My brain is hemorhagoring. Who's winning?
Proposed TAR - TOI VS NO AIMING SYSTEM
- Thread starter HawaiianEye
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So far we have several stories of "9 Ball players" beating up on "One Pocket players" so my guess is that round 2 is going to CJ. SJD tag teamed in Jay for a while and CJ countered with never heard of ya and never seen you play.....and a video of him running 29 balls in one hole. Also it could be said that CJ was the better game-maker having giving up 15-5 to Amarillo Slim and taking down 30k while SJD gave up more weight and won less from the same guy.
And on the Chris/CJ fantasy match CJ was very clear about saying no one is barred to come to him and play for $100 a game 9 ball roll out. That's about $100 every five minutes so not a bad amount to play for. Jay countered with offering up Dennis or Carlo for a minimum 10k because traveling is expensive these days and you have to play for 10k to have any chance to make the Waffle House nut.
CJ said repeatedly that he is involved in building ANOTHER big poolroom so he doesn't have time or desire to travel for a gambling match. But, no one is barred from coming to Dallas/Ft. Worth to play some. I take that to mean NO ONE.
And CJ said he would play SJD acolyte Lou even one hole using a jump cue.
I score round two to CJ.
29 in a row is better....much, much, better.'The TOI Game is the Teacher'
See 29 Balls in a ROW Pocketed in ONE POCKET <------CLICK THIS LINK
Couldn't get your link to work, so here is a repost of it. Hope this one works.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=55wfzEVJVvo
I just love how he calls them 4" pockets. Like no one would notice that they are actually 4 1/2".
I just love how he calls them 4" pockets. Like no one would notice that they are actually 4 1/2".
Can anyone else here post a video of themselves running 29 balls into one pocket of any size like this?
I could post a video running 2.9
Can anyone else here post a video of themselves running 29 balls into one pocket of any size like this?
I could post a video running 2.9
LMFAO! I agree! I think the majority of people couldn't run 29 balls into their corner pocket even if the end rail was missing.
shot as many ball away from their pocket and towards their pocket
That's right, One Pocket is more exciting when played like that....unfortunately many players want to take no chances and bore you out of your money. I'd say about 50% of all shots playing one pocket (when not running out) are pretty simple to execute and even most intermediate players could accomplish the task.....not so in "2 Shot" 9 Ball.
Many of the great "old time" one pocket players shot as many ball away from their pocket and towards their pocket. Then they'd run 4 or 5 balls and freeze you to the stack.....the hardest part of playing that game is staying awake.
That's right, One Pocket is more exciting when played like that....unfortunately many players want to take no chances and bore you out of your money. I'd say about 50% of all shots playing one pocket (when not running out) are pretty simple to execute and even most intermediate players could accomplish the task.....not so in "2 Shot" 9 Ball.
Many of the great "old time" one pocket players shot as many ball away from their pocket and towards their pocket. Then they'd run 4 or 5 balls and freeze you to the stack.....the hardest part of playing that game is staying awake.
Actually I stated "they're a "hair" over 4" pockets".
Technically you're wrong in making that statement.
I stated "they're just a "hair" over 4" pockets"......in case you didn't "real eyes" it, and it's stated clearly.....you can argue how wide a "hair" is, but then you'd be taking the position that I was being literal - and with the ruler plainly visible it's clearly a figure of speech ie: "The football team was a "hair" from making a first down on that play"......'The Game is the Teacher'.....but just by a "hair".
CLICK PICTURE TO SEE POCKETS THAT ARE A HAIR OVER 4"
I just love how he calls them 4" pockets. Like no one would notice that they are actually 4 1/2".
Technically you're wrong in making that statement.
I stated "they're just a "hair" over 4" pockets"......in case you didn't "real eyes" it, and it's stated clearly.....you can argue how wide a "hair" is, but then you'd be taking the position that I was being literal - and with the ruler plainly visible it's clearly a figure of speech ie: "The football team was a "hair" from making a first down on that play"......'The Game is the Teacher'.....but just by a "hair".
CLICK PICTURE TO SEE POCKETS THAT ARE A HAIR OVER 4"
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That's right, One Pocket is more exciting when played like that....unfortunately many players want to take no chances and bore you out of your money. I'd say about 50% of all shots playing one pocket (when not running out) are pretty simple to execute and even most intermediate players could accomplish the task.....not so in "2 Shot" 9 Ball.
Many of the great "old time" one pocket players shot as many ball away from their pocket and towards their pocket. Then they'd run 4 or 5 balls and freeze you to the stack.....the hardest part of playing that game is staying awake.
I'll agree to the bolded. It's one of the reasons one pocket is one of the easiest game to hide your true speed. The hard part is knowing what shot to shoot. Sometimes it's obvious, and sometimes it's not so obvious.
Pretty much all of the top rotation players these days have a very strong agressive game. A threat to run 8 and out anytime you leave them an opening. But I'd say only a handful of them are actually great one pocket players. Players that can be a threat, but also move extremely well. Those are the type of players that get the cash.
over time the game will get tougher and tougher for them to win.
Yes, that's what is most challenging to me about the game, reading the table. Since I started playing later in life it's not natural to me so it takes about 3 weeks before I can play the top players close to even......and honestly I'd still take weight from the very best, but they would need to be careful because over time the game will get tougher and tougher for them to win.
My game will have quite a bit of "room for improvement" and there's probably won't....they already read the table well and execute the little "one pocket shots" accurately and confidently.
Yes, that's what is most challenging to me about the game, reading the table. Since I started playing later in life it's not natural to me so it takes about 3 weeks before I can play the top players close to even......and honestly I'd still take weight from the very best, but they would need to be careful because over time the game will get tougher and tougher for them to win.
My game will have quite a bit of "room for improvement" and there's probably won't....they already read the table well and execute the little "one pocket shots" accurately and confidently.
Yeah and your use of red font really added a lot to the discussion as well. Thanks for the very informative reply.
All of this talk about strategically complex and physically challenging games is getting me excited for some more Bonusball.
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I just got this email sent to me from the "MAN CLUB" .....I didn't know "The MAN" club even existed anymore, I thought it went out in the 90s.
We regret to inform you that your apology will NOT be accepted and you are ordered to return the other "player's" toys immediately. Upon completing this task you are now required to ask John Barton's permission to make any more posts on this thread.....only upon John's approval will your input be taking seriously. And please quit using the phrase "I got sucked in", it's embarrassing.
Thanks for your cooperation in this sensitive matter. :thumbup:
Sincerely,
The M.A.N. Club
(Men Against Nits)
I just got this email sent to me from the "MAN CLUB" .....I didn't know "The MAN" club even existed anymore, I thought it went out in the 90s.
We regret to inform you that your apology will NOT be accepted and you are ordered to return the other "player's" toys immediately. Upon completing this task you are now required to ask John Barton's permission to make any more posts on this thread.....only upon John's approval will your input be taking seriously. And please quit using the phrase "I got sucked in", it's embarrassing.
Thanks for your cooperation in this sensitive matter. :thumbup:
Sincerely,
The M.A.N. Club
(Men Against Nits)
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OK folks...looks like CJ can't get a match with Bartram, so how about CJ playing Dennis Hatch the same game?
Dennis has been around a long time and probably has played a few games of two-shot push 9-ball.
Anybody think he has a greater or lesser chance of beating CJ than Bartram?
I don't know how CJ is playing these days, but I got confidence he can rise to the occasion if he puts his mind to it and puts in the practice time.
Dennis has been around a long time and probably has played a few games of two-shot push 9-ball.
Anybody think he has a greater or lesser chance of beating CJ than Bartram?
I don't know how CJ is playing these days, but I got confidence he can rise to the occasion if he puts his mind to it and puts in the practice time.
Dennis, in my opinion, (and JA's) is one of the best money players on the planet.
Dennis and I have played on many occasions and like I said "anyone can come to Ft. Worth and play for $20 to $100 a game....I like to play and will probably start out loser, but over time they will know why "I'm the one their backers warned them about".
Dennis, in my opinion, (and JA's) is one of the best money players on the planet (Rodney Morris is too)....he just doesn't play as much as many of the others because he has another job most of the time.....Shane's even the underdog playing 'Two Shot Shoot Out' 9 Ball against Dennis. imho
Dennis and I have played on many occasions and like I said "anyone can come to Ft. Worth and play for $20 to $100 a game....I like to play and will probably start out loser, but over time they will know why "I'm the one their backers warned them about".
Dennis, in my opinion, (and JA's) is one of the best money players on the planet (Rodney Morris is too)....he just doesn't play as much as many of the others because he has another job most of the time.....Shane's even the underdog playing 'Two Shot Shoot Out' 9 Ball against Dennis. imho
Dennis and I have played on many occasions and like I said "anyone can come to Ft. Worth and play for $20 to $100 a game....I like to play and will probably start out loser, but over time they will know why "I'm the one their backers warned them about".
Dennis, in my opinion, (and JA's) is one of the best money players on the planet (Rodney Morris is too)....he just doesn't play as much as many of the others because he has another job most of the time.....Shane's even the underdog playing 'Two Shot Shoot Out' 9 Ball against Dennis. imho
You just took the words out of my mouth...I was debating myself whether to propose Dennis Hatch or Rodney Morris.
I think either of them have an equal or better chance playing today's "Top Guns" if they are playing two-shot push out.
place it anywhere and act like running the balls is a great accomplishment.
Yes, it's more how pool is supposed to be played where you learn to exploit your opponents weaknesses.
This is done over a period of "sparring" much like boxing. Once I determine which way the players weaknesses are (cutting or banking balls) I change my game and conform to taking "dead aim" on torturing them.
It's totally different than one foul where you either try to run out or hook the guy to get "ball in hand".
Then when they pick up the ball and place it anywhere and act like running the balls is a great accomplishment... it's not, and it's equally boring to watch.
'The Game is the Teacher'
Yes, it's more how pool is supposed to be played where you learn to exploit your opponents weaknesses.
This is done over a period of "sparring" much like boxing. Once I determine which way the players weaknesses are (cutting or banking balls) I change my game and conform to taking "dead aim" on torturing them.
It's totally different than one foul where you either try to run out or hook the guy to get "ball in hand".
Then when they pick up the ball and place it anywhere and act like running the balls is a great accomplishment... it's not, and it's equally boring to watch.
'The Game is the Teacher'
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Rodney, Dennis and Johnny all have my respect.
They both play a ball better than Chris I would guess. I'm sure Chris is a very good player, but there's something about playing Rodney or Dennis that's different....I can't put my finger on it, but I don't feel the same thing from many other players.
I've played Rodney for a lot of money before and was extremely fortunate to get out with the "W" (I ran 17 racks in 3 or four innings on tough gold crowns)......I know who to respect in my "area of expertise" and Rodney, Dennis and Johnny all have my respect.
They both play a ball better than Chris I would guess. I'm sure Chris is a very good player, but there's something about playing Rodney or Dennis that's different....I can't put my finger on it, but I don't feel the same thing from many other players.
I've played Rodney for a lot of money before and was extremely fortunate to get out with the "W" (I ran 17 racks in 3 or four innings on tough gold crowns)......I know who to respect in my "area of expertise" and Rodney, Dennis and Johnny all have my respect.
Your sure Chris is a very good player
Not sure why but that's a funny line
1 man and no aiming system
I'm not sure it's funny...I'm sure it's true.
That is why I suggested the matchup in the first place.