Pics of the "Fatboy" Rails and Pockets for TAR 21. Yeah they are a wee bit tight.

JCIN said:
So you have no interest in the match but want to continually re-state your opinion on the conditions its being played under?

Makes sense to me.
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Here's my opinion on the match:

4 DAYS and I CAN'T WAIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for doing this. I can't wait to see it and I'm sure your set up is flawless.

Thanks again

Kevin
 
kvinbrwr said:
Here's my opinion on the match:

4 DAYS and I CAN'T WAIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for doing this. I can't wait to see it and I'm sure your set up is flawless.

Thanks again

Kevin
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Yeah! I'm excited! Not only one of the best match ups ever! But I can't wait to see the new TAR room in action! pun intended. :cool:
 
Apocalypse2012 said:
Yeah! I'm excited! Not only one of the best match ups ever! But I can't wait to see the new TAR room in action! pun intended. :cool:
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Yeah these guys do a great job when they have to move their loads of equipment and set up in someone else's space. I can't wait to see the production quality when they have control. Plus, what a great match.

Kevin
 
There is no contest. Practicing on tight pockets gets you super accurate or super frustrated. BUT if you get super accurate then subsequently PLAYING on anything looser is WAY easier.

In other words a player who practices on 4" pockets has a lot of position play cut off. BUT with the accuracy that they gain and the experience of pushing position to the limit on those tight pockets the world opens up to them on tables with looser pockets.

So for example a player who never practices on tight pockets but who faces a tricky shot to the corner with a lot of inside where he has to cheat the pocket a little is still able to dog it because he is thinking of the difficulty of the overall shot. The guy who practiced similar shots on a tight pocket table sees the shot as easy because he knows EXACTLY how much to cheat the pocket and has the accuracy to shoot the object ball EXACTLY there.

This match is going to rock. Two of the top ten players on the planet have decided to lock horns and they both have decided to do it on about the toughest conditions possible.

What's wrong with that? Leon Kush, you have a bad ass cue there but frankly my friend I never heard of you. You might be really great but I seriously doubt you want to tangle with either of these bad boys. But IF you do then I am sure TAR can put some 5" pockets on the table the day after this match is done and you can jump in the box with either of them. I will donate another $25 to see it. :-)

Frankly I don't NEED to see these guys running racks. I have seen them both do that for years. I want to see how they handle the tight table and what kind of game they have to bring to beat it and each other on it.
 
When does the PPV go on the TAR site for purchase? Johnnyt

****Nevermind. it says it will be up Wed 9/21/11*****
 
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leonkush said:
look up the term "in general" I am not talking about this match mate. Maybe read the entire thread from page 1 so you get a good understanding of the different directions this topic has been heading - not everyone submitting comments is wearing blinkers.

also I am answering queries to my opinion not trying to "continually re-state it" if I reinstate it it is because the the enquirer has not fully understood the main point and caught the post half way through so I am reiterating it. Maybe have a closer read before you comment because you have done the same thing. However, you have also managed to be rude and sarcastic in your response which in my opinion is not called for because this type of anti social behavior simply deters open minded people from wanting to express their opinion - which is what this forum shouldn't be all about.

"Make sense to me ?" sarcasm is the lowest form of wit - maybe look that up as well
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I started the thread. I've been following it since the beginning. So far all I have seen out of you is that you are international pro that no one knows, you find it too difficult to do one of the most important things a pro does which is to adapt to playing conditions and are condescending to boot.

This thread is about a specific event with unique properties different from any tournament. You might as well go into a snooker thread and expand on the plusses and minuses of heated billiard tables "in general". One has nothing to do with the other but since these forums are designed for you to express your opinions you could do that.

Then maybe you could go look up the term douchebag.
 
scrappy said:
i apologize it was a bad comparison, i see the entrance to the pockets are much straighter on the new rails as my table is 40 years old and still has the original rails, here is another picture of the opening at the back of the pockets

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Your pocket opening at the "mouth" (where it's traditionally measured) is about 5 1/2". That's HUGE, by the way.

pj
chgo
 
leonkush said:
I don't want to blow my own trumpet but I am a century break snooker player. In skill 9-ball doesn't compare. My point is having a good idea of what the conditions are that you are going to play in beforehand so you know how to tailor your practice routine and have no surprises regardless of how big or small the pockets are. I have played pro in the past and as a road player over 20 odd countries for many years so I really feel it especially internationally with so many different table conditions used in so called "regulation tournaments". My beef is that I just like to know that the practice that I put in before a big event is going to be worthwhile because usually I put the practice in a different country before travelling to an event. For example, I will practice on regulation pockets in Australia or the UK before going to Indonesia or Hong Kong or California to cut down on expenses such as having to arrive a week early to practice in the country hosting an event.

There is nothing worse than arriving for a competition feeling good only to play on tables with abnormally tight pockets which you haven't had the chance to make adequate preparations. All this does is increase the risk of loss and travel and tournament entries really add up. In these cases it is not always possible to find similar sized pockets in my home country to practice on which is why I am calling for an overall table standardization such as in snooker to allow players to better plan their practice routines.
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What does Snooker have to do with this match and the table that they will be playing on??

As far as Pros needing to know what table they will be playing on in a certain tournament, that's exactly what makes them pros. They are used to playing under varying conditions and tables.

Congrats on being a century break snooker player, I'm sure there are snooker forums for snooker players like you!!
 
JB Cases said:
Frankly I don't NEED to see these guys running racks. I have seen them both do that for years. I want to see how they handle the tight table and what kind of game they have to bring to beat it and each other on it.
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For all the shit I give Glen about his posting style the guy does know what he's doing with a pool table. These pockets play perfect. They take a ball down the rail at speed and are nowhere near the stupid gaffe tight of the table Oscar and John played on.

They will certainly keep the guys honest but they are not the type of over tight pockets that force a player to change his game. Shane's 10 ball break when it is at its most powerful relies on the second ball in the rack going in the side and playing postion on the one in the corner. I dont see these pockets having any effect at all on that.

After playing for a few hours on the rail set the biggest thing is it takes away some of the ability to cheat a pocket or use a lot of english on questionable angles. The pockets are not gaffey in any way and simply force you to be precise in your postion and choice of angles to the next shot.

You will see some packages in the match. There wont be any of the playing safe with three open balls on the table like in the Morra/Oscar match because the pockets simply wouldnt take a ball down the rail with enough speed to get the cue ball around the table. I think its a perfect set up for two of the best in the world. The biggest challenge presented by the pockets will be the fact that they will require a great deal of focus to be maintained over a long period of time.

Gotta hand it to Glenn. He did a great job on these rails.
 
Glen's info might be a bit hard to take but its always spot on, the guy REALLY knows tables, and his work is the best I've seen, bar none.

I for one, love the tight set-up. The top 15 to 20 players in the world play so good that most any match-up between them nowadays look like a coin-toss to me. I like making it tougher without adding an extra foot to the table or taking a few pockets out.

4 DAYS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can't wait.
 
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leonkush said:
sorry i don't understand the point of using tight pockets. you cannot play half of your positional shots such as potting a ball with force down a rail with side and moving the white off of 4 cushions. Consequently the game changes drastically and you end up resorting to playing the table rather than the balls.

and talking about skill is rubbish as most players are not familiar with these types of conditions and simply end up at a disadvantage because they don't usually play with these types of pockets which results in never seeing their true potential. its just a novelty it might as well be a carom table. anyway that's just my beef because i have played weeks upon weeks of competitions with normal pockets and having great results only to waste money going to a venue with tight pockets and lose first round because the tables are not regulation due to some non-player thinking it is more challenging for the better players to have really really tight pockets!!.
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I agree 100%.

It will change how the game is played. You can argue all you want, but this post says it better than I could.

Best to all,

Ken
 
In one sense I agree.
The game will be different with tight pockets.
On the other hand - this is what the players wanted and agreed to.
How can you argue with them?
It was also mentioned that it was Alex who insisted on tight pockets, to slow down Shane's BRK and RO game.
Alex has tendinitis.
It was bothering him on the weekend at Seminole tourney in Florida.
He said it hurt when he breaks, so he was forced to take some off it.
He needs tight pockets to stand any chance.
JMO!

In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Alex has to cancel or postpone.
Who will give 10 to 1 on that?
 
JCIN said:
So you have no interest in the match but want to continually re-state your opinion on the conditions its being played under?

Makes sense to me.
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Hmm..Justin, this might be that 'rocket surgeon' you were talkin'.....:smile:

I've had similar experiences to Leon but I am VERY interested in this match.
I'm glad you got involved with this game and I like the direction you're
taking it.

regards
pt..<..who loves 4.5 inch pockets and fast cloth
 
gordml said:
In one sense I agree.
The game will be different with tight pockets.
On the other hand - this is what the players wanted and agreed to.
How can you argue with them?
It was also mentioned that it was Alex who insisted on tight pockets, to slow down Shane's BRK and RO game.
Alex has tendinitis.
It was bothering him on the weekend at Seminole tourney in Florida.
He said it hurt when he breaks, so he was forced to take some off it.
He needs tight pockets to stand any chance.
JMO!

In fact I wouldn't be surprised if Alex has to cancel or postpone.
Who will give 10 to 1 on that?
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Alex will be here.
 
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