Points?

Chagy

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What the difference in the number of points a cue has? I know it's a nube question but I'm wondering?
 

SC02GTP

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The more points, the more work that goes into building a cue. This should add cost to a custom build for the extra work.
 

qbilder

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It's decorative. At the very most it 'could' be weakly argued that points increase the stability & strength of a the forearm. But in terms of making a shot, they contribute nothing.
 

Chopdoc

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It's decorative. At the very most it 'could' be weakly argued that points increase the stability & strength of a the forearm. But in terms of making a shot, they contribute nothing.

I would say that point regarding stability is actually valid for a true full splice cue, but otherwise points are purely decorative.

The half splice is just a decorative imitation of the full splice cue. It's not a performance feature.
 

KJ Cues

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It's decorative. At the very most it 'could' be weakly argued that points increase the stability & strength of a the forearm. But in terms of making a shot, they contribute nothing.

If no one acknowledges the flip-side of the coin, it will always appear 'heads up'.
It could also be argued that 1/2 splice points might weaken a forearm.
Please understand that you've got 5 separate pieces glued together and turned as one.
That's not counting the veneers.
Depending on how that sectioned forearm is joined to the handle, you could conceivably have 8 butt-glued
lines running from the interior of your forearm to the outside surface through a very thin side-wall.
I'm not saying yay or nay on the subject. I'm supplying more substance to the answer to your question.
Want more to consider???
That's pretty much how Predator shafts are built only they (now) have 10 splices.
Want more??? You got it. OB shafts have at least 48 splices.

KJ
 

cuewould

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Yikes!!!!!

It's decorative. At the very most it 'could' be weakly argued that points increase the stability & strength of a the forearm. But in terms of making a shot, they contribute nothing.

Does this mean I should give up my magic shot making point cue....AGAIN!!!!!! Thanks Eric I guess I'll put it next to the deed for the Goldengate bridge and the been stalk beens:(
 

rhncue

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Does this mean I should give up my magic shot making point cue....AGAIN!!!!!! Thanks Eric I guess I'll put it next to the deed for the Goldengate bridge and the been stalk beens:(

Points, windows, rings and inlays, in themselves are just decorations and make the cue more aesthetically desirable, but, to an observant individual they point to much more that we can't see. When point work is very clean, tight fitting with no noticeable glue lines or flaws it tells that the builder has spent some time tuning his skills and not settling for good enough but still strived for perfection.

When seeing this attention to detail on a non structural elements of the cue you can feel much better about the construction of the non visual, structural parts such as A-joints, properly seasoned woods and incremental periods between turnings.

Dick
 

cuewould

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truth

Points, windows, rings and inlays, in themselves are just decorations and make the cue more aesthetically desirable, but, to an observant individual they point to much more that we can't see. When point work is very clean, tight fitting with no noticeable glue lines or flaws it tells that the builder has spent some time tuning his skills and not settling for good enough but still strived for perfection.

When seeing this attention to detail on a non structural elements of the cue you can feel much better about the construction of the non visual, structural parts such as A-joints, properly seasoned woods and incremental periods between turnings.

Dick
Well said sir.......
 

Lexicologist71

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Given that modern epoxies are stronger than wood, I wonder how strong that argument is about full splice versus 'half-splice' cues. It may be valid when talking about weapons, but for a pool cue?
 

pdcue

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Given that modern epoxies are stronger than wood, I wonder how strong that argument is about full splice versus 'half-splice' cues. It may be valid when talking about weapons, but for a pool cue?

Good point - but not just limited to epoxy. Humble wood glue provides
a bond that is stronger than the wood.

Dale
 

macguy

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I would say that point regarding stability is actually valid for a true full splice cue, but otherwise points are purely decorative.

The half splice is just a decorative imitation of the full splice cue. It's not a performance feature.

Not entirely, a half splice is a splice and when assembled into a handle it could even be argued it is more stable then a full splice. Now panographed points are another story, they are inlays and it could be argued they actually weaken the butt. I believe this was the opinion of Burton Spain.
 

macguy

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I believe one thing that has to be considered as far strength is what's being spliced into what.

Two examples: I would think a Maple forearm with Purpleheart point-stock should be stronger than a plain Maple forearm. And I would think a Purpleheart forearm with Maple point-stock would be weaker than a solid Purpleheart forearm.

It could stand to reason by this rational that the latter would still be as strong as a solid Maple forearm at the base of the points, and maybe slightly stronger because of the Purpleheart cross section.

The glue bond as mentioned should be stronger than the surrounding wood provided there's a good fit with no gaps.
You have to consider that the points are opposing grains glued in at different angles. This can be more stable then just a single piece of straight grain wood.
 
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JoeyInCali

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You have to consider that the points are opposing grains glued in at different angles. This can be more stable then just a single piece of straight grain wood.

Almost everyone cores these days so that might be moot.
Seen burl wood points lately ?
Seen a lot of those.
 

dzcues

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Almost everyone cores these days so that might be moot.

Well...more people core now than a few yrs ago but I don't think it's accurate to say almost everyone cores these days.

And even if they do, most people core BEFORE the points are installed.

Coring AFTER points are installed is done by very few.
 

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macguy

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Well...more people core now than a few yrs ago but I don't think it's accurate to say almost everyone cores these days.

And even if they do, most people core BEFORE the points are installed.

Coring AFTER points are installed is done by very few.

Do you think is is better to core before or after the nose piece is spliced? It seems that the act of coring an already spliced nose piece may itself produce weaknesses that may show up in the future. Where as gluing up a nose piece with the core before splicing will be safer. The added points will intersect with the nose piece as well as the core in an interlocking manner making it a more integrated unit, not just a core and a sleeve.
 
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