PoolRoomTeesCOM... busted.
- Thread starter Sweet Marissa
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I can honestly write off at least 4 of my beers and at least one shot that I drank last night to trying to forget this damn thread...the other 6 beers and 3 shots...that was just all me...
anybody got some advil?
anybody got some advil?
bnkunderme said:
In this case, I said my peace in the other thread because I know the young man she was trying to make out to be a bad person, is not a bad person. After that, I left it alone, but I did continue to watch the situation.
While observing, I noticed things that didn't seem to add up. I remembered posts from the not so distance past that seemed to coincide with the woman that didn't strike me as being very honest, so I started researching those posts.
I discovered that the person claiming to be honest actually had at least two screen names (the other had been chastised by the moderator for blatantly spamming the forum). They had also started a thread asking people what they would put on a t-shirt if they were to make their own billiard related shirt, but she never made any mention that she was going to start selling shirts and was looking for ideas (misleading people in order to use them for their ideas so that she could then use the ideas to make money). I also discovered (from her own posts) that while in TN she was known as "Dee" and in GA, she's known as "Angela".
Because of those things, I felt the need to share what I had discovered about the person that was trying to make a good person look bad. I had reservations about "piling onto" the situation and elongating it even more, but decided to go ahead with it because I think it was only fair that people knew what kind of person she was since she was here trying to hurt a good persons reputation.
She knowingly used a web domain that was verbally & visually very close to an already established t-shirt site that she admitted to knowing about. She used the ideas that she got from the folks here (by deception) to make the shirts she put on that website, and then came on here and tried to make the owner of pooltees.com look like a bad person.
I'm sorry for adding to the drama that most were tired of reading about. I'm not sorry for exposing a bad person that used the folks of this forum, is riding on the coat tails of an established web domain, and then tried to make the owner of that domain look bad. For that, I'm ok with my decision to "pile onto" the thread. Good riddance to her and best of luck to Jake in his struggle to get this bad person out of his business and personal life.
You're in the ballpark John but it's not up to the host or platform to determine infringement as this is up to the court
When a web host or platform provider receives a "properly completed" DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act) Notice of Copyright Infringement they protect themselves under the act (Safe Harbor) by removing the allegedly infringing material.
Under the act, if the alleged infringer files a "Counternotice" then the web host or platform provider is obligated to restore the material they removed. Under Safe Harbor, taking these actions relieves the host or platform from liability in the event either of the parties files an infringement suit in Federal court.
While DMCA affords some immediate resolution for legitimate claims it also opened the door so anyone could file an infringement notice, no matter how frivoulous.
No offense, Marissa, but UrackmIcrackm can give you the orange crush on Busting!
I'm trying to understand why it matters. There are 3 billion computer consultants in the world. If I open up Joescomputers and there is a Joescomputersandprinters, should I not use Joescomputers??
If pool was more popular there would be a lot of shops that have similar products and names, since its not that popular its a smaller sampling size.
You obviously have never owned/run a business - put your life into it, risked basically your life for it, and then have someone try to steal it.
Sweet Marissa
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I forgot about that, but went looking for it after this post. From the thread where this THIEF was fishing for ideas:
Sweet Marissa said:
Well, I called that one. Both of these ideas are on adchalk/poolhalltees/Angela/Dee's website for sale now. Hope you guys get a cut of the profits... if any.
EDIT: I love how she sometimes ends her posts with "........Thank you for supporting original art" LMAO She's reeaal original.
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But only one of those similar names will be granted trademark registration . . . That business if it happens to operate in the same locality (trademark has locality) will have no other choice but to excercise their rights on their trademark. Not doing so will be considered as neglect, and they can lose their ability to contest the infrigement in the future. This is the same reason why some seemingly stupid claims of infrigement are filed.
Infrigement is not only about similar products but also diversion from one type of product to another.
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I can't believe i read this, what a waste of time
It's like a train wreck...I can't look away.
Just let this die already
It's an argument between two people with very similar products and names. Somehow or another I still can't see how the owner of pooltees.com can possibly complain because the chances are much greater that I will type in pooltees.com by mistake when I actually mean to type in poolroomtees.com.
By comparison it is unlikely that I will actually add a word that I didn't mean to.
It's an argument between two people with very similar products and names. Somehow or another I still can't see how the owner of pooltees.com can possibly complain because the chances are much greater that I will type in pooltees.com by mistake when I actually mean to type in poolroomtees.com.
By comparison it is unlikely that I will actually add a word that I didn't mean to.
Dispute resolved.......
I see Mike is still the decider ain't nothing changed. I was really impressed by some of you cyber sleuths. I do most of my detective work by smell. Its always been easy for me to sniff out a rat. I think I'm going to take me a little nap an go fishin in the morning. I had a vision I was going to catch a monster in the morning. I don't know if any of you all fish but I registered on a site the other day called AZBZ. I don't know an I'm guessing but I'd say it could be Mikes. What about it does anybody know? Its a fishing site, its cool if your into fishing an maybe fast bassboats.
Pinocchio
I see Mike is still the decider ain't nothing changed. I was really impressed by some of you cyber sleuths. I do most of my detective work by smell. Its always been easy for me to sniff out a rat. I think I'm going to take me a little nap an go fishin in the morning. I had a vision I was going to catch a monster in the morning. I don't know if any of you all fish but I registered on a site the other day called AZBZ. I don't know an I'm guessing but I'd say it could be Mikes. What about it does anybody know? Its a fishing site, its cool if your into fishing an maybe fast bassboats.
Pinocchio
Isn't that why there are lawyers in the world? The old cease and desist letter sent off, the arguments between lawyers, etc etc etc
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I get what is going on, get that it sucks and is ethically wrong, also get that in todays world ethics have for the most part disappeared.
What I'm really trying to say is how is this a topic on a pool forum, when its really a business to business problem. Just find it odd, and the real reality is that whichever company provides the best service, fastest shipping, and best customer service will be the long term winner. That of course assumes they have a marketable product to begin with.
And your right, I'm not a business owner. Not all that smart, really nothing at all but a pool player that has a computer.
And it should be pointed out that the person that showed the least amount of ethics in this situation is the person that brought the business to business issue to the pool forum. In that respect, I have no problem giving my opinion on the rights/wrongs of the situation.
I owned a store and found one morning a list of wholesale pricing (not my wholesale prices but definitely less than retail) written by one of my employees. The next time he came to work, I confronted him with it and he admitted that he was thinking of opening up a similar store. It should be noted that I was in a town of 11,000 people and had a unique market to sell to. So I fired him on the spot. He stated, how can you fire me for this - I replied, I thought we had a friendly relationship, I gave you a part time job to help give you extra spending money in your pocket, and when should I fire you - after you have told all of my customers your 'plan'? He did finally open up his own store and I put him out of business in 9 months. It isn't that easy, he found out and even more difficult when I was working against him. But again, I had risked basically my life on this store as I had bought a house 2 months before I opened and was determined to do whatever it took to make it work. Try explain to a wife that if you don't do any business, you don't get a paycheck and then you don't get to keep your house.
This is without a doubt the best thing I have ever seen you post!
TAP TAP ^&%&^%ing TAP
That's the theory anyway. Except the short-term lack of business caused by an unscrupulous competitor can sink the better company. Some companies have the best service, fastest shipping and so one but doing all that comes with a high cost meaning that margins are slim. So when a competitor shows who "promises" all that at a lower price AND they have a similar sounding name then they siphon business away from the better business.
Now the better business has to figure out how to retaliate to keep their customers and continue to win new ones. This adds on more layers of cost without an increase in profit to offset it.
All this is "just business" of course. It's not really "unethical" to run off and start a competing business in the same field. That's a risk every business owner undertakes when they hire and train people. Unethical is when the competing business tries to trade on the name of another business, when they steal secrets like supplier information and customer lists, when they copy signature products....etc...
It's not that ethics have disappeared. In business such things have been going on since there have been street merchants all the way to back to ancient Rome.
Did you know that clay wine jugs used to be made with certain symbols on them to identify the "brand"? And these were copied in other towns and filled with cheaper and "inferior" quality wine. Merchants used to fight gang wars over this stuff sending their private armies to destroy the infringing parties. And I mean destroy as in kill everyone.
Luckily in our "civilized" society such theft is not generally subject to such retribution. Luckily for those who do it that is. If such crime were handled in a much harsher way then most of it would stop.