playability- deep knifed points vs inlays
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fullsplicefiend said:
Apparently it makes it possible to charge 3.7 meelion dollars for your cues and somehow still have people buy them
hahaha
NO...NO....NO.........they are only 2.9 MEELION dollars....thats why we fools buy them
Not because they look better than anything else
Not because they play better
Not because you know what your getting
Not because they keep increasing in value
Not because its the finest of everything in every one
Not because...............................
Just because they are only 2.9 MEELION dollars
Steve
bigskyjake said:
NO...NO....NO.........they are only 2.9 MEELION dollars....thats why we fools buy them
Not because they look better than anything else
Not because they play better
Not because you know what your getting
Not because they keep increasing in value
Not because its the finest of everything in every one
Not because...............................
Just because they are only 2.9 MEELION dollars
Steve
Much better value than $20 crack. :thumbup:tikkler said:
Louis Vitton bags. Now there's value in plastic.
I core everything unless the cue is ordered without a core. I do not use green wood ever. I simply believe it is a better construction method. If a core can help keep an unstable wood straight why not use it even on stable woods? Many cuemakers I have spoken to "behind closed doors" that don't core have said they don't because of the added cost of time, materials and labor. I believe in trying to build everything as good as I possibly can reguardless of cost. No one remembers that a cue cost an extra few bucks but stayed straight but everyone remembers the cue they bought that warped. I have cored maple with maple and I seriously doubt anyone could tell it from a solid maple forearm. I as many others have tried every type of construction I have ever imagined to find what works best for me. Chris.HollyWood said:
Ariel Carmeli cores his cues. Not sure if its all or just some though.
i think you have it backwards.i would say that more spliced or "deep knife" as you call it points are not cored sompared to the number of inlayed pointed cues that are cored.also i don't believe that the inlaid points are more prone to be glued with 5 minute epoxy that spliced points.the choice in epoxy is purely up to the builder,the style does not dictate the choice.
myself i like spliced points,but for different reasons.i like the looks and the traditionality if that's a word of it.
i also don't core most of my forearms but not b/c of time or extra work(it doesn't take long).i just like the hit of other woods over Maple or laminated Maple.most of the woods i use for forearms are also quite abit more stable than Maple anyway.some of them are much more stable on the end grains.i do agree coring helps stability overall,but for me the risk is worth the reward.
breakshot said:
This reminds me of about 16 years ago, when a kid in the pool room had a brand new Meucci, and he had been playing with it for like a week.
He took a shot, and as body english would have it, was so intent on if the ball was going into the hole or not, he took a step backwards, and the top of the shaft hit that square air vent duct thing that you see on ceilings.
It wasn't that hard, and it might have been at a turtles pace, but the cue SPLIT IN HALF at the forearm above the wrap, which exposed a huge hollow section that was there where it was cored.
Sure, cues aren't supposed to be taking lateral stress, but this was literally nothing. You might drop your cue on a table after a shot and have 10 times the force generated then it took to break this cue.
I don't think ANYONE in the room bought a Meucci after that.
Now compare that to a Black Boar, and it's 2 different worlds.
I'd be willing to say that if i wanted, and i took my nephew to the park and he pitched a couple of baseballs to me, that i might be able to knock a couple of them out of the park with the cue.
The vibrations might loosen a point, or the force of the blow might somehow torque a point loose, but i dare say that for the most part, the cue would still be structurally sound.
One is way WAY more structurally sound then the other.
Heck, i remember a guy who had a Phillippe where somehow it came apart at the joint where the handle meets the forearm, and the only thing holding it together was this small piece of wood that looked like a football lengthwise, and that looked like a cross when you looked at the cross section.
It might have been the weakest way to attach the forearm to the handle that i have ever seen.
Sure it made balls in the hole, but it was just WEAK in other ways.
So as far as points go, cues with deep knifed points are going to be more structurally sound for the length of the point.
Just like in Black Boars case, the point goes beyond the forearm and under the wrap area.
But Szamboti's points, which are also deep knifed, go only as far as the bottom edge of the forearm, and then that is subsequently attached to the handle by some method.
But everyone is different, and i highly doubt that if a cue hits great regardless of how it is constructed, that anyone is going to make that big of a deal out of it.
I've played with junk that played fantastic, and high end stuff that played like junk, so it's all relative.
Heck, i remember a guy who had a Phillippe where somehow it came apart at the joint where the handle meets the forearm, and the only thing holding it together was this small piece of wood that looked like a football lengthwise, and that looked like a cross when you looked at the cross section.
It might have been the weakest way to attach the forearm to the handle that i have ever seen.
Biscuit.
It might have been the weakest way to attach the forearm to the handle that i have ever seen.
Biscuit.
Lets say it like this- making cues is childsplay- I have a Nationally know gunsmith friend, who builds guns !!! the stock, makes all parts from steel,then assembles, try building rifles, and holding tollerances. From checkering to blueing the barrels. He builds custom rifles for people around the world. He is an artist, machinest, mold maker, (very proud and indepent) If he thought I would share his secrets-he'd never let me in the shop. or shoot me!
For cue making- He built his own fixtures, for the simplist things! You do not need to core anything- buy quality wood it's out there the (east coast.) He builds cues in the late winter months-because he wants to- he doesn't care if he sells a cue or not. He cuts the wood to .50 thousands of the final cut-he buys shafts from falcon and reworks them 25.bucks apiece. I played with the cues richard black made for Steve Mizerak, I went to Richards home in the mid 90's was in his home and saw all the extra stuff, ask Allen Hopkins how his blacks played. Richard used a pantograph up until about 10 yrs ago when he bought a cnc.He made them the old way, like Mr. George B. Mr Ernie Martinez bought that pantograph. Richard made and makes more money selling cues than all the cuemakers on az . He has 2 pups in training fyi. I have respect for mike's Gullassy's poolplaying and cuemaking talents combine with (Samsara) mark
For cue making- He built his own fixtures, for the simplist things! You do not need to core anything- buy quality wood it's out there the (east coast.) He builds cues in the late winter months-because he wants to- he doesn't care if he sells a cue or not. He cuts the wood to .50 thousands of the final cut-he buys shafts from falcon and reworks them 25.bucks apiece. I played with the cues richard black made for Steve Mizerak, I went to Richards home in the mid 90's was in his home and saw all the extra stuff, ask Allen Hopkins how his blacks played. Richard used a pantograph up until about 10 yrs ago when he bought a cnc.He made them the old way, like Mr. George B. Mr Ernie Martinez bought that pantograph. Richard made and makes more money selling cues than all the cuemakers on az . He has 2 pups in training fyi. I have respect for mike's Gullassy's poolplaying and cuemaking talents combine with (Samsara) mark
Jackyl-
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Still live in North Miami ? Look for the Big Red Truck, coming your way soon. This is what I listen to when cutting cookies-between Barraga- copper harbor, Marqu mich Song titlesI stand alone,dirty little mind,down on me,when will it rain,redneck punk,the lumberjack,reach for me,back off brother,brain drain,just like a devil,she loves my -ock. Keeps the mosquitoes off ya