Predator learning curve -advice please

PoolCueSickness

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I’ve been trying to get used to playing with a predator shaft now for
Two months. And having a hard time with it. I’ve been playing pool
Now for seven years. And I’m beginning to think you just cant teach
A old dog new tricks. So what I am asking for here from you guy on
Az is, Do you have any helpful hints that will help with the transition
To using a predator shaft, And did you have similar problems. And
Did some of you just give up on predator .

Thanks for the HELP
 
I don't think anyone knows your problem. You never said, at least not in your first post. If you over cut it, hit it fatter next time. LOL

Rod
 
PoolCueSickness said:
I’ve been trying to get used to playing with a predator shaft now for
Two months. And having a hard time with it. I’ve been playing pool
Now for seven years. And I’m beginning to think you just cant teach
A old dog new tricks. So what I am asking for here from you guy on
Az is, Do you have any helpful hints that will help with the transition
To using a predator shaft, And did you have similar problems. And
Did some of you just give up on predator .

Thanks for the HELP
Two months should be plenty of time for you to adjust. I had the same problem with the Universal Smart Shaft LS.

The Universal LS is a GREAT shaft, it does what it promises, it just wasn't for me. Some night's I shot lights out but if I was tired or in a tight match, the tension would creep back in my stroke and I couldn't perform well. The benefit of low deflection did not out weigh the consistency and confidence I had already achieved with the maple shaft. Granted I couldn't devote more than a couple nights a week to playing, I never felt 100% commited to some shots. After about three months, I switched back to the hard rock maple, and the tension I had is now gone and the confidence has returned.

But nonetheless, I glad I tried it. It was an itch I had to scratch. IMO, I made the mistake of putting too much faith in the technology of the shaft and not in myself and my stroke, it threw me off track.

I'll quote John Barton from a previous thread, "If there was one shaft that was better than all others, they would only sell that one shaft."

I'm not saying don't embrace technology, look what its done for golf, just at the end of the day the best advice I could give you is be honest with yourself. Free you mind of all doubt and your stroke will follow.;)

Good luck with you game,
Mike
 
PoolCueSickness said:
I’ve been trying to get used to playing with a predator shaft now for
Two months. And having a hard time with it. I’ve been playing pool
Now for seven years. And I’m beginning to think you just cant teach
A old dog new tricks. So what I am asking for here from you guy on
Az is, Do you have any helpful hints that will help with the transition
To using a predator shaft, And did you have similar problems. And
Did some of you just give up on predator .

Thanks for the HELP

I play with a Predator 314-2 shaft and think it's terrific, and I think my game has gradually and steadily improved with it after very little initial adjustment period. However, I do know of others who never truly adapt and whose game goes downhill with one. There are some conventional shafts that are close to Predator's low squirt performance.

Maybe you should hang the Predator up for awhile and see if your game returns with your old shaft. Sometimes when our confidence goes down, our strokes go on hiatus for awhile.

Chris
 
give it time

PoolCueSickness said:
I’ve been trying to get used to playing with a predator shaft now for
Two months. And having a hard time with it. I’ve been playing pool
Now for seven years. And I’m beginning to think you just cant teach
A old dog new tricks. So what I am asking for here from you guy on
Az is, Do you have any helpful hints that will help with the transition
To using a predator shaft, And did you have similar problems. And
Did some of you just give up on predator .

Thanks for the HELP
i played with the same cue for 10 years, and it was stolen from me! so i had to find a replcement,i bought a Lambros with a 314 fit to it, and went through all the same problems for about a month, but now i've adjusted and i'm playing better and more consistant than ever! so give it some time, you'll probably love it if you stick it out for a while.....jeremy
 
I started with Predator about ten years ago. I had played for about 10 years before that with a variety of cues. When I made the switch I managed a pool room so I had a lot of time to get used to it. I found for me that I had to do a lot of drills with the shaft so I could adjust to low deflection and guage the result more accurately. I have seen a lot of players try to make the switch by racking the balls and playing the game and let's say that many find it frustrating and do not adjust nearly as fast as they should. Find a few drills that work for you. I like one where you place the cue ball in the kitchen on a fixed spot, like one diamond one diamond, and then you place the object ball in any position, like 3 diamond 2 diamond and repeated shoot that shot and vary the english to see what reaction you get.

I also found that some shots I wanted the deflection were a little harder so I learned a slow drag shot with the Predator which, because you hit it slower, obviously allows for more spin to take and I can replicate a form of deflection.

In the end you need to decide why you want to play Predator as opposed to any other shaft and stand by your decision. You won't regret it one way or another. I love my Predator but they definitely aren't for everyone.
 
I looked at the predator site on how to adjust to a predator.
Isn't this aim path and actual path backwards in this image. I would aim more inside the object ball in this shot using right english.

I just got a predator Z about 2 months ago. I was using a meucci red dot shaft that was worn down pretty thin, which I used exclusively for a few years. I have noticed quite a difference for the better though I didn't notice much lower deflection in most shots than I used to have. Not sure, maybe I should try the old red dot shaft now and see if I see a huge difference in deflection. I was used to this shaft immediately. The first time I used it I ran several 8 and 9 ball racks that night.

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PoolCueSickness said:
I’ve been trying to get used to playing with a predator shaft now for
Two months. And having a hard time with it. I’ve been playing pool
Now for seven years. And I’m beginning to think you just cant teach
A old dog new tricks. So what I am asking for here from you guy on
Az is, Do you have any helpful hints that will help with the transition
To using a predator shaft, And did you have similar problems. And
Did some of you just give up on predator .

Thanks for the HELP


Give me your cue. I'll let you know what's wrong with it.
 
instroke75 said:
i played with the same cue for 10 years, and it was stolen from me! so i had to find a replcement,i bought a Lambros with a 314 fit to it, and went through all the same problems for about a month, but now i've adjusted and i'm playing better and more consistant than ever! so give it some time, you'll probably love it if you stick it out for a while.....jeremy

How did you get the 314 to fit the ultra-joint? Lambros won't make 314 blanks for his cues. I heard it could ruin the join. Your thoughts?
 
PoolCueSickness said:
... Do you have any helpful hints that will help with the transition to using a predator shaft...
In your practice sessions, play lots of shots with side spin. A little spin. A lot of spin. Side spin with draw. Side spin with follow. Different speeds. Different amounts of cut.

In competition, note which side spin shots you have trouble with. Work on those shots on the practice table.
 
Predator shafts

I tried a predator shaft a couple of years ago and I gave up on it. I just didn't understand how to aim with the shaft on cut shots with english. I have a friend who talked me into trying them again and I gave predator shafts another shot and this time I worked at it and I think my game is better than it's ever been using my 314 shafts with Moori Slow tips.
 
wseyller said:
I looked at the predator site on how to adjust to a predator.
Isn't this aim path and actual path backwards in this image. I would aim more inside the object ball in this shot using right english.

tip_adjust.gif

the diagram is correct , if using outside english , in this case right english , the cb will deflect inside , so you need to adjust for deflection outside the object ball , not inside the object ball , if using inside english you need to aim inside the object ball.
 
I just use whatever english I think that I need for the position I want, then just aim for whatever hit on the object ball I think I need to pocket the shot. Other than that I don't really know what to say, I don't think that I'm doing anything really special. Just keep working at it.

Black Cat :cool:
 
Cue Freak said:
I agree! I love my OB-1, and it took no time to adjust to it for me.
Just curious. If it took no time to adjust to it - were there any adjustments to make? What is it that makes it better?

Thanks,

BVal
 
BVal said:
Just curious. If it took no time to adjust to it - were there any adjustments to make? What is it that makes it better?

Thanks,

BVal

My apologies, my 'no time' was about a week, if that. You don't need to put as much english on the cue ball, therefore, you don't have to compensate as much for the deflection. But you can put a lot of spin on the ball and still not have to compensate that much.

Matt
 
Cue Freak said:
My apologies, my 'no time' was about a week, if that. You don't need to put as much english on the cue ball, therefore, you don't have to compensate as much for the deflection. But you can put a lot of spin on the ball and still not have to compensate that much.

Matt
No need to apologize - I was just curious. I have heard a lot about the OB-1 and just trying to learn more.

Thanks,

BVal
 
PoolCueSickness said:
I’ve been trying to get used to playing with a predator shaft now for
Two months.

PCS,
You neglect to mention what your level of play is. I can only assume that you are having trouble with inside and outside English (since on center ball shots it is your stroke, NOT the cue that makes the difference).

There are many threads on this matter; I will add some links to the end of this post in a little while.

Here is what it takes develop a passing proficiency with inside and outside English; I copied from a previous thread. My comments on adjustments work the same with Predator and OB-1 shafts. I have only ever played with these 2 shafts, and I find no difference in deflection between them.


"I'm not a world-beater, but if someone had explained this to me 35 years ago I would be giving Efren the 7. If you want to master English (and you MUST if you want to be a top player), then you have to practice extensively until it becomes natural. My practice routine below is how I learned, takes 3-6 months. The only type of English I use is parallel English (with some exceptions I won't go into here) - where the cue is always parallel to the intended line of travel of the cue ball.

Set up an object ball about 2 feet from a corner pocket. Set up the cue ball about 2 feet away from the object ball, so that you have a cut shot. Now shoot the shot 5 times at a slow to medium speed with a small amount of inside English, and 5 times with outside English. Then shoot 5 times with a hard hit with inside, and 5 hard hits with outside. Do this at about a 20 degree cut angle, then a 45 degree cut angle, then a 65 degree cut angle. Do these shots every day for 2-3 months and you will be tremendously improved.

What you will find is that when you aim the cue ball, you will then move your body and cue an inch or so to the right or left so that the cue is parallel to your initial setup. When you stroke the cue ball with right English, it will initially: squirt to the left, then curve to the right, then "throw" the object ball to the left. The harder you hit the cueball, the more it squirts, the less it curves, and the less it throws the object ball. The further you cue towards the edge of the cue ball, the more it squirts, the more it curves, and the more it throws. The softer you hit the cue ball, the less it squirts, the more it curves, and the more it throws the object ball. The fuller the cue ball contacts the object ball the more throw occurs; the thinner the cue ball cuts the object ball the less throw occurs.

Knowing these principles, you will gradually be able to adjust your aim to allow for these factors, and to allow for the deflection characteristics of your cue (cues DIFFER from one another).

For me, with a low deflection Predator or OB-1 shaft, here is the way I end up aiming:

With mild and moderate inside English and a soft to medium hit, I aim to allow 1" of squirt (in other words, I aim using center ball along a path one inch to the left or right of the path I would normally use to pocket the ball, then additionally move a little to the left or right of the center of the cue ball to move the cue parallel to this new path) and hit just hard enough that the curve of the cueball does not occur. With very heavy inside English I allow for about 2" of squirt (a little more if I'm hitting it very hard).

With outside English, there is much less difficulty because the squirt and throw tend to cancel each other out, as long as you hit hard enough to avoid cue ball curve. At soft speeds, the throw of the object ball is much more pronounced. Therefore at any medium to firm speed, my aim when using outside English is EXACTLY THE SAME as with no English at all (in other words the cue is parallel to the path I would use with no English, just a little to the left or a little to the right) - no matter how far from the center of the cue ball I choose to cue. If I am going to hit the shot slow with outside, I allow for a fuller hit, because the throw of the object ball is very pronounced. If you are trying to hit an outside English shot brutally hard, then allow for some squirt; and aim a little thinner."

I hope this saves you a bit of time.
 
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