Please explain why kamui chalk is a "scam"

cleary said:
Exactly, that's all I care about. For me, it's not a scam at all. People that were spotting me the 7ball are not wanting to play even. To me, thats a big difference in a short amount of time.
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lmao. The chalk moved you up 2 balls?
Now, Now Cleary
 
Bambu said:
RJ, do you notice magic chalk sticking to the balls? I liked the kamui chalk but couldnt deal with the mess. It felt like masse chalk, lots of swerve. I think the stuff does what is says it does, it grabs more(like a kamui tip). I cant be sure, but what seems like less deflection is really more swerve.
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I've not noticed any sticking. My cue ball on my table stays clean, it does not leave marks or anything. Magic chalk is the real deal, as it just grabs a little better, and drawing the hell out of the ball, there is no doubt about any miscue or anything. I'm sure Kamui does the same for the folks that like it. On some break shots, I will see a mark..... but no biggie to me...

Heck, somebody gave me a piece of used Magic chalk, but it sat in my basement for 2 months before I finally said, heck, I'll give it a whirl.....and loved it right away... I didn't want to love it, but it was, oh what's the word... Magic.

And the price is not crazy, and if Kamaui is as good that's great, but at the price it really should be 10 times better,,,or last twice as long..... So I don't doubt its good chalk but is it worth the money compared to BD or Magic Chalk? That is the $64,000 question....or at least the $30 question !!!

And i'm open to listen to a nice unbiased test taking place and see what wins.....
 
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Where's Dr. Dave? With a high speed camera, this is all pretty easy to test.

Their diagram though is pretty obviously marketing bs. It shows standard chalk "causing" a massive deflection, something like a full diamond's worth with 2 tips of english.

Dave tested a bunch of cues for deflection without any special chalk, and the biggest deflection he got was about 2 inches over a 50" stretch. If normal chalk and english caused the ball to fly off to the side by a foot, we'd all be sticking to center ball.

Chalk can't give someone added accuracy. It can give them confidence if they think it works, and it can make them miss more if they have nagging doubts about it (even if the chalk itself is fine). If special chalk truly caused the cue ball to travel on a totally different line, you would spend months missing more often, not less, because the ball doesn't go where you're used to seeing it go. You'd have to unlearn years, even decades of aiming a certain way.

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Neil said:
Please explain how what type of chalk you have on your tip has anything to do with how accurately you hit the cb??
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Yeah, Neil, that was my first thought too. I can see where one chalk may stick to the tip better and you start miscuing less, but to improve your game? That's like saying your game got 3 balls better overnight after changing from a rubber to a plastic bumper. If you game improved it's because of something you did, not because of the damn chalk.

I wouldn't go so far as to call this chalk a scam, but I've used Master chalk for about as long as I can remember and I don't think I'm going to be spending extra money on something that already works really well. Like they say, if it ain't broke....
MULLY
of course if you're miscuing a lot then I'd take more of a look at what you're doing than I would the chalk.
 
sjm said:
For every miscue Kamui chalk eliminates, I'd guess a tip tapper eliminates twenty. At least that's the angle I'll take when I try to sell my new "SJM Super Duper Extra Special Ground Breaking Mind Melting Tip Tapper" for $500.

Actually, those I've heard knock Kamui have observed that because Kamui chalk sticks to the cloth and the balls so much more than conventional chalk, it both eliminates and causes problems. One cannot advertise a new drug without taking note of the fact that it may have certain undesirable side effects, and it's not difficult to argue that similar disclosure would be appropriate when it comes to a pool product.
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In my humble opinion miscuing on draw shots and the like are going to have a lot to do with how your tip is shaped. Granted, you need chalk on there, but with a properly shaped tip, and a proper stroke of course, almost any chalk should do the job. I'll stick with Master.
MULLY
 
Mully, the tip shape not too flat, you mean this? Or do you mean a tip with small radius causes more miscueing?
 
I have a piece that I won in a raffle at the Billiards Expo. I like it, but I never use it because I fear ill lose it lol.
 
Does this mean you're ready for the road Cleary? We'll just let you play with the regular blue chalk the first week, sluff off a few hundred here and there. Then, we'll take the town off with a few pieces of the No Miss Kamui .98 Special:smile: JK

I've hit a few balls with the good stuff, and can definitely feel a difference - no question. But, haven't played enough with it to give a real opinion. My honest take is that you're at a point in your game where you are improving. I think you - being in consistent action, tournaments, etc has a lot more to do with you turning a corner in your game than the chalk.

That being said, you got 9-7 and can douse yourself head to toe in Kamui:p
 
Is it possible that chalk can help you improve your game?Of course
it can.If your tip is contacting the cueball better,then your getting
the results you feel like you should,specially on spin shots and shape
shots that require precision.I'm not to sure why people have a hard
time believing Cleary ,that the Chalk has improved his game?
I've seen guys change there tip and there game skyrockets cause
it fit there style of play.
I believe if a tip can help your game,then the chalk going over that
same tip will play an equal role.After all we are talking about the
biggest component of the game,the Tip!!
 
cleary said:
And since buying my first cube i've bought several others. If it didn't make a difference, I wouldn't keep buying it.

I don't think the money has anything to do with my opinion. To be completely honest, $30 is nothing (for me). I will buy a $30 drink at the bar that lasts 10 min. I've spend much more on much less. I'm not a millionaire and don't make it rain in the club... but $30 is nothing for something I feel improves my game.
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They sell 30 dollar drinks?
 
I have never used Kamui chalk, but don;t see it as a "scam".

A fair price for anything is what a willing buyer will pay a willing seller. I would not pay the price for it, but if there are "willing buyers" who will, more power to them.
 
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