perhaps silly question about joint tightness

semoquer

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I got into a disagreement with a buddy regarding cue tightness when screwing together. I like to screw it till it stops turning and then maybe add a little twist. He on the other hand, likes to reallyyyy twist it tight. Is one method more correct? And I would also think his method can damage the cue.. what do you guys think?
 

Autist

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It might damage the joint.

I see no need to twist it as hard as you can, just make it tight, if it doesn't move, it's fine.
 

thubosky

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Mike Lambros told me to tighten his cue as tight as I could tighten it. Because I asked him the same question because with his ultra joint it's a really snug fit and the last couple twists you really have to put some effort into it.
 

GoldCrown

Pool players have more balls
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Tighten it hard. If it breaks it was meant to be replaced. Just kidding.

Tighten it snug but don't over tighten it. It'll only take so much pressure. I check mine every once in while while playing.
 

Cornerman

Cue Author...Sometimes
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Mike Lambros told me to tighten his cue as tight as I could tighten it.

Warning Warning Warning!!!!!

Of all the joints the Ultra Joint I and Ultra Joint II are the only ones that I would feel comfortable doing this with due to its design. I wouldn't feel comfortable doing this with any other cue.

Freddie <~~~ one man's not-so-humble opinion
 
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cuesblues

cue accumulator
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The tightness requirement is different from cue to cue.
Most cues can take an amazing amount of torsional wind-up, but you still have to snug it up carefully with common sense.
I've seen stripped shaft threads, and shafts that had to be re-tapped with either a plastic sleeve or a filler.
 

poolguy4u

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Screw it until it stops. Have a girl twist it one more time. Should be good then. I have girls tighten mine whenever possible.:p

If you use a torque wrench, 5 foot pounds is plenty.:grin:
 

bquiggle

Registered
Do you have any pictures of a cue torque wrench?.........
can't find any in the snap-on catalog ....chuckles
 

scttybee

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while most poolrooms dont have a vise there are usually a few people there to help...do this for your opponent only!
have someone hold the butt with 2 hands as tight as possible.start the shaft as delicate as possible,once it is bottomed out get vise grips(not channel locks as previously mentioned)and grab the ferrule(make sure it is half on the tip)crank down till the cracking sound comes(thats the sameclick as a torque wrench)then go 1/4 turn more...this works exceptionally well on the old stuff,bushkas,botis ginas,if you get your hands on a rambow youll need 2 people to hold thebutt.
happy screwing!
 

Chopdoc

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Do you have any pictures of a cue torque wrench?.........
can't find any in the snap-on catalog ....chuckles


Apply your torque wrench to a strap wrench.


No cue case should be without this set-up. :thumbup:


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david(tx)

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while most poolrooms dont have a vise there are usually a few people there to help...do this for your opponent only!
have someone hold the butt with 2 hands as tight as possible.start the shaft as delicate as possible,once it is bottomed out get vise grips(not channel locks as previously mentioned)and grab the ferrule(make sure it is half on the tip)crank down till the cracking sound comes(thats the sameclick as a torque wrench)then go 1/4 turn more...this works exceptionally well on the old stuff,bushkas,botis ginas,if you get your hands on a rambow youll need 2 people to hold thebutt.
happy screwing!

:lol::lol::lol::lol:
 

david(tx)

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I got into a disagreement with a buddy regarding cue tightness when screwing together. I like to screw it till it stops turning and then maybe add a little twist. He on the other hand, likes to reallyyyy twist it tight. Is one method more correct? And I would also think his method can damage the cue.. what do you guys think?

To bad cue makers don't have torque spec. like automobile manufacturers . My Dad always told me to hand thread new spark plugs , but he he didn't tell me exactly how tight to tighten a oil filter when you didn't have a filter wrench , it was a problem when i put a new filter on till experience taught me better. Lug nuts same problem , eventually used a torque wrench.If you have a full thread pin i would just tighten it snug , i've never had a cue with a quick release pin , so your on your own:smile:.
 

dchan320

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I had a Mike Bender a bought in the mid 90s, simple 5 point no veneers or inlays, just his standard ring track on the butt, above/below the wrap, joint and shaft. Loved the craftsmanship as the tracks lined up perfectly when looking down the cue.

One day, probably due to my cranking up the tightness, the joint pin started to loosen up. Got it fixed (not by Mike), but the line up of ring trim afterwards wasn't there at the shaft. Still had a solid hit, but my friends constantly bugged me when I missed shots that it was because the rings were off.

Snug enough to where a center ball hit sounds normal is my humble opinion.
 

chefjeff

If not now...
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Tighten it good and tight, place a dab o super glue, tighten on a vice as tight as you can get it, then put in a couple of sheet metal screws and hammer them down so you don't nick your fingers.:speechless:...Oh, and then buy a longer case.;)

A uni-lock tightens better when it is slightly lubricated. Hand tighten then give it one more snugging. You can whack the side of the cue with your hand and feel if there is any vibration from being too loose. Check it again after a hard draw shot.

Jeff Livingston
 

Donny Lutz

Ferrule Cat
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Yes, but...

Screw it until it stops. Have a girl twist it one more time. Should be good then. I have girls tighten mine whenever possible.:p

If you use a torque wrench, 5 foot pounds is plenty.:grin:

Yeah, but what about the cue?
 

m79a

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I have found in my previous my previous experiences if you roll them to tight they don't hit as well, burning a little longer might be the only advantage to this.
 

Maniac

2manyQ's
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Get a couple of oil filter wrenches with the rubber belts. Put one on the shaft and one on the butt, near the joint. Get a couple of three-foot long cheater pipes and a couple of B-I-I-I-I-G Samoans to work this setup and you should be able to get your cue screwed together (or.....just SCREWED)!!!.

Don't try this method with a Uni-Loc joint though because a 4 year-old girl can strip one of those out!!!

Maniac
 

Shaft

Hooked and Improving
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Some pin styles seem more susceptable to loosening than others. Higher thread counts will avoid this, but take longer to screw in. A higher thread count gives the torsion force more mechanical advantage in establishing compression force (and therefore, friction to resist loosening) at the joint faces.

The pin is there simply to maintain concentricity and face to face contact at the joint. The pin remains in tension to ensure the faces remain in compression.

Therefore, tight enough to not unscrew, but not super tight. That should be enough and you won't risk damaging your cue.
 
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