that I want to see CTE "fail." I have always simply wanted to make sense of the mystery phenomenon, period.

Learn it, learn how to perform it. How is that for starters.

So hopefully that comes across in the positive spirit it was intended. Unfortunately I cannot control the few howler monkeys in the forum who enjoy the bickering and distortion of positions.

In the previous sentence you said you have no hidden agenda and don't hate anybody. Then you follow it up with a description of a "FEW HOWLER MONKEYS". THAT SHOULD BE A BANNABLE OFFENSE.

But in the jungle where HOWLER MONKEYS exist, they have an acquired sense of impending danger when a snake in the grass comes slithering through ready to strike with all of it's harmful venom. They can recognize it immediately.


But in the fog of all the back and forth I wanted to restate things for you specifically so you know I wish you well with the book release. I'm still "dubious" of the whole explanation, but I am willing to reserve judgment.

Regards,
Dubious Dan

Sugar coating at the beginning and end along with "I'll wait until the book release" only to have a bunch more posts today and everyday between now and then.
 
Now you're just being an a-hole, Stan. I thought we could have a reasonable understanding, but I can see that is too much to ask. Unfortunate.

If you want to know what being an a-hole is or looks like, look in the mirror and do a search on AZ for POSTS BY DAN WHITE.
 
oh, Stan felt this and Stan felt that, lol. Heat of the moment. Are you kidding me?!

How about the rest of us? Do we not feel the same when attacked?! Are the rules here not universal?! "If you pri*ck us, do we not bleed?" WS

But leave it to you to be apologist in chief for Stan's repeated foulness.

If "regret" is the excuse, it is a poor one.

Lou Figueroa

You want to keep referring to posts about Stan? You buried yourself and credibility many times over by bad mouthing Stan, Jay Helfert, CJ Wiley, Freddie the Beard, Geno, Hal Houle, and many others over the years.

If I start dredging them up and posting what YOU'VE said, it's not going to be a pretty picture. Your butt should have been permanently banned here just like it was over at www.onepocket.org. Admin there couldn't stand you any more and rightfully so. I have no idea how you get away with what you do.
 
My thoughts exactly. I especially find it odd that one guy in particular claims he cleans up all the locals now that he's learned CTE, not by buying any of Stan's DVD's but simply watching the youtube videos, and the same guy started a thread questioning the very thing I was roasted for questioning -- the final alignment to CCB. How can a player be successful using CTE if he doesn't know how to reach the final CCB solution?

And every time I read or hear, "the 15 30 and 45 connect to right angles", I can't help but compare that to something like Abbott and Costello''s "who's on first" bit. But I don't care about any makeshift reasoning. My only question mirrors that of the CTE cheerleader mentioned above -- how do know where the CCB solution is? And I'm good with waiting and paying for the book to get that answer.

Way to go Brian. You've solidified what I've been saying about you as one of the 4 Musketeers along with Lou, Dan White, and denwhit.
Dan and Lou should be giving you another stripe for your uniform and rank.

Although denwhit may get dropped from the recognition. He made a very well thought out mature post and has been a man of his word to stay out of it.
Gotta respect a man for keeping his word. I know Stan will stand by his word and be more than happy to teach him if he has an open mind. If distance is a factor there are others closer to Oregon.

And as far as you go, why don't you just stick to your own system of Poolology instead of something that doesn't concern you or Poolology?
 
Here's what makes no sense regarding Lou Figueroa and Dan White.

Lou now plays TWO pool games and has for years. One Pocket and 14.1. No rotation games or 8-ball.

Dan has a passion for 14.1 and it's his primary game.

A couple of weeks ago the World 14.1 Championship was held and multiple threads were posted in the Main Forum of AZ.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=461359

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=461381

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=461126

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=461232

http://forums.azbilliards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6&order=desc&page=3

http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=459449


There isn't ONE POST in any of those threads made by LOU OR DAN! Why not?

But here they are on the AIMING FORUM every single day badmouthing CTE, STAN, OTHER CTE USERS, and baiting everyone into their negative, venomous characterization of the aiming system, creator, and users.

Anybody have any ideas why or how it's permitted?

PROHIBIT LOU FIGUEROA OR DAN WHITE FROM POSTING IN THE AIMING FORUM.

Watch it turn into a peaceful, quiet environment.
 
I meant every word that I said. I spoke a simple truth to Dan and he responded as he did. That's fine.
Let me clue you in, Lou. I don't mind standing up to Internet bullies such as yourself. You've been hawking my work and posts with your negativity going on ten years now. You know what I don't quite get? Is how in the hell you by with it year after year after year. It's all in the name of your HATE for CTE and your undying efforts to do whatever you can to kill it. Stan Shuffett
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Way to go Brian. You've solidified what I've been saying about you as one of the 4 Musketeers along with Lou, Dan White, and denwhit.
Dan and Lou should be giving you another stripe for your uniform and rank.

Although denwhit may get dropped from the recognition. He made a very well thought out mature post and has been a man of his word to stay out of it.
Gotta respect a man for keeping his word. I know Stan will stand by his word and be more than happy to teach him if he has an open mind. If distance is a factor there are others closer to Oregon.

And as far as you go, why don't you just stick to your own system of Poolology instead of something that doesn't concern you or Poolology?

I laughed so hard at "another stripe for your uniform and rank" that I spit coffee all over my desk!

But honestly I was simply stating true facts. A very out-spoken CTE user has claimed remarkable success in a matter of weeks from only watching Stan's free youtube clips. He has not purchased DVDs or private lessons, and surely won't purchase the book. But that's not my point. My point is that this guy actually started a thread asking how to get the final alignment for CCB. He was not attacked, not belittled, not called a hater. Yet somehow he is having great success with the system, though admitting he has no clue how to get the final CCB "solution", which is my only hang up also. The difference is, when the book comes out I'm going to buy it and he more than likely will not.

Cookie even started a thread about players that keep "wanting the nuts and bolts of cte for free", and I provide a fine example of one of those guys right there in your own camp, and you call ME out. I'm being honest and up front -- I know what the "perceptions" are and how to get them. It's the next part I don't get, and I'm willing to pay the cash for Stan's work in order to hopefully understand what I'm not getting. Will I use it? No. But I have a curious mind and I like learning. I mean, I'm very open minded, but not so much that my brain drops out.
 
I meant every word that I said. I spoke a simple truth to Dan and he responded as he did. That's fine.
Let me clue you in, Lou. I don't mind standing up to Internet bullies such as yourself. You've been hawking my work and posts with your negativity going on ten years now. You know what I don't quite get? Is how in the hell you by with it year after year after year. It's all in the name of your HATE for CTE and your undying efforts to do whatever you can to kill it.

Stan Shuffett


I don't "hate" you or CTE or Pro1.

I just have never seen how it can work as advertised. Do I think you are sincere in your efforts? Yes. Just as I am in mine.

Lou Figueroa
 
My thoughts exactly. I especially find it odd that one guy in particular claims he cleans up all the locals now that he's learned CTE, not by buying any of Stan's DVD's but simply watching the youtube videos, and the same guy started a thread questioning the very thing I was roasted for questioning -- the final alignment to CCB. How can a player be successful using CTE if he doesn't know how to reach the final CCB solution?

And every time I read or hear, "the 15 30 and 45 connect to right angles", I can't help but compare that to something like Abbott and Costello''s "who's on first" bit. But I don't care about any makeshift reasoning. My only question mirrors that of the CTE cheerleader mentioned above -- how do know where the CCB solution is? And I'm good with waiting and paying for the book to get that answer.


The claims are crazy and none of these guys are putting up video of themselves deploying the system. Wonder why.

I too will be happy to buy the book and peruse it.

Lou Figueroa
 
I am wondering what ever happened to Patrick Johnson on this forum? I know he was a source on Dr. Dave's videos so he must have meant something to pool players. I came on here to late to know.
 
I actually tried watching the youtube videos this evening, I couldn't really get into them, frustrating without the CTE Pro 1 DVDs I guess, maybe I will find them on the secondary market and give them a look. I can't see how anyone could get proficient from those (youtube) videos, most notably because Stan himself has said the information was either not correct or incomplete. So that person claiming to have figured it out from the videos must have figured something else out.
I will have to check the book out, seems I have been hearing about it for quite some time...I wonder if anyone on this forum has an approximation of when this book will be finished and ready for purchase. I am interested in the system (CTE) and also in Poolology, will try to pick them up around the same time and compare their usefulness when I get the chance. Guess it is just a matter of waiting on Stan's book.
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The claims are crazy

There you go again with another derogatory slam. You've been doing it since Hal first introduced CTE on RSB 20 years ago.

and none of these guys are putting up video of themselves deploying the system. Wonder why.

Another Lou Figueroa lie. They're all over youtube. Many of us stopped posting them because of this crap. I used CTE on every shot in Colin's Potting Test. Did you want an explanation of what I was seeing and doing on each shot? Too bad.

Wonder why you've never put up a video of yourself attempting CTE and explaining what you were doing. Or one about "SEE THE SHOT" aiming method of yours. Or your PSR which is the ultimate key to pro style play. LMAO Or what you see and are attempting to do with ball position to have the correct angles for a 14.1 rack.
NADA from Lou. NADA.


I too will be happy to buy the book and peruse it.

Lou Figueroa

I too will be more than willing to pay Stan double the money NOT to send it to you when and if an order comes in directly from you.
 
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I am wondering what ever happened to Patrick Johnson on this forum? I know he was a source on Dr. Dave's videos so he must have meant something to pool players. I came on here to late to know.

Dr. Dave and Pat Johnson are the best of friends. PJ got a long, long term ban as a big mouth scathing know it all in NPR. Which also applied to any and all forums or subjects.

If he is allowed back, you better believe he will be immediately jumping into the aiming forum right along side Lou Figueroa and Dan White. Lou and PJ were like Siamese twins on RSB attacking Hal, CTE, and users of CTE. They were the ORIGINALS.
 
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I too will be more than willing to pay Stan double the money NOT to send it to you when and if an order comes in directly from you.

I believe Stan's book will available at bookstores, or should be. So I doubt he'll have the option of preventing any specific purchases.
 
I believe Stan's book will available at bookstores, or should be. So I doubt he'll have the option of preventing any specific purchases.

I guess they'll have to get offa their dead a$$es and spend some money on gas to drive to a bookstore and back.
 
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