Predator 10-ball Payouts??

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This is one helluva stellar field that has assembled in Jacksonville! I can't find the money added amount anywhere. Anyone know how much dough has been put up for the contest? It always surprises me how the cheese is never mentioned in the articles on these tournaments.:rolleyes:

Doc
 
it's never mentioned because it's on the low side

I hope AZ is getting something from this promoter as the only reason he's ever here is for shameless advertising
 
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Yeah.. the great American pocket billiard scene has managed to scrape together an entire 13K or 14K for first place..

Man o MAN, why are they not publicizing that?

That's BIG money yo!

/sarcasm

Russ
 
Russ Chewning said:
Yeah.. the great American pocket billiard scene has managed to scrape together an entire 13K or 14K for first place..

Man o MAN, why are they not publicizing that?

That's BIG money yo!

/sarcasm

Russ
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Its tough to add a lot of money when hardly anyone will pay to see it. Unfortunately, that is how it is in the pool world.
 
hi

i know the world will keep spinning even though i did not go to the world ten ball in jacksonville.i feel i am playing as good as i can right now and i would have loved to go to the tourney and represent myself and the u.s. but the sole reason i could not force myself to go is the prize money is to low compared to all the great players that will be there.i figure i had to finish top ten to break even.i even had some people who were going to pay all the expenses and split what i win,but again getting half of a little is still a little.even though tourneys will probably pay nothing for the rest of my life and players will keep showing up for some reason ,myself im going to make an effort to refrain from any event where if i finish say tenth i break even.i know charlie is doing the best he can but until sponsors give him more money its financially unsound for me to come to events like this.now im sure someone is going to tell me that i knew pool paid nothing when i started but actually it paid alright when i started camel tour etc.with the cost of traveling and the fact that first place is the same or lower than 15 years ago i think i will be forced to just stay home and slowly go broke watching tv,lol.oh well maybe things will change and i can take pool serious but for now i think i will go apply at waffle house it pays about the same and i dont have to travel much.lol
 
In spite of the small purse, atleast we should be glad that someone had sponsored an event rather than none right? anyway, I hope they get more sponsors to finance or increase the purse.
 
It's for the love of the game!

gulfportdoc said:
This is one helluva stellar field that has assembled in Jacksonville! I can't find the money added amount anywhere. Anyone know how much dough has been put up for the contest? It always surprises me how the cheese is never mentioned in the articles on these tournaments.:rolleyes:

Doc
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It's a world championship played for the love of the game. All the participants are past world champions or champions of some kind. I mean they are all qualified to be there, I mean they had to qualify to be there didn't they?

Or maybe there ain't no cheese to be had. In which case it really IS for the love of the game.
 
John Barton said:
It's a world championship played for the love of the game. All the participants are past world champions or champions of some kind. I mean they are all qualified to be there, I mean they had to qualify to be there didn't they?

Or maybe there ain't no cheese to be had. In which case it really IS for the love of the game.
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I used to feel the same way. However, you can't live off of love, John, and there comes a time when one must make a decision whether to live like a hobo -- sleeping in a car or on the floor while sharing a room with four other pool players, eating fast-food as a daily diet, or not have two dimes to rub together to pay a doctor when you need medical attention, et cetera -- or, in the alternative, have a roof over your head and know where your next meal is coming from.

As far as qualifying, sometimes -- to me, anyway -- it looks as if some of the ones who qualify are friends of a promoter. Some of the players' names I saw at the recent BCA Open, as an example, had no business being included in the player roster, IMHO. Why should they get a free ticket to compete in the BCA Open because they are friends with a promoter or paid 100 bucks to join an organization that has no legitimate tour? Men's professional pool in the States is at an all-time low, and I can't believe it continues to roll along its merry way without anybody doing something about it. Some of these so-called pros who compete in the BCA Open couldn't even shoot their way to the top 10 in the regional tours in my area.

I am glad to see that there are tournaments for the players to compete in, but let's call a spade, a "spade," and see it for what it really is.

JMHO, FWIW!

JAM
 
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john schmidt said:
i know the world will keep spinning even though i did not go to the world ten ball in jacksonville.i feel i am playing as good as i can right now and i would have loved to go to the tourney and represent myself and the u.s. but the sole reason i could not force myself to go is the prize money is to low compared to all the great players that will be there.i figure i had to finish top ten to break even.i even had some people who were going to pay all the expenses and split what i win,but again getting half of a little is still a little.even though tourneys will probably pay nothing for the rest of my life and players will keep showing up for some reason ,myself im going to make an effort to refrain from any event where if i finish say tenth i break even.i know charlie is doing the best he can but until sponsors give him more money its financially unsound for me to come to events like this.now im sure someone is going to tell me that i knew pool paid nothing when i started but actually it paid alright when i started camel tour etc.with the cost of traveling and the fact that first place is the same or lower than 15 years ago i think i will be forced to just stay home and slowly go broke watching tv,lol.oh well maybe things will change and i can take pool serious but for now i think i will go apply at waffle house it pays about the same and i dont have to travel much.lol
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I admire and appreciate your sharing with us your thoughts.

Hopkins and Sigel made money in pool, but it wasn't competing. Here's two players who were champions and won many a tournament, but the reality is exactly what you have written as far as making ends meet.

I wish you all the very best in your future endeavors. I hope you find your niche in pool because you do have a lot to offer.

JAM
 
JAM said:
...I wish you all the very best in your future endeavors. I hope you find your niche in pool because you do have a lot to offer.
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Okay. Here I am talking to myself again! :D :o

However, as I read Schmidt's post once more, it truly makes me sad.

Here is the current U.S. Open 9-Ball Champion, and there doesn't seem to be any golden opportunities in American pool at least for a player of John's caliber. I mean, my God, if a U.S. Open 9-Ball Champion experiences difficulties in this pool world, you can just imagine how difficult it is for other professional players.

I've said it before, and I will say it again. The existing lot of professional pool players in the United States is dwindling, and if there is not any young blood to take their place, pool as we know it may never be the same. No American players? No American pool. Bye-bye, Miss American Pool Pie.

I do not know what the change agent is. I had thought the IPT offered hope. The reality, though, is that the IPT could not succeed because there is no interest in pool in America. Several multi-million-dollar tournaments came and went, and the media, thinking lawn mower races would draw more interest instead of pool, barely took notice.

Say what you want about the IPT and its founder, but the IPT and its founder did try to elevate pool. We have heard the arguments ad nauseum about its founder on this forum, and that is not the purpose of my post. Rather, it is to say that even when money -- multiple millions of dollars -- is infused in pool to try to make it a legitimate sport, there wasn't any interest in it from mainstream America.

JAM
 
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JAM said:
Okay. Here I am talking to myself again! :D :o

However, as I read Schmidt's post once more, it truly makes me sad.

Here is the current U.S. Open 9-Ball Champion, and there doesn't seem to be any golden opportunities in American pool at least for a player of John's caliber. I mean, my God, if a U.S. Open 9-Ball Champion experiences difficulties in this pool world, you can just imagine how difficult it is for other professional players.

I've said it before, and I will say it again. The existing lot of professional pool players in the United States is dwindling, and if there is not any young blood to take their place, pool as we know it may never be the same. No American players? No American pool. Bye-bye, Miss American Pool Pie.

I do not know what the change agent is. I had thought the IPT offered hope. The reality, though, is that the IPT could not succeed because there is no interest in pool in America. Several multi-million-dollar tournaments came and went, and the media, thinking lawn mower races would draw more interest instead of pool, barely took notice.

Say what you want about the IPT and its founder, but the IPT and its founder did try to elevate pool. We have heard the arguments ad nauseum about its founder on this forum, and that is not the purpose of my post. Rather, it is to say that even when money -- multiple millions of dollars -- is infused in pool to try to make it a legitimate sport, there wasn't any interest in it from mainstream America.

JAM
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I think this has been said before! Its time big business starts giving back to our sport!! Brunswick for example. How many millions of dollars per year do they make? If its a public company then that info is out there. APA and the BCA! How much money goes into those owners pockets? Millions I bet! Ask any pool room owner who makes them the most money. I bet they will say the regulars are their base but its the bangers that makes them money. That's unfortunately the way it is. Brunswick wants to sell tables to homeowners that are mostly bangers. BCA and APA are filled full of mostly bangers. Until company's can figure out a way to use professional pool players to make them more money and attract more recreational players it will remain this way!! I certainly don't want to be critical one anyone or any organization. I would just like to see a progression moving forward for professional pool. Instead of a stand still or even going backwards.
 
Overheard in Vegas;

A top ranked, well qualified, championship winning player ranting for the better part of an hour about how they refuse to play in this event, or any other DP event. Per this person, CW is pocketing $25,000 from this event.

I haven't confirmed, I just overheard it. True to their word, they are not playing in this event.
 
UrackmIcrackm said:
Overheard in Vegas;

A top ranked, well qualified, championship winning player ranting for the better part of an hour about how they refuse to play in this event, or any other DP event. Per this person, CW is pocketing $25,000 from this event.

I haven't confirmed, I just overheard it. True to their word, they are not playing in this event.
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hmmm... sounds like ES to me.
But I salute him for standing up for all his fellow players.
 
UrackmIcrackm said:
Overheard in Vegas;

A top ranked, well qualified, championship winning player ranting for the better part of an hour about how they refuse to play in this event, or any other DP event. Per this person, CW is pocketing $25,000 from this event.

I haven't confirmed, I just overheard it. True to their word, they are not playing in this event.
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Overheard in a phone conversation:

A sponsored pool player by a pool industry member was contacted by a regional tour director in reference to purchasing pool tables for a pool room, thinking buying in bulk may get him a little discount.

The sponsored pool player provided a cost proposal of the multiple pool tables for the regional tour director's perusal.

When the regional tour director contacted the sponsor directly to find out how much of a savings he would be getting with the sponsored pool player's proposal, he found out that the sponsored player jacked up the price, more than the sponsor would charge, and was, in fact, making a hefty profit.

The transaction, last I heard, never came to fruition between the regional tour director and the sponsored pool player.

JAM
 
gulfportdoc said:
This is one helluva stellar field that has assembled in Jacksonville! I can't find the money added amount anywhere. Anyone know how much dough has been put up for the contest? It always surprises me how the cheese is never mentioned in the articles on these tournaments.:rolleyes:

Doc
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http://www.pro9.co.uk/html/article.php?sid=434

Entry fee: $450 plus $50 Reg fee
96 players invitational

96 x $450.00 = $ 43,200.00 - Entry Fee

Total Purse: $55,920 with Full Field

1st $14,000 (Guaranteed $12,000)
2nd 6000
3-4th 4000
5-8th 2500
9-16th 1340
17-24 900

Total purse $55,920 ($14,000 first prize) minus $43,200 entry fees = $12,720 added money.

The standard 1/4 of the field is being payed. There is no other way to do things unless the big industry related businesses chip in more money towards Professional events, or the payouts are cut to 1/3 of the field which wouldn't be an incentive to any player when you have over 30 spectacular U.S and International players. Right now it is so difficult to come up with a winning combination on payouts, sponsorships and turnouts. Promoters just cannot keep up gobbling the unforseen set-up and all related expenses to put up tournaments. Money is needed to continue putting up events. This is a business, not a charity, although it seems we work more for charity than for profit.

This subject of discussion will never end until we walk in the shoes of those that are trying to keep pool alive.
 
John Barton said:
It's a world championship played for the love of the game. All the participants are past world champions or champions of some kind. I mean they are all qualified to be there, I mean they had to qualify to be there didn't they?

Or maybe there ain't no cheese to be had. In which case it really IS for the love of the game.
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Some are not Champions and I don't beleive there was any kind of qualifying process. I guess there isn't any real sponsors ready to step up and invest in pool. No sport can be financially sucessfull if it doesn't gain sponsorship from outside it's own base (industry) and draw a TV audience. This really means pool is a recreation activity not a sport which will draw a main stream audience and sponsorship dollars.
 
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Thanks so much for posting up this payout information, Juegabillar! :)

Whoever comes in first, second, or third/fourth will make a profit. The other players, depending on their lodging, travel, and food expenses, will be stuck.

What you state in your post makes a whole lot of sense.

The problem with American pool, the way I see it, is that there is a definite class structure being created in recent times.

The rich keep on getting richer, and some American professional players are experiencing hardships.

JAM
 
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