Perfect Aim

I've ALWAYS given Dr. Dave plenty of credit for his work and contributions about pool.

You seem to think that Gene has nothing to offer this forum except a sales spiel. I think that it is up to each person to determine the value of what Gene has to say on this forum.

You aren't entitled to ask anything of me. I don't do people's bidding and listen to my own drummer. Right now I want to listen to what Gene has to say and don't appreciate anyone from discouraging him from posting. Maybe if you got over Gene's success, you might be able to find some "useful information" for yourself.

If Mike or Jerry thinks that Gene is over the top with posting about Perfect Aim, they can address that problem with Gene.

For others like yourself who obviously don't see anything of value in Gene's posts, just don't read them..........

Gene is one of AZ Billiards BEST PLAYERS and this forum suffers because of the lack of top players. I would like to see Gene stay here and continue to talk about whatever he chooses to talk about, especially when it is about pool.

I don't care if you or Dr. Dave or anyone else thinks his postings lack valuable information or not. Some of us enjoy Gene's posts and we hope that he continues posting.

I especially value top players' presence on this forum and am willing to accept them with their professional talent, idiosycracies and any other baggage they might carry to the forum as long as they obey the forum rules. I don't care if they come on the forum to sell their products, obtain sponsors, promote themselves or simply talk about their perspectives no matter how eccentric they might appear to you or anyone else.

So Brian, just so you know, I am not trying to insult you, I'm just sharing my point of view when it comes to top players on this forum.

Thanks,

JoeyA

joeya i just want to clarify here. its not that i dont think gene has nothing a value to add to this forum. my point is that he has chosen NOT to add anything of value. i appreciate you comment about "i dont have the right to ask anything of you" and "you dont to anyones bidding" as being a clever way not to admit that you know i am right-the vast majority of gene's posts are just sales pitches and add nothing of value to this forum. truthfully such a response is beneath someone who wants to be view (and i believe views himeself) as the forums elder statesman. this is still a free country and just like gene can fill up bandwidth with his schtick i can ask you all the questions i want. your response or lack there of will of course be telling.

i value pros participating and contributing to this forum as well but their "pro" status does not mean that should get a free pass. i'd love to hear gene (or any other pro) truely contribute to this forum and mean no disrespect to him and do not besmearch his pool skills, but isnt enough enough?

brian
 
I especially value top players' presence on this forum and am willing to accept them with their professional talent, idiosycracies and any other baggage they might carry to the forum as long as they obey the forum rules. I don't care if they come on the forum to sell their products, obtain sponsors, promote themselves or simply talk about their perspectives no matter how eccentric they might appear to you or anyone else.

I couldn't disagree more. Someone's value should be measured by how much they contribute, and not by how many balls they can pocket. I just don't care how good anyone plays. The game (and this forum) are about having fun, and someone who possesses more skill at the game does not necessarily have more fun at it ...nor does it imply that they have more to offer us here in the forum.

Now I'm not a forum moderator, so it's not my place to say what should and should not be allowed here. However I must admit that I'm quite sick of reading the same 2 posts over and over again. Thankfully I have the option to simply not read them, and that's what I have and will continue to do.

I know you don't agree Joey, and I know you don't care what I think. I accept that. I just wanted to share my opinion for those who do care. It's nothing personal. :)
 
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I spent nearly 30 minutes on the phone with Geno last night. He is a super guy and I have gained a lot from his information.

It seems those that are bashing the threads concerning Perfect Aim are the ones that have not tried it or don't have any desire to try something new. That's fine, maybe it's not for you and I can only speak for myself, my game has been forever changed thanks to Geno.

Thanks for your help Geno. I have found great value and consider you to be one of the top contributors to the AZ forum, along with JoeyA, Dr. Dave and a few others. If you have not tried it, why knock it? I just don't get it.

Peace, Joe

your assumption here is that i have not tried perfect aim. you know what they say about assuming things...

i am not dis'ing gene's product, just his methods. while you found him helpful on the phone and a great guy and i am not saying that he is not a top notch instructor, player, or human being, but cant he be a forum contributor without every post basically being a sales pitch?

this thread wasnt started as an opportunity for gene to sell perfect aim (or for joeya to defend him) but he had not trouble making it so. just stop selling ALL the time. is that really too much to ask?

brian
 
I think you've made it clear that your comment about useful information wasn't directed at Gene. If that's the case, all is good in the Main Forum. I just read that comment in a different way. It's funny how some comments can be so easily misconstrued isn't it.
Thank you. I'm glad things are "all good in the Main Forum" now. :grin:

As to getting together with you during the holidays, I have it marked on my calendar and am looking forward to meeting you.
I look forward to meeting you also. I'll probably play some pool with my nephew Ryan B. (you probably know him) while I'm there. We usually play at Buffalo's, so it should be easy to hook up.

Just remember to bring some of your "Pool Secrets" with you that will help me with my pool game. :grin:
I'll bring you a copy of Disc I of the "Video Encyclopedia of Pool Shots." If you don't learn something useful from the DVD, I promise to buy you dinner one night while I'm in New Orleans (a nice dinner, too). In fact, if you PM or e-mail me your mailing address, I'll send you a copy before I come out so you can check it out ahead of time (so you can take me up on my dinner offer if necessary). :cool:

Regards,
Dave
 
message from ziggy from sheboygan

for anyone who has trouble dealing with perfect aim i suggest using it as a preshot routine additive. line up your eyes just like u would line up your body and stance. once set up aim normally, it should feel more comfortable.
 
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I'll bring you a copy of Disc I of the "Video Encyclopedia of Pool Shots." If you don't learn something useful from the DVD, I promise to buy you dinner one night while I'm in New Orleans (a nice dinner, too). In fact, if you PM or e-mail me your mailing address, I'll send you a copy before I come out so you can check it out ahead of time (so you can take me up on my dinner offer if necessary). :cool:

Regards,
Dave

I've got a better idea.

You guys get together, share notes and DVDs and war stories, and go have a nice dinner (Joey just MIGHT know a decent place) and send me the bill.
 
I do not really care one way or the other. Gene is selling a product that evidently, people want. Would I be doing the same thing if I had something people wanted to buy, you bet. Each time you post, Mika's add comes up, is that not kind of the same thing. And again, it does not bother me, I enjoy watching the clips.
 
I've got a better idea.

You guys get together, share notes and DVDs and war stories, and go have a nice dinner (Joey just MIGHT know a decent place) and send me the bill.
Mike,

That's a wonderful idea! :grin:
I'm sure Joey will also be agreeable to taking you up on this offer.

Although, I know a few places in New Orleans also. I grew up and spent the first 21 years of my life there, and my entire extended family still lives there. I also worked in several restaurants during high school and college, and my great-great-grandfather is Antoine Alciatore. Have you ever heard of Antoine's Restaurant? It's a very nice place right in the middle of the French Quarter. You just might get a bill from there. Don't be too surprised when you see the "damage" on the bill. :cool:

Regards,
Dave

PS: After you watch the DVD I sent you, please PM or e-mail me to let me know what you think.
 
Perfect Aiming

Hello Everyone!
I'm Ken from san antonio, Tx. I'm currently a BCA instructor. I just want to comment on Gene perfect aiming DVD. In no way am I promoting Gene in anyway. But as a pool instructor it is my obligation to review current material in pool instructions in order to provide my students with the most current information. I have purchased and reviewed Perfect aiming DVD. The DVD will not teach you about basics, but instead covers body position alignment, aiming of basic shots and provided great insight on aiming checks on the objectball and cueball from certain positions. If your level is intermediate to PRO I think it will be worth your money to watch and learn. His aiming principle is something that pro's have being using for years. I know of a mulitiple world champion that has being using this type of aiming for years. I read these forums sometimes. I noticed that their is alot of disagreement going on. We wonder why players in other countries play so well, It's simple they believe in cohesion. Disagreement is good but not disrepect. Go USA.
 
I sure did, also I own some for years, people bought it because they saw what it did with their own eyes, and how it worked




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BUT, did they use one eye or two? How could they really SEE it without perfect aim? :grin:


Just trying to have some fun. Lighten up everyone!



Jw
 
BUT, did they use one eye or two? How could they really SEE it without perfect aim? :grin:


Just trying to have some fun. Lighten up everyone!



Jw

While we're lightened up a bit, has anybody read "Answers to a Pool Player's Prayers," by Richard Kranicki? It's got 100pages, mostly on aiming, on detailed analysis of head alignment issues, on "pure eye aim," (like a rifle) aiming, "nose centered alignment" (equal eyes), dominant eye aim (where one eye plays a larger but not exclusive role in the aiming), eye switching, peripheral vision, and on and on and on--100 pages... really...

I've read that. I've discussed this stuff with Gene A. for about half an hour when he was in Fargo recently. I've done my own tests on what good players actually do on straight shots, on thin cuts.

I've read a bunch about aiming and eye dominance.

Bottom line?

I'm just a little confused on the issue...
 
While we're lightened up a bit, has anybody read "Answers to a Pool Player's Prayers," by Richard Kranicki? It's got 100pages, mostly on aiming, on detailed analysis of head alignment issues, on "pure eye aim," (like a rifle) aiming, "nose centered alignment" (equal eyes), dominant eye aim (where one eye plays a larger but not exclusive role in the aiming), eye switching, peripheral vision, and on and on and on--100 pages... really...

I've read that. I've discussed this stuff with Gene A. for about half an hour when he was in Fargo recently. I've done my own tests on what good players actually do on straight shots, on thin cuts.

I've read a bunch about aiming and eye dominance.

Bottom line?

I'm just a little confused on the issue...

Well, thanks so much for clearing that up for me! Clear as mud.
 
While we're lightened up a bit, has anybody read "Answers to a Pool Player's Prayers," by Richard Kranicki? It's got 100pages, mostly on aiming, on detailed analysis of head alignment issues, on "pure eye aim," (like a rifle) aiming, "nose centered alignment" (equal eyes), dominant eye aim (where one eye plays a larger but not exclusive role in the aiming), eye switching, peripheral vision, and on and on and on--100 pages... really...

I've read that. I've discussed this stuff with Gene A. for about half an hour when he was in Fargo recently. I've done my own tests on what good players actually do on straight shots, on thin cuts.

I've read a bunch about aiming and eye dominance.

Bottom line?

I'm just a little confused on the issue...


I thought that book was a very good analysis of the visual problems encountered in pool. However, the description of the problems is better than the solutions offered. The book was one chapter short in this regard. Nonetheless, I find his treatment of the problem to be far more lucid than what has been presented in this forum.

Here is my extrapolation of the principles he presents, to the possible real world solutions:


Options:

1. Shoot with one eye and have the pupil of this eye directly over the cue and looking right down the cue. This eliminates the problems of binocular vision. I do this. I like it. However, I am cross dominant, shifting dominant, and wear glasses. Now I get an honest image everytime.

2. If you are cross dominant, shoot like Ralf. Not only Ralf, but many other top players. Cock your head (rotation around gravity's vertical axis) so that your non-dominant eye is looking away from the shot, and not providing any interfering imagery regarding the shot alignment. Your dominant eye looks down the cue, and your head is perfectly vertical (this is very important). If you close your non-dominant eye, your perception of the shot will not change, yet you have reasonable preservation of peripheral vision. Watch Ralf, look at pictures of Ralf. He is the poster-boy for this type of eye alignment. I think Kranicki really nailed this as the best solution for cross-dominance.

3. If you are shooting with both eyes open, realize that your binocular vision may play havoc with where you perceive the target. The relative image contribution of each eye depends on target distance. Therefore, your eye position must change with target distance for your fused image to approach consistency. Learning to do this is largely the result of experience.

I liked his book a lot. It needed better editing, clearer diagrams, and an additional chapter on "Which method is best for me". However, I did not detect any scientific blunders, and in my opinion Kranicki should gets props for accurately stating the visual problems in pool. Fairly priced as well.
 
Good summary. I also read Kranicki's book recently, thanks to your recommendation. It is certainly a unique book, and it made me think more about sighting than I had before. I agree with you that the book doesn't offer a "silver bullet" approach or solution, but it does give you a lot to think about and try.

Regards,
Dave

PS: Thanks again for the recommendation.
I thought that book was a very good analysis of the visual problems encountered in pool. However, the description of the problems is better than the solutions offered. The book was one chapter short in this regard. Nonetheless, I find his treatment of the problem to be far more lucid than what has been presented in this forum.

Here is my extrapolation of the principles he presents, to the possible real world solutions:


Options:

1. Shoot with one eye and have the pupil of this eye directly over the cue and looking right down the cue. This eliminates the problems of binocular vision. I do this. I like it. However, I am cross dominant, shifting dominant, and wear glasses. Now I get an honest image everytime.

2. If you are cross dominant, shoot like Ralf. Not only Ralf, but many other top players. Cock your head (rotation around gravity's vertical axis) so that your non-dominant eye is looking away from the shot, and not providing any interfering imagery regarding the shot alignment. Your dominant eye looks down the cue, and your head is perfectly vertical (this is very important). If you close your non-dominant eye, your perception of the shot will not change, yet you have reasonable preservation of peripheral vision. Watch Ralf, look at pictures of Ralf. He is the poster-boy for this type of eye alignment. I think Kranicki really nailed this as the best solution for cross-dominance.

3. If you are shooting with both eyes open, realize that your binocular vision may play havoc with where you perceive the target. The relative image contribution of each eye depends on target distance. Therefore, your eye position must change with target distance for your fused image to approach consistency. Learning to do this is largely the result of experience.

I liked his book a lot. It needed better editing, clearer diagrams, and an additional chapter on "Which method is best for me". However, I did not detect any scientific blunders, and in my opinion Kranicki should gets props for accurately stating the visual problems in pool. Fairly priced as well.
 
after all this...

id buy Genomachino's Dvd for $80 if....




he gave me a brief description of of whats in every chapter of the DVD, an overview of what the entire DVD is supposed to accomplish for the player that watches it, and how one might progress, or ways you can look too progress after watching the dvd

and (heres the kicker) instead of signing his posts off:
"Have a great day....Geno"
you now sign off
"Hugs......GenoMachino"

because after i spend $80 on a DVD i might need a hug, and wont really care who its from.
 
I couldn't disagree more. Someone's value should be measured by how much they contribute, and not by how many balls they can pocket. I just don't care how good anyone plays. The game (and this forum) are about having fun, and someone who possesses more skill at the game does not necessarily have more fun at it ...nor does it imply that they have more to offer us here in the forum.

Now I'm not a forum moderator, so it's not my place to say what should and should not be allowed here. However I must admit that I'm quite sick of reading the same 2 posts over and over again. Thankfully I have the option to simply not read them, and that's what I have and will continue to do.

I know you don't agree Joey, and I know you don't care what I think. I accept that. I just wanted to share my opinion for those who do care. It's nothing personal. :)

You're welcome to disagree any time Nathan. I don't take your post personally and you haven't offended me.

Personally, I don't think HOW MUCH A PERSON POSTS has anything to do with how valuable of a poster they are.

I see that your priorities are not even similar to mine. I care a great deal how well somone plays.

I come to this forum not only to fraternize with my AZBilliards members but also to learn and I learn a great deal from people who play well. So since the forum is growing daily and new members are being added all of the time, most of the time they are people who are just getting started in pool and are also looking to learn.

The presence of better players stimulates interest on the pool community's part. It's great to see Tiger Woods swinging that club even if his wife swings a meaner one. (I take the good with the bad as long as there is some good.)

Some people add little pool knowledge to the forum and only use the forum to hawk their products and services. That irks me too but Gene has offered FAR MORE HELP TO members of this forum than anyone gives him credit for. I would venture to say that Gene has provided lots of quality information that has absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH PERFECT AIM.

Good players don't always offer valuable pieces of information that pertain to pool but I am willing to accept whatever information that I glean from their posts.

I also like the fact that other people IN THIS FORUM get the benefit of the top players' experience and knowledge.

JoeyA
 
You're welcome to disagree any time Nathan. I don't take your post personally and you haven't offended me.

Personally, I don't think HOW MUCH A PERSON POSTS has anything to do with how valuable of a poster they are.

I see that your priorities are not even similar to mine. I care a great deal how well somone plays.

I come to this forum not only to fraternize with my AZBilliards members but also to learn and I learn a great deal from people who play well. So since the forum is growing daily and new members are being added all of the time, most of the time they are people who are just getting started in pool and are also looking to learn.

The presence of better players stimulates interest on the pool community's part. It's great to see Tiger Woods swinging that club even if his wife swings a meaner one. (I take the good with the bad as long as there is some good.)

Some people add little pool knowledge to the forum and only use the forum to hawk their products and services. That irks me too but Gene has offered FAR MORE HELP TO members of this forum than anyone gives him credit for. I would venture to say that Gene has provided lots of quality information that has absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH PERFECT AIM.

Good players don't always offer valuable pieces of information that pertain to pool but I am willing to accept whatever information that I glean from their posts.

I also like the fact that other people IN THIS FORUM get the benefit of the top players' experience and knowledge.

JoeyA

ditto..... well said
 
joeya i just want to clarify here. its not that i dont think gene has nothing a value to add to this forum. my point is that he has chosen NOT to add anything of value. i appreciate you comment about "i dont have the right to ask anything of you" and "you dont to anyones bidding" as being a clever way not to admit that you know i am right-the vast majority of gene's posts are just sales pitches and add nothing of value to this forum. truthfully such a response is beneath someone who wants to be view (and i believe views himeself) as the forums elder statesman. this is still a free country and just like gene can fill up bandwidth with his schtick i can ask you all the questions i want. your response or lack there of will of course be telling.

i value pros participating and contributing to this forum as well but their "pro" status does not mean that should get a free pass. i'd love to hear gene (or any other pro) truely contribute to this forum and mean no disrespect to him and do not besmearch his pool skills, but isnt enough enough?

brian

brian,
I think you are just flat out wrong. I think Gene has contributed valuable information to forum members which has absolutely nothing to do with Perfect Aim.

I think you may be a little jealous of Gene or maybe you simply like to argue.

Personally, I don't like to argue or get into heated discussions. It's just not my style.

However you have besmirched Gene's good name by suggesting that he offers nothing of value to the forum and I think you owe him an apology.

Ask all the questions you like but don't expect answers from me. I just don't have to time for arguing with you or anyone else.

JoeyA
 
right now

I am convinced that someones palm is getting greased to keep this
thread alive .You can do alot with a greasy palm ,may help with a slip
stroke .Think I will do a DVD about "Slip Stroke" and see if I can keep
beating it to death like this thread .That just sounds bad "slip stroke"
"beating it to death". This world of Shameless Self Promotion knows
no bounds. :rolleyes:
Let me make this CLEARER for all to see , I liked the DVD I got from
GENE but I get ever tired of seeing the same threads posted .No one
I know is getting greased ,it's just iritating to open the same news paper
everyday.
 
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your assumption here is that i have not tried perfect aim. you know what they say about assuming things...

i am not dis'ing gene's product, just his methods. while you found him helpful on the phone and a great guy and i am not saying that he is not a top notch instructor, player, or human being, but cant he be a forum contributor without every post basically being a sales pitch?

this thread wasnt started as an opportunity for gene to sell perfect aim (or for joeya to defend him) but he had not trouble making it so. just stop selling ALL the time. is that really too much to ask?

brian

Well Brian, Have you actually tried Perfect Aim?? I did not read Mojos post as assuming anything about you specifically.. Looks like your are the ASSuming one here!
 
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