Points with no veneers. When was this en vouge?

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I just bought a cue that has four very even points, no veneers and it's not a house cue conversion. The points are standard 70's length. I started thinking why we don't see veneerless points on cues much anymore. Was this a 70's/80's thing? Every so often a old JW, Scruggs or Black may pop up for sale that has no veneers, but not much else. Just curious.
 
I just had a new cue custom-made that I should get sometime this week.

It's full-spliced purpleheart into an ebony forearm and it has no veneers. All of my cues have point and veneers, so I decided to get something different this time.

It will also be my only cue with no metal in it at all. It has a 3/8-10 G-10 pin.

I've seen a few high dollar cues by some well known makers that had points and no veneers, but I don't know if they ever were in fashion. I haven't seen too many players using them.
 
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No veneer points are my personal favorite..

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Picked this curly purple heart Runde up recently if this is what you're talking about






 
When was this en vouge?

I am unaware of when this might have been "en vogue".

You seem to be not talking about sneaky petes, house cue conversions, which of course have been very popular for a very long time.

When you look at various cue lines, they often start at the bottom with merry widow cues, then progress to pointed cues without veneers, then pointed cues with veneers, then cues with more than four points, box cues, etc.

You can find this trend in a 100 year old catalog, a Gina catalog, a JW catalog, Mali, Meuccie, Joss, and on an on all the way up to the present.

When you get to the eight pointers you will usually find them without veneers around the points. I think the design just gets too "busy" cramming all those veneers in with all those points. But you do find other embellishments using veneers.

The cue that skins posted is a nice example of what I am saying. There are no veneers around the points, but there are veneers used. They are in the rings and what I guess I would call gunsight inlays.

Can a period where non-veneered points were "en vogue" be identified? I am unaware of such a period.

I am very interested in the evolution of cue design and would be very interested if such a trend or period could be identified.

If I had to take a stab at identifying such a period, it would be the eight pointers by such makers as Stroud, Mottey, Gina, Tad, etc from about the mid eighties through the mid-nineties, or maybe 1990 through 2000? Kind of overlaps with the emergence of the popularity of the tuxedo cues which themselves were often done without veneers around the points, though sometimes they did have black and white veneers.

Cues like I am pointing out were made before and of course after the era I am specifying, but they did seem to enjoy an enhanced popularity through the time I am stating. They still are well regarded cue designs and such designs are still done.


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The cue that skins posted is a nice example of what I am saying. There are no veneers around the points, but there are veneers used. They are in the rings and what I guess I would call gunsight inlays.........

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"Geyser" Bells or Sights if you like... Unique and designed specifically for this cue.

I do agree with you about your time period and assesment to why no veneers on cues with 8 points. I even like that with 6 pointers too but I like inlays or other work included with some makers. Example woud be, SW cues look nice with plain points but a more traditional cue by Ernie, Gus, Barry, Bill, Paul ect. would need some sort of embellishments to get my juices flowing. :smile:
 
I still buy no veneer pointed cues
Gus told Jack potter that he thought they were the best playing ones

I used to get South West cues with no veneers because I liked them the best

I also like veneers
 
My absolute favorite!

One shaft is rock hard BEM. I think it is an intimidating looking player.
 

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From the time Tony Scianella of Black Boar started making 6 points he never used any veneers. The time frame is around 1994 to present time.
 
I still buy no veneer pointed cues
Gus told Jack potter that he thought they were the best playing ones

I used to get South West cues with no veneers because I liked them the best

I also like veneers

I believe it was Gus that said the more you embellish a cue the harder it is to make it play well.

Many can make a sneaky. Fewer can make a fancy cue play well.

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"Geyser" Bells or Sights if you like... Unique and designed specifically for this cue.

I do agree with you about your time period and assesment to why no veneers on cues with 8 points. I even like that with 6 pointers too but I like inlays or other work included with some makers. Example woud be, SW cues look nice with plain points but a more traditional cue by Ernie, Gus, Barry, Bill, Paul ect. would need some sort of embellishments to get my juices flowing. :smile:


Thanks. Yes, I agree. Even a six point is hard to make look pleasing with veneers.

I have a four point Viking with 9 veneers. Honestly I got it as a novelty. It is not a pleasing design. Wild though...

SW has created an entire genre based on no veneer designs. Often copied.

Maybe SW designed cues can lay claim to the "en vogue" design the op is looking for? I don't know.

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Veneers can and do soften/duck the hit I very much love the look of veneers but the best players I've ever made owned or borrowed were all non veneered. Of course that's just my opinion on the cue as I like very spiney rigid cues with a high tone


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"Geyser" Bells or Sights if you like... Unique and designed specifically for this cue.

I do agree with you about your time period and assesment to why no veneers on cues with 8 points. I even like that with 6 pointers too but I like inlays or other work included with some makers. Example woud be, SW cues look nice with plain points but a more traditional cue by Ernie, Gus, Barry, Bill, Paul ect. would need some sort of embellishments to get my juices flowing. :smile:


Thanks. Yes, I agree. Even a six point is hard to make look pleasing with veneers.

I have a four point Viking with 9 veneers. Honestly I got it as a novelty. It is not a pleasing design. Wild though...

SW has created an entire genre based on no veneer designs. Often copied.

Maybe SW designed cues can lay claim to the "en vogue" design the op is looking for? I don't know.

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