Pocket vs. Pocketless table?

smashmouth said:
Tampa is trying to start something here so I'll take the bait

berberov is correct

Any form of billiards can be very boring to watch, Carom is BY FAR the most
boring of all of em and a terrific cure for insomnia

furthermore, carom players are SECOND RATE cue artists, ANY top nine ball
or snooker player could smoke them at 3C with very little practice

Like any cuesport, there are a couple 3C guys that could compete with the real cue artists

Finally, if you want to play carom so bady, either buy a carom tablem or if you're broke buy a used 7 footer and some pocket inserts

Well suppose that everyone entitled to opinion.
Sometimes I wonder why I ever say that.

Steve
 
I really don't see how the margin of error for cutting a ball into a pocket is more than caroming off a ball, hitting 3 rails and coming back to another ball...just doesn't make sense. If so why do professional players get stuck w/ safeties? they're so much better right, they can just pull off a 3 rail bank with ease and continue to run out... Wow i can't get over that post
 
"I really don't see how......"

and that's your problem right there, lol

people like you love to argue for the sake of it, you just can't open your mind to the fact that you need a little schooling
 
smashmouth said:
btw, from a technical standpoint, the margin for error on many 3C shots
is HUGE

You said something that is almost correct.
Yes the margin of error coming off the last rail on certain shots where is a "big" ball, but the initial hit is much more critical.

The top players will add to the difficulty of the shot by varying the hit on the first OB and compensate for changed direction of the CB to still get to 2nd OB for the score while the 1st OB which was hit with just the right amount of pace settles into position for the next EASY shot.

Yep. It sure sounds easy to me. lol

Have a nice evening sir.

Steve
 
Whoever said it was easy? Did I say it was easy?

Did I mention which shots I was referring to???

READING COMPREHENSION Steve

lol

perhaps you can take your partial schooling and impart it to
mayamon's non existent shooling, thanks clowns, lol
 
hey Steve,

you appear old enough to remember hooked on phonics right, lol


I'm sorry but I have a tough time dealing with simpletons, that is strictly my shortcoming not yours, I just need to remember to think of you in the same sympatheic manner I save for retards



in any case, i'm done with ya
 
smashmouth said:
hey Steve,

you appear old enough to remember hooked on phonics right, lol


I'm sorry but I have a tough time dealing with simpletons, that is strictly my shortcoming not yours, I just need to remember to think of you in the same sympatheic manner I save for retards



in any case, i'm done with ya

I can see why you have a negative reputation.

Steve
BTW I think your shift key is faulty.
 
smashmouth said:
Tampa is trying to start something here so I'll take the bait
OK, now I'll take your bait (against my better judgment).

smashmouth said:
Any form of billiards can be very boring to watch, Carom is BY FAR the most boring of all of em and a terrific cure for insomnia
I agree that watching 3C is probably boring to people who've never tried to play the game and who can't begin to imagine how they would shoot a shot before the champion actually shoots it. So I kind of agree with you there.

smashmouth said:
furthermore, carom players are SECOND RATE cue artists, ANY top nine ball or snooker player could smoke them at 3C with very little practice
You don't mince words, do you? You are as wrong as wrong can be. Efren, for example, has played a lot of caroms (mostly balkline, as I understand it) and is nowhere near world caliber. I think it likely that he could be if gave up pool and devoted himself to 3C, but he's Efren. But no way do I think he could ever "smoke them".

smashmouth said:
Like any cuesport, there are a couple 3C guys that could compete with the real cue artists
Not sure who you're thinking of, but I don't doubt that if a top 3C player who focused on pool they would become very good at it. The best example I can think of is Harold Worst. He was a world champion at 3C and then took up pool because 3C was dying out, and he rose to the top level at pool (won at Johnston City and Stardust before he died in his late 30's). Freddy The Beard has high praise for him in The Gospool.

smashmouth said:
Finally, if you want to play carom so bady, either buy a carom tablem or if you're broke buy a used 7 footer and some pocket inserts
And play by yourself? I think Tampa Bay is looking to learn and compete.
 
billiard dave 7 said:
If you are from Tampa there are carom tables all over. There was a Oriental pool room on Waters, and another on Armenia. In Seminole there is CM Lees. He has one Chevillote 9 ft. Over on 4th St in St. Petersburg they have one also. You just need to get around. Enjoy.

Can you give me the name of those places? I just moved to Tampa a year and live in Land O Lakes. I need a place to hang out with friends and also looking to buy a carom table as well (used is fine).
Thanks.
TB.
 
Rich, attempts at wit do not make you any less of a simpleton.

I understand your ego was bruised with my 3c comments, I'm gonna try my next simpleton exercise with you in mind, lol

Cheers
 
Rich93 said:
It's a matter of taste, I guess. I love to play 3C and don't find it boring at all. I think it's beautiful.

But I find watching Jaspers against Blomdahl to be really discouraging. Their level of skill and accuracy is so amazing that I can't even imagine playing like them. I can imagine playing like Efren - not that I do, of course, but I can at least imagine it. I can't even fantasize playing like Blomdahl. Every time I watch the Europeans play 3C I shake my head in wonder. How is it possible to get so good at that game?
I've been watching that Turkish guy Semih on youtube and he is amazing I can't believe some of the things he can make the cueball do. Just put Semih in the search box and check him out you will be impressed. In another thread someone wanted people to say who they thought had the best fundamentals stroke etc. I think we can all learn about good fundamentals from some of the world class 3 cushion players. Stance stroke delivery are excellent. Philw
 
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TampaBay said:
I am new to this forum....
I came here form Asia where Carom billiards is very common. I like it so much, but when I come to this country, I can't find a bar with carom table. they all pocket tables.
Is it too hard to play 3-cushions? I found out that 9 balls (pockets) game is too boring. After a few minutes, all the ball will hit to the pockets then you start over again.... I think it is boring that is why lots of tables are for sale after couple years of owning it. Lots of friends have table for sale because they play it a lot in the first few months, then... once a month...then once a party... then...you want to get it of it to have more space.
I play 3-cushions after so many years and still attract to it and want to have my own table at home to practice some tricks....
I think you guys should try out Carom Billiards.


you should try artistic pool
 
THANK YOU Dave!

Whoever this kid is, he is certainly misinformed...and sure wants to stir up the pot. Thanks for getting involved and putting Smashmouth on hiatus.
BTW, congrats to all the other posters, for not buying into Smashmouth's garbage posts, and starting a flame war. Difficult to do, when dealing with this kind of poster...kind of reminds me of FL.:rolleyes:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
Down here in Miami, we have a couple of poolhalls with billiard tables. One place opened up almost a year ago with 6 heated 5x10 tables and they're GORGEOUS. I guess it might be the heavy South American influence in the area.

As for my own opinion, I like 9ball and 3C just the same even though my carom game isn't half as good as my pocket game. Playing 3C knocked my kicking percentage up a ton though.
 
In regards to 3C...

3C is a great game..... just wish I had some players to play with. The ones that I encounter are all top notch players, and have not ever asked me to play..... they just don't have the patience to teach me even the basics. But I am getting close in getting their attention.

They give me great pocket billiard advice... ALL of which was helpful. Especially in kicking abilities. I used to have many sorts of problems with them, but are now less difficult and if this continues, I don't think I will have much difficulty at all.

Hopefully it will be enuff to play them, as they are wanting me to improve.... but they would like to see how far I am willing to go.

Here in S Fla, there's not much, but at least one in major cities.
 
Seminole-CM Lees-10 ft table 10754 70th Ave- (813-398-4609) open 2pm
St. Pete-West Coast Billiards-10 ft-6801 4th St. (813-521-4344)
Bill A Cue Club-8303 Armenia (just off Waters)
unknown - further down Waters toward Florida Ave.
Robertsons Billiard Supplies-1721 N. Franklin- downtown
Bakers Billiards across street from Robertsons (no caroms)

Hope this helps
 
All I have to say about what I have read sofar about this thread is that yall are preaching to pool. It's good and bad, simultaniously. It is fun to pocket a few balls (if not hundreds) in a row and feel the confidence out of your accomplishments. Sadly, so many Americans are confined by Pool becoming the national sport of billiards. Sometimes I always wonder if the turn of the century will become the year that Carom (of all forms from Straight Rail to Birilli) and Snooker will ever revive popularity in the States. For those that find Carom to be difficult, why not try Straight Rail first then work your way up? Difficult... boring?? Try to discipline yourself into not becoming bored and find the interest in it. If a round of 14.1 by 150pts is tough... try Freegame to 1000 or even more challenging. Finance?? I read a story from Robert Byrne about the great Raymond Ceulemans on how he had a sandwich parlor and had a few tables (4'x8' assumably but sounds kewl) of carom that he had around. For those of you that have not or even not found interest in these two forms of billiards... why not try again and find the interest out of them?

BTW, if you, reader, found this thread to be insulting or implausable, my apologies to you for finding this post misunderstaning.

-- I am only trying to better and enjoy all forms of billiards to all
 
billiard dave 7 said:
Seminole-CM Lees-10 ft table 10754 70th Ave- (813-398-4609) open 2pm
St. Pete-West Coast Billiards-10 ft-6801 4th St. (813-521-4344)
Bill A Cue Club-8303 Armenia (just off Waters)
unknown - further down Waters toward Florida Ave.
Robertsons Billiard Supplies-1721 N. Franklin- downtown
Bakers Billiards across street from Robertsons (no caroms)

Hope this helps


Good for you!!! You managed to wade through all the crap that came up in this thread and do what was needed to help the guy. Well done !! :cool:
 
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