Philippine Open

I predict a Filipino will win. Of course, here in the US, it's a litle tougher picking the nationality of the winner in major pool events, as we don't ever restrict fields based on nationality. America is called the land of opportunity for many reasons --- perhaps this is one of them.
 
Here's something to consider: per capita there are more people in the Phillipines who know who Efren Reyes is than there are here who know who Earl Strickland is. Efren is a star on par with Michael Jordan and is treated like a celebrity. Here, you are LUCKY if an APA player has even heard of Strickland or any other male pro for that matter.

It is kind of low to begrudge a country for having a national championship restricted to citizens of that country. Last I heard we don't open our Olympic trials to citizens of other countries.

The United States ought to have a true national championship in pool. We can't because pool is barely considered a sport and the organizations that do exist are not even blips on the public conciousness.

At an exhibition the other night with one of the greatest players to ever touch a cue the regular players in the room wouldn't even stop the games they play every night with the same people to come and watch pool perfection. These are avid players so why in the world would you think that pool has a chance in the United States. I don't see much "opportunity" here to advance the sport of pool. The rest of the world definitely has a leg up over the USA when it comes to treating the game and it's players with respect and recognition.

John
 
onepocketchump said:
The United States ought to have a true national championship in pool. We can't because pool is barely considered a sport and the organizations that do exist are not even blips on the public conciousness.

I don't begrudge the Phillipines, but I do celebrate the sports philosophy of my own coutnry when it comes to individual professional sports. With due respect, the image of pool and size of its place in the public consciousness have nothing to do with it. Do you think golf or tennis are in the public consciousness? The US Open Golf event is open to people of all nationalities, not just Americans. Same is true of the US Open tennis. In America, denying people opportunities to compete in individual professional sports on the basis of nationality is unheard of.

Finally, an international governing body imposes nationality-based selection criteria on all countries for the Olympics, hence nothing can be read into how we choose our Olympic team.

The Phillipines should be extremely proud of its rich pool-playing heritage and the general excellence of its professional players, but I live in the land of opportunity, and I'm darn proud of it.
 
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Personally I think this is a no brainer, it shouldn't be called the Phillipine "Open" if it's restricted to only filipino's. However I think all counries in the world (pool playing at least) should have BOTH a national championships and a national open event. I think I recall somewhere that Canada has either both or its national is restricted to just canadians. The Australian 9ball champs is restricted to just residents I beleive as the pick their team etc on the basis of the results (which is why I think a restricted national champs is also important). Locally I suspect that there is a hint of discontent with the system. It seems that there is a class system in operation here with reyes and bustamante being 1st class and everyone else being 2nd or 3rd (Luat etc). Below that is everyone else and it seems a little hard for new young players to make it up the ranks and play the top players. One young kid I have played a fair bit has some talent but seemed frustrated at the lack of opportunity and competitions locally - maybe that's why everyone plays for cash all the time?

Shame though as I would have somehow found a reason to stay a little longer if it was truly "open", even though it might have ended in my divorce lol!

I have yet to find a taxi driver (or anyone for that matter) that doesn't know who Efren or Bata Reyes is, even if I found it very hard t find him!

Prob along with the boxer, manny bakow (sp?) are prob the two most famous sportsman here. And of course even the boxer plays high stakes 9 ball and has lost quite a lot of cash to reyes even with ridiculous spots I hear! I have just come back from some very remote villages where there was no phone signal, little electricity and even less meat (choice was veg rice or veg noodles everywhere!) and suprise suprise I saw atleast two "pool halls" with 3 9ft tables in and young kids smashing the balls around aka reyes - wonderful to see.
 
TheOne said:
Personally I think this is a no brainer, it shouldn't be called the Phillipine "Open" if it's restricted to only filipino's.

Im a Filipino but i definitely agree with you with this one. The word "Open"
should not be used here, since in many other sports like golf, tennis etc.
means different nationalities could enter.

TheOne said:
Locally I suspect that there is a hint of discontent with the system. It seems that there is a class system in operation here with reyes and bustamante being 1st class and everyone else being 2nd or 3rd (Luat etc).

Actually there is 2 Competition in television here in the Philippines,
Philippine 9-Ball which is sponsored by Solar Sports and there is no
ranking system. So everyone could compete and new talent could show
up. And the it goes for almost a year. It will tour to different part of
country to harvest new talent. So that could answer for that. Aside
from the 1 Million Peso price they will sponsor whoever will win to compete
international events like the World Pool Championship which was held
in Taipei last year. And The Corporate Billiard Championship wherein
different Pool players could compete as a Team as sponsored by different
companies (hence Corporate) here in the Philippines. Actually its being
shown every sunday on NBN channel, either evening or aftenoond (not sure with the time though). Gotta see it man!

TheOne said:
Prob along with the boxer, manny bakow (sp?) are prob the two most famous sportsman here.

It's Manny Pacquiao, The One :D . And he plays a lot of money games,
even against Efren.

TheOne said:
I have just come back from some very remote villages where there was no phone signal, little electricity and even less meat (choice was veg rice or veg noodles everywhere!) and suprise suprise I saw atleast two "pool halls" with 3 9ft tables in and young kids smashing the balls around aka reyes - wonderful to see.

Welcome to the Philippines The One! :D
 
Thanks for putting me straight. :)

I would also like to add that the Phillipines has been one of the friendliest countries I have ever been to. I have probably exchanged phone numbers with about 20 people in under two weeks and nearly everyone speaks excellent English.
 
TheOne said:
Thanks for putting me straight. :)

I would also like to add that the Phillipines has been one of the friendliest countries I have ever been to. I have probably exchanged phone numbers with about 20 people in under two weeks and nearly everyone speaks excellent English.

Thanks for the compliment!
Enjoy ur stay (And dont forget to come back :D ).
Hope you can come here in Cebu.
You could ask anybody what Cebu is. :cool:

But anyway i know ur going (back?) to Bangkok.

God bless.
 
Jerry Forsyth said:
The BCA Open is not 'open' either. It is an invitational.

-Jerry

Yes, it has often been noted on the forum that it should really be called something else. It usually offers the best international field from top to bottom of any event on the American pool calendar, but its a fixed 64 player event and is, therefore, not an open.
 
sjm said:
Yes, it has often been noted on the forum that it should really be called something else. It usually offers the best international field from top to bottom of any event on the American pool calendar, but its a fixed 64 player event and is, therefore, not an open.

SJM, I agree with your previous posts in this thread, and yes, indeed, the United States of America is the land of opportunity.

Even the BCA Open a/k/a Billiard Congress of AMERICA Open restricts half of its field and reserves 32 out of 64 slots to our foreign comrades; the other half, the highest-ranked UPA players. It is my understanding that the BCA has four qualifiers every year held in the United States. Last year, Frankie Hernandez, who was NOT a UPA member and did NOT win a qualifier, did compete in the BCA Open. When I called up the BCA, I was told that they do not handle the selection for this tournament, that this is subcontracted out to a tournament organizer.

I think it stinks big time that the UPA uses this tournament, one out of six on the UPA tour, for the 32 UPA competitors to receiving ranking points, when the rest of its membership is not afforded the SAME opportunity to compete and, thus, receive ranking points, the same ranking points which are currently used as qualification criteria for high-profile events.

The UPA allows players of all caliber and from all nationalities to become a member by paying a mere $100 in yearly dues. However, UPA Touring Pro Jose Parica, who pays taxes in the United States, cannot receive benefit from being ranked high on the UPA ranking system when it comes to lucrative tournaments such as the WPC, but foreign-born players who marry an American do receive benefit from the UPA's ranking system. It's kind of a Catch 22 if you're a foreign UPA touring pro like Jose.

The United States Open held in September every year opens it doors to pool players around the world. It is definitely an OPEN tournament, but there are no restrictions on citizenship or country of origin.

Thorsten Hohmann recently moved from Germany to Florida. The Europeans are also left out of the loop when it comes to the restricted Asian tours, but here in the land of opportunity, an aspiring foreign-born player can compete and there are more events available for them.

Everybody celebrated Ga Young Kim's recent big win on the WPBA as she defeated Karen Corr. The opportunities for WOMEN players in general are the BEST in the world here in the United States, and whether you're an Irish player or Korean, we welcome topnotch competition.

Several years ago, the Philippino players attended many events here in the States, but now with the restricted Asian tours, I do not see them here very often anymore, sad to say. Efren, Bustie, Luat, Ronnie Alcano, and quite a few Philippino players won the hearts of a lot of pool fans on this side of the pond. They are sorely missed.

The tournament that CebuanoNiNoy mentioned in his post, February 21-27, 2005, is occurring on the same dates as the second stop of the $20,000-added Hilton-sponsored NAOT in Pittsburgh (February 19th through 24th).

The U.S. Open seems to be one tournament that NOBODY wants to miss. Players come from around the world. At the last Open, I was chatting with Francisco Bustamante, and he was showing me a pair of new name-brand leather running shoes that he purchased at a discount warehouse nearby, stating how cheap and comfortable they were. He bought two pairs of them. He said he had a hard time finding good bargains on name-brand clothing in the Philippines. However, at the U.S. Open last year, he went on a little shopping spree nearby and bought a Ralph Lauren Polo shirt in Virginia for less than 20 bucks on sale. He was laughing when he showed me the tag inside the collar which stated this designer shirt was: "Made in Philippines." :p

Picture of Bustie and Alex taken last year at the United States Open in Chesapeake Beach.

JAM
 

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JAM said:
The UPA allows players of all caliber and from all nationalities to become a member by paying a mere $100 in yearly dues. However, UPA Touring Pro Jose Parica, who pays taxes in the United States, cannot receive benefit from being ranked high on the UPA ranking system when it comes to lucrative tournaments such as the WPC, but foreign-born players who marry an American do receive benefit from the UPA's ranking system. It's kind of a Catch 22 if you're a foreign UPA touring pro like Jose.

excuse my ignorance here.........but i'm lost on this one. what benifit is he losing, and what is someone who marries an american gaining?

thanks

VAP
 
vapoolplayer said:
excuse my ignorance here.........but i'm lost on this one. what benifit is he losing, and what is someone who marries an american gaining?

Hi, VAP! Jose Parica was one of the highest-ranked players on the UPA ranking system last year. However, because of his citizenship, he did not gain entry into the high-profile World Pool Championship held in Taiwan through his membership AND high ranking with the UPA.

Matchroom Sport, however, not wanting to see a champion player like Jose Parica get left out because of his citizenship, granted him a spot to compete in the WPC. Bravo to them!

A foreign-born UPA touring pro who marries an American does receive benefit from UPA ranking points, unlike Jose Parica; thus, the marriage to an American qualifies the foreign-born UPA touring pro for WPC and other high-profile tournaments.

JAM
 
JAM said:
Hi, VAP! Jose Parica was one of the highest-ranked players on the UPA ranking system last year. However, because of his citizenship, he did not gain entry into the high-profile World Pool Championship held in Taiwan through his membership AND high ranking with the UPA.

Matchroom Sport, however, not wanting to see a champion player like Jose Parica get left out because of his citizenship, granted him a spot to compete in the WPC. Bravo to them!

A foreign-born UPA touring pro who marries an American does receive benefit from UPA ranking points, unlike Jose Parica; thus, the marriage to an American qualifies the foreign-born UPA touring pro for WPC and other high-profile tournaments.

JAM

ok, so lets see if i got this right. because he has a phillipine citizenship, he can't get in through a US organization because of points. but if someone gets married to a US citizen, they get the rights of a US citizen and therefore can get into the wpc through a US organization???

is that how it works?

talk about dumbass politics :rolleyes:
 
It's Manny Pacquiao, The One :D . And he plays a lot of money games,
Here's Manny at last month's UPA event at the Bike.
Manny fights Erik Morales on March 19 on HBO PPV.

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JoeyInCali said:
Here's Manny at last month's UPA event at the Bike.
Manny fights Erik Morales on March 19 on HBO PPV.

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THANKS for the heads-up, JoeyinCali! :)

Out of all the boxers in recent times, Erik Morales has impressed me the most.

I will never forget a match between him and Marco Antonio Barrera some years back, two fierce competitors. It was one of the most hard-fought exhibitions I have ever seen, all the way to the end, non-stop action.

Before the decision was announced at the end of the rounds, the whole crowd stood up and gave both players a very long standing ovation for their excellent performance. Morales is one of THE best Mexican featherweight champions of all times. Oscar de la Hoya may be the name-brand recognition of the Mexican brethren of boxers, but for my viewing pleasure, I really like Erik Morales the best.

I'm not familiar with Manny from the Philippines, but now I'm definitely going to keeping my eye open on this one. I am very much looking forward to this upcoming HBO PPV match in March and will buy it. Manny has got to be one tough cookie to step in the ring with the likes of Erik Morales (IMO)!

JAM
 
JAM said:
THANKS for the heads-up, JoeyinCali! :)

Out of all the boxers in recent times, Erik Morales has impressed me the most.

I will never forget a match between him and Marco Antonio Barrera some years back, two fierce competitors. It was one of the most hard-fought exhibitions I have ever seen, all the way to the end, non-stop action.

Before the decision was announced at the end of the rounds, the whole crowd stood up and gave both players a very long standing ovation for their excellent performance. Morales is one of THE best Mexican featherweight champions of all times. Oscar de la Hoya may be the name-brand recognition of the Mexican brethren of boxers, but for my viewing pleasure, I really like Erik Morales the best.

I'm not familiar with Manny from the Philippines, but now I'm definitely going to keeping my eye open on this one. I am very much looking forward to this upcoming HBO PPV match in March and will buy it. Manny has got to be one tough cookie to step in the ring with the likes of Erik Morales (IMO)!

JAM
Hi Jam.
Manny is one tough cookie. He tko'd Marco Antonio Barrera in 2003.
Manny's a very good pool player as well. He tried to qualify for a pro tournament in the islands. He was ahead 3-0 against Asian Games gold medalist Del Valle in their match but lost.
 
JoeyInCali said:
Here's Manny at last month's UPA event at the Bike.
Manny fights Erik Morales on March 19 on HBO PPV.

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Wow, it's hard to tell which one Manny is in your picture...

LOL! j/k man, I know it's not Efren and it sure as hell ain't the other 3 dudes either. A boxer/pool player, you don't get cooler than that!

-Roger
 
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