Pro's that use a Natural Shaft
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I was chatting to a guy who just went to a tournament in Malaysia which was won by Ko Pin-Yi. He said he spoke to the Taiwanese coaches and the first thing they ask new players wishing to be coached is whether they use LD shafts such as Predator. If so, then they say get rid of the cue and they will find a suitable custom cue to use. I understand they mainly use South West and Tad's etc which use full maple shafts and are more consistent. In terms of snooker shafts, I used to practice in the same club as Judd Trump which had a lot of pro's and have never seen an LD snooker shaft. If they exist I don't think they would make the game any easier to knock in hundred breaks, that just comes with hundreds of hrs of practice.
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I know ronnie alcano also uses a natural shaft. I also know alot of pros prefer natural shafts but only use LD for the sponsorship
Why do you want to know? So you can use what they use lol? Use what makes your hands and eyes happy hamma fist
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Honestly I hate LD shafts. I also don't understand some guys i've seen that get a SW or BB cue and switch their amazing shafts for LD shafts. I guess I can understand if you're a tournament player, and even then with enough practice you will master the deflection and be more consistent than a LD. Definitely don't like LD if playing recreationally, since the hit on almost every LD feels soul-less to me.
Natural may mean non-LD or LD.
By natural I suppose he means versus spliced?
It seems when people have this conversation they mix up the terms and assume natural (meaning one piece of maple) means non-LD.
Pleanty of natural LD shafts out there.
But to the point. I have no Idea what pros might be using non-spliced, one piece, shafts.
I do wonder...people often seems so concerned with what the pros use. As an idle curiosity I do understand. But people seem to think it has something to do with what they themselves should be using. I think it has much less to do with that.
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By natural I suppose he means versus spliced?
It seems when people have this conversation they mix up the terms and assume natural (meaning one piece of maple) means non-LD.
Pleanty of natural LD shafts out there.
But to the point. I have no Idea what pros might be using non-spliced, one piece, shafts.
I do wonder...people often seems so concerned with what the pros use. As an idle curiosity I do understand. But people seem to think it has something to do with what they themselves should be using. I think it has much less to do with that.
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Let's not have this thread drift into "how I hate LD shafts", please!
I have not seen a laminated Snooker "shaft" yet.
But there are cue builders that do specially crafted Snooker "shafts" to even have less deflection. They go as low as 8mm (9mm is the "standard").
https://www.acuerate.be/technology/
Martin Welk (The english page is empty, the German is already filled with infos)
http://www.martin-welk-cues.de/index.php/en/oberteile/master-ld-snooker
BTW, it's not really the taper per se but that they have much less mass (no huge hunk of plastic, very small ferrule, very small tip with slim as in low height leather tip) and due to the smaller diameter are more flexible.
Essentially what the Pool guys have just recently figured out
Again, LD is not about the lamination.
Cheers,
M (who plays a Snooker/Pool bastard cue)
I have not seen a laminated Snooker "shaft" yet.
But there are cue builders that do specially crafted Snooker "shafts" to even have less deflection. They go as low as 8mm (9mm is the "standard").
https://www.acuerate.be/technology/
Martin Welk (The english page is empty, the German is already filled with infos)
http://www.martin-welk-cues.de/index.php/en/oberteile/master-ld-snooker
BTW, it's not really the taper per se but that they have much less mass (no huge hunk of plastic, very small ferrule, very small tip with slim as in low height leather tip) and due to the smaller diameter are more flexible.
Essentially what the Pool guys have just recently figured out
Again, LD is not about the lamination.
Cheers,
M (who plays a Snooker/Pool bastard cue)
lol, so much wrong on this thread
there are laminated snooker shafts, mezz makes one at the moment, so does riley, custom guys do too like kevin deroo, even pred had one at one point
traditional snooker cues also have heavier end mass due to brass ferrules so no they are not typically considered ld even when compared to say a pro taper shaft with plastic ferule, end mass still trumps
there are laminated snooker shafts, mezz makes one at the moment, so does riley, custom guys do too like kevin deroo, even pred had one at one point
traditional snooker cues also have heavier end mass due to brass ferrules so no they are not typically considered ld even when compared to say a pro taper shaft with plastic ferule, end mass still trumps
I have a Riley laminated snooker shaft. It has a thin walled steel ferrule rather than brass so it is LD by comparison. Sounds different on the hit but plays well. Almost all snooker pros use a traditional ash cue though. In the pool world plenty of pros play with non-LD.
I think in the cream of the crop you see slightly fewer OB and Predator shooters than in the broader tournament field but I caution you that aside from the fact some people like the feel of a traditional shaft, these players are, after all, playing with the cue their sponsor makes. The top pros can't all be sponsored by OB and Predator. Note also that some popular traditional 'non-LD' shafts still are lower deflection than standard because of their taper. Meucci comes to mind. Lots of pros play Meucci. Mezz also makes non-laminated solid maple LD shafts that feel a lot like traditional shafts. You see a lot of WX700 and a few WX900s.
I think in the cream of the crop you see slightly fewer OB and Predator shooters than in the broader tournament field but I caution you that aside from the fact some people like the feel of a traditional shaft, these players are, after all, playing with the cue their sponsor makes. The top pros can't all be sponsored by OB and Predator. Note also that some popular traditional 'non-LD' shafts still are lower deflection than standard because of their taper. Meucci comes to mind. Lots of pros play Meucci. Mezz also makes non-laminated solid maple LD shafts that feel a lot like traditional shafts. You see a lot of WX700 and a few WX900s.
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This is the exact opposite of the facts.
Snooker shafts are heavy and have a lot of end mass.
They definitely deflect the cue ball quite a bit.
Matter of fact I've shot the same shot, as close as I can get, many times
with a solid maple shaft and then with a snooker cue and on every shot
the snooker cue deflected much more than the regular solid maple shaft did.
I believe Peradon make a laminated snooker cue.
It has a Maple & Walnut laminated shaft.
http://www.peradon.co.uk/peradon-cues-extensions/34-jointed-snooker-cues/newbury-(s1420).aspx
It has a Maple & Walnut laminated shaft.
http://www.peradon.co.uk/peradon-cues-extensions/34-jointed-snooker-cues/newbury-(s1420).aspx
The much shorter and way thinner walled brass ferrule causes more squirt than a normal pool shaft? Hmm never had that occur to myself personally
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lmfao
if you've used a traditional snooker cue then you've experienced it's ld properties
Not all snooker shafts are brass feruled. I have 3 snooker shafts all of which are black phenolic. I find them to play better for myself. 9.5mm, 9.8mm and 10mm and all are ash. A nicely tight grained ash shaft with the right geometry can be very low squirt. As an experiment I took a Pred-Z shaft and had my cue makes retaper and apply conventional tenon type short black ferule. Played ok and squirts just a hair more than my other conventional shafts. The right materials, taper and ferule and you can get great performance without suffering in hit quality.
For those who are not aware the brass ferrule on most snooker cues is a ring not a capped style in most cases to keep the end from splitting. Snooker balls are lighter and thus inherently will squirt more (and of coarse the distances and cloth is different which further adds to this effect).
For those who are not aware the brass ferrule on most snooker cues is a ring not a capped style in most cases to keep the end from splitting. Snooker balls are lighter and thus inherently will squirt more (and of coarse the distances and cloth is different which further adds to this effect).
