Price drop on cues is a bad thing

With so much information flying around on AZ and other forums, I think it make the online cues sales a little tougher. When online is tough, selling locally is so much better. If you can't your cues on Ebay or AZ...try selling them at your local poolhall(s) or tournament. The online community has too many knowledgeable buyers and sellers that they all need to buy right or they won't buy at all (Sell right or don't sell at all).

Stuff you can't move here, will move so much better locally. I think same goes for buying locally...just gotta know your cues.

Regards,
Duc.
 
Cuemaster98 said:
The online community has too many knowledgeable buyers and sellers that they all need to buy right or they won't buy at all (Sell right or don't sell at all).

Stuff you can't move here, will move so much better locally. I think same goes for buying locally...just gotta know your cues.

Regards,
Duc.

So what you're saying if I read this correctly is:

If you want to make a great gross profit, find a local dumb azz :confused: :eek: :cool:
 
asiasdad said:
So what you're saying if I read this correctly is:

If you want to make a great gross profit, find a local dumb azz :confused: :eek: :cool:

Yep, that's pretty much it. Although it can go the other way real quick too. The local market, not having any clue, may not be willing to pay what the cue is priced at. The local buyer can jump on the net and check prices in 30 minutes or so, or worst the local buyer gets ripped a new one by a local seller who took advantage of his/her ignorance and it's instant reputation death.

Plus also the fact that most trunkers aren't welcome in poolrooms where the poolroom also sells cues. At least in my experience they weren't unless they either cleared it with the room owner or kept it quiet.

I think the person who said that the market is still good in the $3500 and up segment is probably right. It seems as if people with lots of money enjoy collecting and buying what they want when they want it.

Cue Flippers probably have it the hardest as the margins are thin due to the saturated market and educated buyers.

Valley Forge this year should be an interesting sign of what the rest of the year might bring.
 
I think

I think if you have the right cues to sell, the market is as good as in the past. It is just like the market of the past, it is fickle...it wants what it wants, when it wants it. It simply depends if you have the product that people want to buy at the time.

I am truly disappointed in the current state of the world of pool and custom cue market. I think it is a bit skewed. Cues are meant to be played, as cars are meant to be driven (to build on Bills analogy :-) ); these toys are only on loan to us for a while then we are gone. So enjoy what you have, life is short.

I think we as a culture need to get back to the basics, our philosophy and mission is definitely in the wrong direction.
 
So what you're saying if I read this correctly is:

If you want to make a great gross profit, find a local dumb azz


I don't know about a great gross profit or (buyer been a dumb azz) but definitely an easy sell and generally better profit. The buyer has a chance to test the cue before they buy and these buyers are not always as concerned with resale value.

Instead of them buying a new predator at $1100, they can get it for $800 where as you'll be hard press to get $650-700 for it online. My point is...there are better channels to sell your cues... just look around locally. You'll find that the market in your area may be much better then online.

Ebay and AZ is great only if you have what people want....Timing is probably the key. Schon and Predators are the best cues to sell locally in my area. So, go out and do some research in your area and find out what people want. It's a great hobby.

Regards,
Duc.
 
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paulybatz said:
I think if you have the right cues to sell, the market is as good as in the past. It is just like the market of the past, it is fickle...it wants what it wants, when it wants it. ....

I agree with it a being fickle market. It wasn't that long ago when a Southwest 6 pointer with 2 or 3 veneers could be had for $1300 and then all of the sudden everybody started selling off new Southwests on eBay and touting the long wait for one and the price climbed into the mid and high 2K range and now is receding back down to the high $1K range which is still higher than they were going for in 1999.

As one that was blown out from high paying telecom market in the 2001 telecom bust, I know personally what it feels like to sell off a $30K collection of cues just to pay the mortgage and car payments and go all the way down to playing with a $125 custom made by an unknown wannabe selling on eBay to get his name out. That $125 Sleeper Keeper isn't perefectly straight any more, but it plays better and has won more money on the table for me than my previous $2500 fancy Dishaw, Motteys, or Rundes ever did. So, my tastes changed over the years to redefine a cue as a tool like a golf club that I judge first by the feel, balance, hit, and feedback and if it meets those criteria respectably, then I consider it's looks.

I think more people are beginning to shift their eyes for cues in this direction as well, which explains why a Zylr or Sugartree seems to command so much more for a Plain Jane while other fancier cues languish at lower price. People want a cue has some magical quality in it's playability first and foremost.

IMO, historically the chase forBalaushka cues was the beginning of the cue collecting rage by people who had never even seen one, but saw how a $400 cue could move in 20 years to be worth $5000, then $8000 and on up the ladder to where it is today hitting high teens and low 20's. Then, Southwests became the holy grail of "Hit" and see how that progressed. Now, for a large number of player/collectors. "Hit" is the mark a person checks when you first hand them a cue to look at. It is kind of like asking a gun enthusiast "If you only were allowed to have one firearm, what would it be?" Those in the higher income brackets would likely answer something like a Holland & Holland shotgun for it's refinement and collectible value, while others in the middle to lower income brackets would answer a Ruger 10-22 or a 22 pistol, because ammo is cheap, it is quieter, easier to shoot accurately, and you can carry way more ammo than for any other firearm. A .22 is very utilitarian and can even be used to rob the upper income bracket of their Holland and Hollands, or get a bigger gun if needed. I once knew a cop who instead of carrying an assualt rifle in the trunk of his patrol car, he carried about 10 fully loaded tube fed 22 rifles. His said in a firefight, he would still be shooting while everyone else was reloading. :D:D

Try selling a cue in the local pool rooms these days and most brush you off quickly that they are happy with their McDermott, Joss, or Lucasi.
 
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A price drop on cue prices is not a "bad thing". The price drop you are talking about goes something like this (I'll make it simple) ~ Price of a name cue in 1999 = $800, 2000 = $1,000, etc until 2007 cue price is $2,200 and up. 2008, the price of the same cue is adjusted to $1,500. Is that a real price drop or is it adjusting to what it should have been b4 we had a heated market and the sellers took advantage of the price escalation and probably helped to spur prices even higher by ploying the cue buying public with - you can't buy this cue from the maker unless you are willing to wait 3 years etc. etc. Now the prices are more in the realistic price range and the sellers are complaining.

Nothing to complain about. The retail seller can't get the big bucks they once did. What happens now? The retailer will go to the wholesaler and ask for lower prices b/c or the lack of interest of the buyer to pay $2,200. The wholesaler goes to the maker and repeats the same scenario. Maker also drops prices. This is the way the market is supposed to work.

For those that think they can "hold onto" the cue and refuse to sell for less that those good ole day prices is in for a surprise. You will most likely hold those cues for a few years to come. What happens to the capital you have wrapped up in these cues? The capital just sits earning nothing. Now go back through the supply chain and requesting reductions and you will soon see the supply chain reduce prices.

It appears that some people got caught in their own price increases and were willing to pay more and more to the cue makers. Now they must sell off inventory for less profit than they had wished to get and they are getting defensive about it. Too bad. What about the guys and gals that overpaid for the cues you sold them during the gold rush, what happens to them? I would guess that the sellers response is basically "too bad". This is the way things go. Well, this is also the way things go for the seller at this time also.

Does the above info. remind you of the housing market? Well it can happen in any market especially when you are dealing in a product that is mostly bought with disposable income and not in ANY way a necessity. Now the cue buying public has less and less disposable income. Even those who are earnest about buying the cue of their dreams will have a tougher time saving and the saving time will be much longer to acheive this goal.
 
Excellent thread and very interesting approaches from many fellow azers. I will take myself for example. I have enough spare money (now :) ) to spend on my beloved hobby which is pool. I could be a collector if i wanted to. But, i am interested on the game. I made my theoretical research for over a year (practically is kinda difficult as i live in Greece) and i decided to get a Capone as player and a Gilbert as j/b. My first attempt though was a matched set of arnot and 2nd a vhante one (fillipino one). Unsuccesful. I just got lucky in the 3rd attempt. I see no reason to change them since they do what i "ask" for. Maybe in the future i might be interested of buying couple of players for friends. Once again great thread Lee
 
I'll speak only for myself. I'm retired and on a fixed income and therefore can't afford to spend a bunch on a cue. I have bought three cues via the internet and all three were disasters. The first was warped, the second was warped and the butt spins 360 degrees and the third transaction got so messed up that I just wrote off $50 I sent for a down payment and let them keep the cue. It's a combination of the economy and people having been burned with internet deals before.

I play with a Schon that I was able to hold it in my hands and play with before I bought it.
 
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