Piloted joint on a sneaky

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Has anyone experienced any problems with piloted wood to wood joints like this? I see them fairly often but am concerned that the butt end may be too weak without a collar and crack or something.

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fullsplicefiend said:
Has anyone experienced any problems with piloted wood to wood joints like this? I see them fairly often but am concerned that the butt end may be too weak without a collar and crack or something.

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I think it depends on the wood used, however, I would not build any cues that way. I would sleeve the inside of the butt with Phenolic for strength, and have the shaft pilot fit into the phenolic. That way you have the best of both worlds, and you have the strength to insure a strong and tight connection.

Just my thoughts
 
manwon said:
I think it depends on the wood used, however, I would not build any cues that way. I would sleeve the inside of the butt with Phenolic for strength, and have the shaft pilot fit into the phenolic. That way you have the best of both worlds, and you have the strength to insure a strong and tight connection.

Just my thoughts
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Then you would have changed the Scruggs hit.
I dunno but that joint has stood the test of time. The faces do get dirty and might make the cue wobble if rolled on the table.
 
JoeyInCali said:
Then you would have changed the Scruggs hit.
I dunno but that joint has stood the test of time. The faces do get dirty and might make the cue wobble if rolled on the table.
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Joey what I said above may have not been clear, I was talking about sleeving the inside of the female side of the piloted area around the pin. This way the shaft pilot fits tighter, and you still have wood to wood at the joint. However, you also have much less chance of the jointed area of the butt cracking or breaking since the phenolic strengthens the entire area and connection. This method will not change the hit at all, and when people think that something can not be improved upon in my opinion they will also stop progessing
 
manwon said:
Joey what I said above may have not been clear, I was talking about sleeving the inside of the female side of the piloted area around the pin. This way the shaft pilot fits tighter, and you still have wood to wood at the joint. However, you also have much less chance of the jointed area of the butt cracking or breaking since the phenolic strengthens the entire area and connection. This method will not change the hit at all, and when people think that something can not be improved upon in my opinion they will also stop progessing
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Repeating again, as has been posted before, Tim Scruggs made exactly
what the OP asked about - a piloted Sneaky - no collar - no sleeve...
NO Problems, from at least 1980 - Bob Frey still does.

Dale
 
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