Pool's Greatest Sin:**Quiting Winner**
- Thread starter Walt Frazier
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Today's gambling and "gamblers" are far different than in the past. You just didn't quit after a couple of games. These people that say they are accustomed to just all of a sudden not liking the game they are in and quitting aren't playing "real" action. These are nickel and dimers. Noone who you can bet a good amount with doesn't get all of the details of the session beforehand.
Walt Frazier
Banned
Let the church say amen !!!!
AMEN!!!!!
Tennesseejoe said:
AMEN!!!!!
crawfish said:
There is no cure for stupid.
crawfish said:
You know how you solve this? Post up a couple of sets at a time. $20 a rack is bs and it's just asking for someone to quit when they're up. Play some long sets and let the better player come out ahead - enough of this back and forth by the rack crap. The only game I ever see played by the rack down here is one pocket.
Or being anonymous
Although I didn't word my last input in the correct manner, there is definitely a plus to being anonymous. Love to hit a few with you sometime, my friend. I do make it into Tennessee quite often. PM me and I'll make it a point to throw some cash into your machine, or you can throw some into mine. However you want to word it is up to you.Tennesseejoe said:
playing individual games for money seems silly anyway, freeze up at least 3+ games worth of money, even if it's dinky 10s & 20s.
Unrelated: If anyone sold a big black tee shirt with plain big white lettering that said "NIT" I absolutely would buy it. I think I'd buy four of them. Seriously, someone take the time to have these made and sell them so I can give you my money.
(I may quit you after buying only 1 shirt btw)
Unrelated: If anyone sold a big black tee shirt with plain big white lettering that said "NIT" I absolutely would buy it. I think I'd buy four of them. Seriously, someone take the time to have these made and sell them so I can give you my money.
(I may quit you after buying only 1 shirt btw)
I have never quit ahead on someone. If time was a factor I let them now ahead of time. I guess I learned the old school way of playing, that the guy who is down decides when the game is over, or at least has ample oppurtunity to win his money back.Walt Frazier said:If you've ever gambled,you've done it..At one time or another,we all have..If a player tells you"I have never quit a guy winner" Than guess what? He is lying thru his teeth!
I believe that every gambling situation has it's own experience and you can justifiably find enough reason to quit a guy winner(depending on the situation) more times than not.
Their are many factors that come into play when you're in the box .Let me give you a few scenarios:1) You've been absolutely tortureing this guy for hours and hours.You're way ahead of him.He's been stuck all-night to you but he's still hanging in there;still trying..Now gradually,you feel your body get tired.Your position play is getting worse and worse.You miss a routine shot.You've spent almost all of your energy building up a huge lead and now you're dead tired;A 15 minute break won't do(you're exhausted)..What do you do ? Suggest that you two continue some other time ? What if he says no ? At that point I will unscrew my stick and grab my money from off of the light and say "see ya later" on my way out.
Scenario:2) You're in the box again grinding but 2night you're off..I mean,way off! You cannot settle into your gear(for whatever reason) and the guy you're playing is growing with confidence with every rack..He is running out from everywhere and making it look soooooooooooooo easy.To a railbird, it would appear that you're in a bad game; but you know that the reality is that 2night is just not your night..You could beat this guy if you just came out of your coma..Then suddenly! as if the pool gods were listening to your thoughts.You start to get a few rolls..Then more rolls!! You make the nine on the snap..He scratches on the break and leaves the nine hanging in the jaws..You make a wired combo on the nine etc. and although you're really not playing any better, you're magically ahead of this guy now! What do you do.? Continue to play and risk the inevitable(momentum and luck swings back his way..not to mention your dough)..Or,do what I do..QUIT!(of course I would come up with a clever excuse to get the hell out of dodge)..Call me a nit all you want to- but I am definetly not mad at my wallet!.I know I just made out like a bandit and I will show him more gamble some other time.
The best thing to do is to always post up.and set a playing time.If it's 5 hours or 25 hours you need to do your best to honor that .At least that way if you bust a guy he can't say that you quit him winner ..He had his chance and you showed him enough gamble.
What are your thoughts AZ ?
From how you describe yourself, you do sound like a nit. I never played to pool trying to make a living, the bet just made things more interesting. But you sound like you are just trying to get over on people. Guess what, theres really not a lot of money in the pool hall. You'd be better off working minimum wage and saving your money, than trying to get ahead on the pool tables.
You just have to ask yourself, why do you play? It sounds like you think theres a pot of gold out there. Keep looking for it, good luck with that. I don't think you will find to many people interested in playing you since you like to quit ahead anyway.
You wanted some thoughts, those are mine.
> I have never said that what I did in my case was the correct decision,but that is what I did. My opponent was a notorious lamb-killer,and also had been known to quickly unscrew if he was off a little or someone else got hot. I had learned by seeing him in his hangouts where all he did was bust APA 3/4 level players that if he felt like his ego or rep were being tarnished,he'd bolt. I wasn't planning on letting him get in a clean lick before the fight got broke up,so to speak. As far as I knew,the first time he ever gambled with me was the first time he gambled outside of his home room. The second time,he preached to everyone around that he had me where we wanted me,even though I was 12 games up in about 6 hours,and that I was out of gas. Damn near 10 hours later,still 11 games up,I put together 3 runs of 2 full racks and made a combo on the 9 and one on the break,winning the last game on a safe. I'm out of gas but I pull away at the end,20 games winner. He quits.
After I had given him all night to try and get even,he got up on me but I could see it in his eyes,he was fading and knew it. I could SMELL it,and I took a bathroom break to mentally gear up to see if I can put something together on offense and maybe get a bonus or two by making him dog it a little. He had apparently had a talk with his backer and devised a scheme to try and quit before the roof caved in on them. They used the excuse that his backer had to be in Martin,Tn,in an hour,at midnight on Saturday,from Caruthersville,Mo,whch is a 90 minute drive minimum,but would play another 30 minutes. I knew what he was up to,and was NOT having it,not after having given him 10 hours to try and get even before.
I was probably wrong for handling it that way. I could have paid him off,and validated his move. However,by doing so,the little boost his ego would have gotten from successfully pulling a scam like this plus the fact that he actually had me down score-wise would have negated the edge I felt I had mentally,making him that much harder to beat the next time.
Think about it for a few,and give me some input on what YOU would have decided.
Don't get in your heads for a second that I have a habit of stiffing people either.
By the way,we've gambled since,but only after getting every conceivable detail sussed out,and by the set. Tommy D.
After I had given him all night to try and get even,he got up on me but I could see it in his eyes,he was fading and knew it. I could SMELL it,and I took a bathroom break to mentally gear up to see if I can put something together on offense and maybe get a bonus or two by making him dog it a little. He had apparently had a talk with his backer and devised a scheme to try and quit before the roof caved in on them. They used the excuse that his backer had to be in Martin,Tn,in an hour,at midnight on Saturday,from Caruthersville,Mo,whch is a 90 minute drive minimum,but would play another 30 minutes. I knew what he was up to,and was NOT having it,not after having given him 10 hours to try and get even before.
I was probably wrong for handling it that way. I could have paid him off,and validated his move. However,by doing so,the little boost his ego would have gotten from successfully pulling a scam like this plus the fact that he actually had me down score-wise would have negated the edge I felt I had mentally,making him that much harder to beat the next time.
Think about it for a few,and give me some input on what YOU would have decided.
Don't get in your heads for a second that I have a habit of stiffing people either.
By the way,we've gambled since,but only after getting every conceivable detail sussed out,and by the set. Tommy D.
tommy d
In the second match-up you described, the guy wanted to quit you winner, so you stiffed him, if I'm reading the post correctly?
Then you say you later played this guy again. I'm just wondering did you settle up from when you stiffed him or not?
IMO quitting winner is nitty, but doesn't excuse stiffing the guy.
In the second match-up you described, the guy wanted to quit you winner, so you stiffed him, if I'm reading the post correctly?
Then you say you later played this guy again. I'm just wondering did you settle up from when you stiffed him or not?
IMO quitting winner is nitty, but doesn't excuse stiffing the guy.
, i let them know i have to leave at a certain time if i'm up, i'll let them bet what they are stuck in a short race-at least giving them a chance to get even so have i at least gave tehm a chance to get out even-I like it when they try and get out even they usually lose. but to just stop playing with no notice at the end of a set-nope never did that, dont want that reputation, i walys give them an out, hell i'll flip a coin for what i'm winning as long as they post it up, its a free barrel.
lol let's coin a new phrase for a Walt Maneuver, we'll call it the "Nit-and-Run". Just kidding. I think walt just wanted to burn his opponent because it sounds like the guy he's describing is a cock who just likes to sucker weak players into money games. I don't see anything wrong in taking the guy down a peg this way.
I smell something fishy when people say stuff like "well if you quit winner, you will get a bad rep as a nit and won't get any more action. And why would you want to do that anyway, you have a chance to make more money?" I'd like to believe these people are just kindhearted concerned citizens who want to make sure walt has a nice reputation and brings home more money, but somehow these sound EXACTLY like the kind of things someone says when they're trying to gently reel in a fish =)
I smell something fishy when people say stuff like "well if you quit winner, you will get a bad rep as a nit and won't get any more action. And why would you want to do that anyway, you have a chance to make more money?" I'd like to believe these people are just kindhearted concerned citizens who want to make sure walt has a nice reputation and brings home more money, but somehow these sound EXACTLY like the kind of things someone says when they're trying to gently reel in a fish =)
When I was in college, I gambled quite a bit...then when I got a job and had to leave at a decent hour, it put me in a no-win situation...if I was up, then I had to let the guy get even or have an argument. If I was down, then I quit loser, either way I lost. So I stopped gambling as much. Then it was pretty much limited to weekends.
I think many people who would gamble otherwise don't gamble because of this unwritten rule. If I could play a set or two and know that, win or lose, I could quit in a few hours, I would do it a lot more. It puts people without jobs at a distinct advantage over people with jobs. Those of us with jobs/families have enough going against us when we gamble with degenerates) ) without having this rule make us certain losers or certain to end up in an argument.
Now I typically gamble small stakes and clarify that I have to go or whatever, although the last time I gambled I had a very good player down quite a bit and let him get back to even because I didn't want to quit winner on him...why not just give him my half of the table time and not even waste the time playing if you're going to do that?
Cheers,
RC
I think many people who would gamble otherwise don't gamble because of this unwritten rule. If I could play a set or two and know that, win or lose, I could quit in a few hours, I would do it a lot more. It puts people without jobs at a distinct advantage over people with jobs. Those of us with jobs/families have enough going against us when we gamble with degenerates
) ) without having this rule make us certain losers or certain to end up in an argument.Now I typically gamble small stakes and clarify that I have to go or whatever, although the last time I gambled I had a very good player down quite a bit and let him get back to even because I didn't want to quit winner on him...why not just give him my half of the table time and not even waste the time playing if you're going to do that?
Cheers,
RC